TC for 70-200 VR

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avet4life Regular Member • Posts: 226
TC for 70-200 VR

Group,

What TC for the 70-200mm VR

the 1.4 , 1.7 or 2.0?

Also, is the 70-200 VRII much better than the VR.

I been reading the forum but still not fully understand.

rgolub
rgolub Senior Member • Posts: 2,061
Re: TC for 70-200 VR
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What are you going to shoot?  Always use the smallest teleconverter that you can get away with.  The higher the magnification, the more loss of light and f/stop, the harder it is for the camera to focus.  At higher magnifications, lens aberrations become more noticeable.

On the 70 - 200 (both versions), I will use a TC 1.4 with little thought and care, the 1.7 on occasion and the 2.0 under duress (Too lazy to take the 400).

I'm not terribly enamored with any of the VR systems.  The VR1 gets about 1 stop reliably (three on a hit and miss level), the VR 2 about 2 stops, more or less reliably.  I tend to go to a tripod or a modified hold but that's likely a function of what and where I shoot.  YMMV.

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avet4life OP Regular Member • Posts: 226
Re: TC for 70-200 VR

thank you .

sjprintz Regular Member • Posts: 382
Re: TC for 70-200 VR

I have the 70-200 VR as well and have tried the various TCs.  I thought the 1.4x looked very good but going from 200-280 did not seem worth the cost of the TC.   The 2.0 VIII was well reviewed withr the 70-200mm VR II so I tried it on my VR model.  I did not like the results.  I had to stop down to F8 or F11 to get a sharp image and the focus was a little slow.

I have settled on the 1.7 TC which is the best balance in my opinion - you get extra reach with good sharpness, just stop down a bit.

SJP

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Brad Davis Regular Member • Posts: 236
Re: TC for 70-200 VR

sjprintz wrote:

I have the 70-200 VR as well and have tried the various TCs. I thought the 1.4x looked very good but going from 200-280 did not seem worth the cost of the TC. The 2.0 VIII was well reviewed withr the 70-200mm VR II so I tried it on my VR model. I did not like the results. I had to stop down to F8 or F11 to get a sharp image and the focus was a little slow.

I have settled on the 1.7 TC which is the best balance in my opinion - you get extra reach with good sharpness, just stop down a bit.

SJP

This is good advice.  This past summer I rented a 2.0 for a trip to Alaska (Version II).  This was paired  with a 70-200 VRII.  I shot manual and forced F11 under some pretty tough conditions using a D7000--some results were good.  Wouldn't call them super great, but good for the conditions.



avet4life OP Regular Member • Posts: 226
Re: TC for 70-200 VR

Thank you for the advice

sjprintz wrote:

I have the 70-200 VR as well and have tried the various TCs. I thought the 1.4x looked very good but going from 200-280 did not seem worth the cost of the TC. The 2.0 VIII was well reviewed withr the 70-200mm VR II so I tried it on my VR model. I did not like the results. I had to stop down to F8 or F11 to get a sharp image and the focus was a little slow.

I have settled on the 1.7 TC which is the best balance in my opinion - you get extra reach with good sharpness, just stop down a bit.

SJP

John_I Veteran Member • Posts: 6,156
TC 2.0 III & 70-200 VR II

avet4life wrote:

Group,

What TC for the 70-200mm VR

the 1.4 , 1.7 or 2.0?

Also, is the 70-200 VRII much better than the VR.

I been reading the forum but still not fully understand.

I have used the 70-200 VR II with the TC 2.0 III mostly hand held and wide open. So far I have been impressed with the combination on the D800e.The combination allows a wide range from WA Full Frame 70mm to Cropped mode 600mm effective. I do prefer results of VR II to VR I for better results wide open and better control of vignetting.

http://jbipix.com/?s=70-200+TC

Best to try the combination from a reliable dealer who accepts returns if the combination does not meet your expectations.

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T O Shooter Senior Member • Posts: 5,128
Best combination I found - TC 2.0 III & 70-200 VR II

I agree on the 2.0III and 70-200 VRII.  I don't have a 1.7 so can't comment on that but in reality there's not a hell of a lot of point to the 1.4. And my copy of the TC 1.4II coupled with my copy of the 70-200 VR II, just doesn't give me the same IQ as without it - not even close.

70 x 1.4 =100mm ( you already have that in the 70-200 )

100 x 1.4 = 140 mm ( you already have that in the 70-200 )

150 x 1.4= 210 mm  ( you're close enough to having this )

So a 1.4 TC doesn't even come into play except from 150 to 200 mm, and I'd much prefer to switch to my 300 f4 AF-S then anyway.

Even the 2.0 III will only get used when I want to go with one body / one lens and not sure of what my lens need will be.

