Merrill sensored cameras ARE 30MP luminance equivalents to 30MP cameras!

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Roland Karlsson Forum Pro • Posts: 25,200
Re: Not really possible

Kendall Helmstetter Gelner wrote:

ilsiu wrote:

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I think your point #4 is a very good reason why we won't see this happening. To compete in this space, more than top level IQ is needed. Competitors offer features like in body stabilization, advanced live view, lightning quick CDAF and I don't think Sigma has demonstrated a body with any of those features (please correct me if that's not the case). And if Sigma can't do this for less than ~$1000 I don't think they'll be competitive.

Exactly, Sigma cannot yet produce a camera to compete in that space at the price required, especially not when people are still thinking in terms of bayer MP.

MP?

How was that relevant?

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jcollier
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Re: Merrill sensored cameras ARE 30MP luminance equivalents to 30MP cameras!

Facts have always been very confusing to the uninformed.

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xpatUSA Senior Member • Posts: 8,102
Re: Not really possible

Roland Karlsson wrote:

Kendall Helmstetter Gelner wrote:

ilsiu wrote:

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I think your point #4 is a very good reason why we won't see this happening. To compete in this space, more than top level IQ is needed. Competitors offer features like in body stabilization, advanced live view, lightning quick CDAF and I don't think Sigma has demonstrated a body with any of those features (please correct me if that's not the case). And if Sigma can't do this for less than ~$1000 I don't think they'll be competitive.

Exactly, Sigma cannot yet produce a camera to compete in that space at the price required, especially not when people are still thinking in terms of bayer MP.

MP?

How was that relevant?

Perhaps it means "Bayer MP", i.e. the count normally accepted by "most" people when comparing cameras. Ignoring color resolution of course, I mean, what would they care about that?

I bought my first Sigma (SD9) off eBay for $135 with the two DC "Macro" kit lenses and a 50mm true macro (pre-EX) and should never have sold them. I bought it to take sharp pics of watches for the web and was fully aware that it was a 3.4MP camera.

I had researched the Foveon and understood the MP issue. If I had been just "people" and buying new compared with, say, a D70 or equivalent Canon, I would never have bought the Sigma.

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DMillier Forum Pro • Posts: 19,223
Re: Not really possible

If you'd like to buy my SD9, make me an offer. Can't stand the yellow thing

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xpatUSA Senior Member • Posts: 8,102
Re: Not really possible

DMillier wrote:

If you'd like to buy my SD9, make me an offer. Can't stand the yellow thing

Thanks for your kind offer, Dave! Must decline, though . .

I sold my SD9 in a fit of pique because of trouble with reds - a little prematurely, because said reds were fixable (long story). Ended up with a Nikon D90 - I must be one of the few people on the planet to return a D90 within days of buying!

So, back to Foveon I went and the SD10 was the choice for me - anything later seems to pander to the market what with jpegs, more MP, funny batteries, etc.

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richard stone Senior Member • Posts: 1,906
Re: Merrill sensored cameras ARE 30MP luminance equivalents to 30MP cameras!

jcollier wrote:

Facts have always been very confusing to the uninformed.

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Exactly. And disturbing to their comfort as well. It's very sad.

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DMillier Forum Pro • Posts: 19,223
Re: Not really possible

Not used a Sd10 but from what I can tell, it did fix the clunky battery arrangement and the colour seems some of the most stable of all the models. The SD9 is weird. I know some people love'em but for me everything is suffused with a yellow cast you constantly have to fight.

Where it is good is for artsy type shots where you can exploit its funny colour for effect.







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SandyF Forum Pro • Posts: 14,939
Re: SD10 vs other cameras

FWIW I've always found the SD10 the most 'neutral' in color straight from the camera. Confirmed again looking through my old Death Valley photo sets.. it caught the sand color better than any other camera.

But the battery system is still not convenient and the shutter is HEAVY. Heavy adds to what I call 'wobble'' my own and camera's,  so it's hard to get no camera motion when pressing the shutter.

Add the fact that the resolution is notably less than that of the SD14/DP generation and new Merrill generation...  I simply don't use my SD10. But I'll keep it for historical purposes. Maybe I'll shoot it some this spring.... charge up those old Zukz batteries...

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