Canon 90 EX Flash for beginner to use as Master?

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DoctorPDA Regular Member • Posts: 106
Canon 90 EX Flash for beginner to use as Master?

I'm interested in the new Canon 90EX flash since my Canon T2i does not have ability to control a flash off camera, and I want to experiment with off camera flash.  Since I'm a beginner, I don't want to spend a large amount of cash (maybe ~ $500 max).

I figured I would get the Canon 90EX ($150) which I could use as a master and for fill flash.  Then I would get a 430 EX II ($250) for use off camera with an umbrella ($100) and practice with off camera flash that way.  Would this set up work?  I'd be willing to pay that much up front to experiment with flash.

Is there any reason I should look into the Canon 580 EX II ($500) or the new 600 EX-RT ($569) they both act as master on the T2i, but I still need another flash (ex. 430 EX II) for off camera, correct?, which would be too much money for me to spend....

Thanks,

Gus

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Thanasosdk Regular Member • Posts: 100
Re: Canon 90 EX Flash for beginner to use as Master?

Hi.

Mayby you should Read this tread to know more.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3240841#forum-post-42091402

in short it may be better to get the st-e2,( or cheap youngnou copy) and a 430 exII( or cheaper alternative)

another option is a flash and radio triggers.

I have the youngnou rf-603 and they are great for the price,

downside is only manualy of camera flash and no hss wireless.

Happy hunting.

Thomas

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OP DoctorPDA Regular Member • Posts: 106
Re: Canon 90 EX Flash for beginner to use as Master?

Thanasosdk wrote:

Hi.

Mayby you should Read this tread to know more.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3240841#forum-post-42091402

in short it may be better to get the st-e2,( or cheap youngnou copy) and a 430 exII( or cheaper alternative)

another option is a flash and radio triggers.

I have the youngnou rf-603 and they are great for the price,

downside is only manualy of camera flash and no hss wireless.

Happy hunting.

Thomas

Thanks, I have read that thread that was written before the 90 EX was release.  I appreciate your suggestions.

What do you think of an off-camera flash cord (ex. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/755549-REG/Vello_OCD_U33_Universal_Duo_TTL_Off_Camera.html) that is 33 feet and compatible with TTL?  I could combine it with a 430EX II?

Thanasosdk Regular Member • Posts: 100
Re: Canon 90 EX Flash for beginner to use as Master?

Don't know that exactly cord, but it is a possibiliy to do so.

Only problem might be trippin over the cord.

Upside is you have same options as when flash is mounted.

Thomas

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Re: Canon 90 EX Flash for beginner to use as Master?
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My suggestion is you use budget priced RF triggers with budget priced off-camera flash units operating in manual power mode, where you adjust the power on the flash itself.  Once you learn how to do this you can consider moving to more sophisticated flash and RF systems that let you control the off-camera flash power from the RF trigger.

My recommendation is the Yongnuo RF-603 RF triggers combined with the Neewer TT520 or the Yongnuo YN-465 and this umbrella kit from B&H.  If you get the right cable with the RF-603s then they can also act as either a remote camera trigger or as an off-camera flash trigger.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/YONGNUO-RF-603-C3-for-CANON-2-4GHz-Wireless-Remote-Flash-Trigger-Shutter-Release-/150960397944?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2325f0de78

Product Review: Neewer TT520 Speedlite Flash - Sam Rosenthal Photography | Blog:

Speedlights.net | Yongnuo YN-465 Flash Review (digital AF speedlite)

Impact Convertible 60" Umbrella UBBW60 B&H Photo Video

If you want a more sophisticated flash that can also work as an E-TTL II flash then get either the YN-468II or the YN-565EX.

Speedlights.net | Yongnuo YN-468II E-TTL Speedlite Flash “Mark 2″ (E-TTL II on-camera only)

Speedlights.net | Yongnuo YN-565 EX Flash Review (Equiv 430EX II & ETTL-II on/off-camera)

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Re: Canon 90 EX Flash for beginner to use as Master?

Sailor Blue wrote:

My suggestion is you use budget priced RF triggers with budget priced off-camera flash units operating in manual power mode, where you adjust the power on the flash itself. Once you learn how to do this you can consider moving to more sophisticated flash and RF systems that let you control the off-camera flash power from the RF trigger.

My recommendation is the Yongnuo RF-603 RF triggers combined with the Neewer TT520 or the Yongnuo YN-465 and this umbrella kit from B&H.

Thanks for the post.  I researched these a bit more, and I am attracted to the price.  Only $30 for the RF-603 trigger and maybe $70 for the flash.  Much less than the Canon, and if I don't like it, I won't feel like I wasted much money on it.

1) I looked at the review for the YN-465.  I wondered about the Guide number of 27 (vs 34 of the 430 EX II).  Is this enough "power" when flash is diffused with an umbrella or soft box?  I can get the YN-560 II for ~ $80 (http://www.amazon.com/Yongnuo-YN-560-Speedlight-Flash-Nikon/dp/B0079M711S/ref=sr_1_4?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1357440723&sr=1-4&keywords=yn-565), which seems popular.  Do you recommend this one?

2) For the Umbrella (Impact 60") that you suggested, if I get this stand (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/262758-REG/Impact_LS_6B_Light_Stand_Black.html), is that enough, if I have one of the Yongnuo flashes?  Do I need a "bracket" like this (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/656152-REG/Impact_9101880_Umbrella_Bracket_with_Adjustable.html)?

Thanks.

Sailor Blue
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Re: Canon 90 EX Flash for beginner to use as Master?

DoctorPDA wrote:

Thanks for the post. I researched these a bit more, and I am attracted to the price. Only $30 for the RF-603 trigger and maybe $70 for the flash. Much less than the Canon, and if I don't like it, I won't feel like I wasted much money on it.

1) I looked at the review for the YN-465. I wondered about the Guide number of 27 (vs 34 of the 430 EX II). Is this enough "power" when flash is diffused with an umbrella or soft box? I can get the YN-560 II for ~ $80 (http://www.amazon.com/Yongnuo-YN-560-Speedlight-Flash-Nikon/dp/B0079M711S/ref=sr_1_4?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1357440723&sr=1-4&keywords=yn-565), which seems popular. Do you recommend this one?

2) For the Umbrella (Impact 60") that you suggested, if I get this stand (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/262758-REG/Impact_LS_6B_Light_Stand_Black.html), is that enough, if I have one of the Yongnuo flashes? Do I need a "bracket" like this (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/656152-REG/Impact_9101880_Umbrella_Bracket_with_Adjustable.html)?

Thanks.

Yes, the YN-560 II is a good choice if you want a bit more power.  As to whether or not it will have enough power the answer is perhaps.

Speedlights.net | Yongnuo Speedlite YN560-II Manual Flash (new upgraded ‘mark II’ version)

Normally I would be using at studio strobe with diffusers larger than about 24" (softbox or umbrella) so that I could shoot at ISO 100 to 200.  Typical hot-shoe flash units simply don't have the power of studio strobes so you will be trading off using a higher ISO, lower cost, and greater portability for the greater power and shorter recycle times of studio strobes.

To use hot shoe flash at f/5.6 to f/8 with a 43" diffuser you will be using ISO 200 to 400.  With a 60" umbrella you will certainly be at ISO 400 to 800.  Of course you can use two flash units in the same umbrella to gain a stop of power.  With a modern DSLR the noise at ISO 800 is reasonable and can usually be taken care of in post processing.

It looks like the stand and bracket are the same ones as in this two umbrella kit.  They are fine - I have a couple of the brackets I use all the time.

Impact Digital Flash Umbrella Mount Kit DFUMK B&H Photo Video

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