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virtualkyr
virtualkyr Contributing Member • Posts: 566
Re: TC for 70-200 VR

I'm not sure about the original 70-200 vr, but I know the tc20 III works great with the vr2.

i rented it a few weeks ago and was pleased with the quality on my D90.

Here's some quick shots with it showing the range. All handheld.

http://kyleroot.com/blog/?p=453

For me, when I get the money, I'm buying the combo.

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SteveL54 Senior Member • Posts: 2,669
Re: TC for 70-200 VR

avet4life wrote:

Group,

What TC for the 70-200mm VR

the 1.4 , 1.7 or 2.0?

Also, is the 70-200 VRII much better than the VR.

I been reading the forum but still not fully understand.

I've been pleased with the 70-200mm VR1 paired with the TC-20E III on a D300

In most cases my handheld technique is the limiting factor for image quality even with VR active.

Here are a couple of my better hand held shots taken of a pair of fledgling red shoulder hawks last spring.

Both taken wide open at f/5.6.

1/500s f/5.6 at 400.0mm iso400

1/250s f/5.6 at 210.0mm iso200

Steve



avet4life OP Regular Member • Posts: 226
Re: TC for 70-200 VR

The hawk look soft for even web viewing, but thank you very much for sharing

SteveL54 Senior Member • Posts: 2,669
Re: TC for 70-200 VR

avet4life wrote:

The hawk look soft for even web viewing, but thank you very much for sharing

Did you click on view original size and then expand the image?

Steve

avet4life OP Regular Member • Posts: 226
Re: TC for 70-200 VR

SteveL54 wrote:

avet4life wrote:

The hawk look soft for even web viewing, but thank you very much for sharing

Did you click on view original size and then expand the image?

Steve

sorry,

I was at work when viewing the image.

when click on view original view:

Site blocked. www.pbase.com is not allowed on company network.

This site was categorized in: Pornography

SteveL54 Senior Member • Posts: 2,669
Re: TC for 70-200 VR

You can't judge sharpness from the reduced images that show up inline with the post. It's best to view the "original" sized photos since sharpening was applied for that size.

The combination of the 70-200mm VR1 and TC-20E III won't compete with say the 200-400mm VR at f/5.6, but I wouldn't say the combo is soft. I often stop it down to f/8 when the light allows. I wish Nikon had an affordable lens with VR and AFS in the 400mm range, but they don't.

There are a few galleries in the mix on PBase considered not safe for work, but I've never personally encountered galleries that would warrant such a classification by your work's Internet filter. But then, I haven't looked around PBase all that much. I might occasionally browse through the list of most popular galleries. It's just a photo sharing site that has served my needs for several years now and at one time was among the most popular photo sharing sites used by members here on DPReview.

Steve

slimandy Forum Pro • Posts: 16,529
Re: TC for 70-200 VR

avet4life wrote:

Group,

What TC for the 70-200mm VR

the 1.4 , 1.7 or 2.0?

I hadf the 1.4x and 1.7x. I have kept the 1.4 and sold the 1.7 simply because I prefer the 1.4. It had little impact on IQ, is very small and compact and only costs me 1 stop. Obviously the 1.7 got me more reach but I rarely used it in preference to the 1.4.

I wasn't happy with the 2x but I have not used the latest version (mk III) which looks better. The price puts me off. It looks good though.

Also, is the 70-200 VRII much better than the VR.

The VR is excellent even on FX. Utimately I did upgrade because I used the MkII for landscape and preferred it. It does have more pronounced 'focus breathing' than the VR but this is partially offset but a better closest focus distance and the fact it is quite superb at close distances. Is it worth the extra? That depends on your bank balance and how understanding your wife is.

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slimandy Forum Pro • Posts: 16,529
Re: TC for 70-200 VR

avet4life wrote:

SteveL54 wrote:

avet4life wrote:

The hawk look soft for even web viewing, but thank you very much for sharing

Did you click on view original size and then expand the image?

Steve

sorry,

I was at work when viewing the image.

when click on view original view:

Site blocked. www.pbase.com is not allowed on company network.

This site was categorized in: Pornography

Fortunately I can watch as much porn as I like at work and that picture looks pretty sharp in the eyes, which it doesn't really in the smaller version. The jury's out on the bokeh though. Maybe it was a fussy BG.

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hypercore360 Contributing Member • Posts: 923
Re: TC for 70-200 VR

avet4life wrote:

Group,

What TC for the 70-200mm VR

the 1.4 , 1.7 or 2.0?

Also, is the 70-200 VRII much better than the VR.

I been reading the forum but still not fully understand.

For my needs, I have the 70-200 VR II. After reading a lot of reviews, I went with the TC2.0E-III. I am not into wildlife per se, so for me, this TC works to my satisfaction. Is it just better to have a 400mm prime? Sure.

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