What monitor to buy

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JDeKock
JDeKock New Member • Posts: 1
What monitor to buy
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I read a lot on the internet about monitors and i'm about to buy the Dell U2410.

But now i'm not sure if this is the best for me.

I edit photo's in photoshop cs6 but don't print them my self. I send the photo's to shops or to my customers. Also i publish my photo's on internet. I'm also going to buy a spyder 4 elite to calibrate the monitor.

First i was looking at the Nec PA-241W. But this cost my around 950 euro. Than someone said that i had to look at the Dell U2410 because of its price (444 euro).

Is the Nec so much better than the Dell, because it's cost twice at much.

Thanks.

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Pictus
Pictus Veteran Member • Posts: 5,739
Re: What monitor to buy
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The Nec is a Pro monitor and the Dell consumer class.

The PRO line from NEC(P/PA) , Eizo(CG/SX) and QUATO have a programmable hardware internal LUT(14 to 16 bit) and it is much better than using the graphics card LUT(8-bit).
The Dell U2410, U2711 and U3011 they got a NON programmable hardware internal LUT(12-bit)
at least it is better than nothing, but the calibration curves still in the graphics card 8-bit LUT.

LUT= LOOK-UP TABLES

The calibration in the PRO monitors do not lose tones

Do not confuse the LUT thing with the 10-bit output

First decide if need wide gamut monitor or not, check

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/42376724

and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0bxSD-Xx-Q

Then check the reviews:

TFT Central

FlatpanelsHD

PRAD and the more updated German version

In the Prad reviews pay attention to:

-The UGRA test (download the PDF)

-The panel brightness distribution

-The gamut coverage (good place to compare)

-Profile accuracy and the calibration curves, the good ones are in 45º





-The contrast is the least important as any monitor have more contrast than any paper print

-Give preference to monitors that does not use PWM

-Only choose monitors with IPS/PLS panels and avoid TN panels!

TN panels have less than 178º viewing angle

-Give preference to 8-bit or 10-bit panels and avoid 6-bit

Complementary info:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/40306131

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/42063694

Reviews for calibration devices:

http://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/Calibration/MonitorCalibrationHardware.html

http://www.gamutprints.com/2012/04/i1display-pro-vs-spyder-4-and-spyder-4-quick-review/

To calibrate a NON PRO monitor I prefer to use the FREE and super excellent Argyll + dispcalGUI

Twilight35 Senior Member • Posts: 1,023
Re: What monitor to buy

I bought a Dell U2412M three weeks ago from B+H Photo for $299.00. I do Photoshop and Gaming with it and for me it's just GREAT. Most monitors are 16x9, but htis one is 16x10. It gives you more scrolling room. Check it out.

Fred

kcbeatty Senior Member • Posts: 1,761
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I can't add anything to what pictus said. I have a Dell U2410 and have used it for almost a year. Haven't had any issues with it, I use ColorMunki Display to profile it. So far I am pleased with this monitor for my work.

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malch Forum Pro • Posts: 13,380
Re: What monitor to buy

Twilight35 wrote:

I bought a Dell U2412M three weeks ago from B+H Photo for $299.00.

Had mine for almost a year and love it.

DonA2
DonA2 Senior Member • Posts: 2,747
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malch wrote:

Twilight35 wrote:

I bought a Dell U2412M three weeks ago from B+H Photo for $299.00.

Had mine for almost a year and love it.

6 months and can't fault it.

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DVT80111 Senior Member • Posts: 2,352
I suggest this $399 27 inch LG S-IPS panel
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Pictus wrote:

The Nec is a Pro monitor and the Dell consumer class.

The PRO line from NEC(P/PA) , Eizo(CG/SX) and QUATO have a programmable hardware internal LUT(14 to 16 bit) and it is much better than using the graphics card LUT(8-bit).
The Dell U2410, U2711 and U3011 they got a NON programmable hardware internal LUT(12-bit)
at least it is better than nothing, but the calibration curves still in the graphics card 8-bit LUT.

LUT= LOOK-UP TABLES

Do you mean all graphics cards are only 8-bit? Or, some are capable of 10-bit (Quadro/FireGL)?

Pictus
Pictus Veteran Member • Posts: 5,739
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raminolta wrote:

Do you mean all graphics cards are only 8-bit? Or, some are capable of 10-bit (Quadro/FireGL)?

All are 8-bit per channel, the exception are the FirePro/Quadro details in the link http://www.imagescience.com.au/kb/questions/152/10+Bit+Output+Support

DVT80111 Senior Member • Posts: 2,352
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I remember its press-release said this monitor used 10 bit look up color table.

http://www.asus.com/Display/LCD_Monitors/PA248Q/

The 27 inch model says 12 bit color.

I contemplated buying one of them, but picked a Dell 24" IPS (refurb deal)

I cannot find any reference about the color bit anymore. Apparently it didn't help them selling product because not too many people want to pay $200-$300 for a newer graphic card.

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Re: I suggest this $399 27 inch LG S-IPS panel
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Don't get the Dell

I just posted a topic about returning a Dell U3011 which had poor color and tonal consistency. If you want a display that's very consistent over the entire display area, get a display engineered for critical use. Dell doesn't make that kind of display. NEC and Eizo do. If you choose an NEC model that's designed for color critical work, you won't regret paying more for a much better tool.

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DVT80111 Senior Member • Posts: 2,352
Re: I suggest this $399 27 inch LG S-IPS panel

No. If it is not saying IPS, it is not IPS panel. Even if it says IPS, you need to know what type.

Try this one

http://www.amazon.com/PA248Q-24-Inch-Super-IPS-Professional-Graphics/dp/B008DWH00K/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1354065140&sr=1-2&keywords=asus+IPS+panel

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Re: I suggest this $399 27 inch LG S-IPS panel

thanks, I'll check it out!

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rrrremus Regular Member • Posts: 125
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That is very informative. Thanks.

Do i need a special video card? I know display port is preferred, but can DVI output more than 8bit per color channel ?

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rrrremus wrote:

That is very informative. Thanks.

Do i need a special video card? I know display port is preferred, but can DVI output more than 8bit per color channel ?

Glad to help, no DVI can not.
Anyway, 30-bit is very trick
Only works with Photoshop CS6/CC + Windows 7/8 + FirePro/Quadro Card + DisplayPort.
Photoshop CC is or was buggy and was not enabling 30-bit for FirePro cards, I do not know if is fixed now.

bronxbombers4 Senior Member • Posts: 3,387
Re: Don't get the Dell

BJN wrote:

I just posted a topic about returning a Dell U3011 which had poor color and tonal consistency. If you want a display that's very consistent over the entire display area, get a display engineered for critical use. Dell doesn't make that kind of display. NEC and Eizo do. If you choose an NEC model that's designed for color critical work, you won't regret paying more for a much better tool.

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BJ Nicholls
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Some of the Dell Premiere color models do have uniformity compensators too. Apparently with some of the older ones that mode doesn't work if you calibrate the screen yourself, but for instance, on the UP2414Q it does.

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