D5200 - another Jurassic Park dino from Nikon

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simon65 Contributing Member • Posts: 726
D5200 - another Jurassic Park dino from Nikon
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Can it really be true...? 
"The D5200 uses a similar viewfinder to the D5100, ..., a not-especially-impressive 0.78x magnification. It's arguably the least-impressive aspect of the entire camera"
"Disappointingly the D5200 doesn't have an eye sensor either to turn off the rear screen when you're using the viewfinder, so it can flicker away distractingly at you, turning off as you half-press the shutter then lighting up again when you take your finger away" DPR

I've been waiting for the D5200 for some time and really praying that Nikon would have the wit to do something about the D5100's cramped viewfinder, and its the seriously outdated omission of an eye sensor for turning the rear screen off. I think Canon introduced such sensors on their introductory basic compact DSLRs around about 2002, and yet here we are in 2012 and Nikon still haven't got round to adding one in the med range DSLRs.

Nikon its appalling. Just who do you think we are? I'm not going to splash out my hard won cash on a DSLR with a micro viewfinder, and which doesn't even come equipped with a $10 sensor for preventing the rear screen from flickering in my eyes when I'm trying to compose a shot.

Woeful effort Nikon. D minus (again). Try joining the 21st century.

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Jakes Senior Member • Posts: 1,671
Re: D5200 - another Jurassic Park dino from Nikon
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simon65 wrote: .

Nikon its appalling. Just who do you think we are? I'm not going to splash out my hard won cash on a DSLR with a micro viewfinder, and which doesn't even come equipped with a $10 sensor for preventing the rear screen from flickering in my eyes when I'm trying to compose a shot.

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OK then, don't.

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kgbruce01 Senior Member • Posts: 1,245
Re: D5200 - another Jurassic Park dino from Nikon
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simon65 wrote:

Can it really be true...?

... true that you are a crybaby? Yes, it's very, very true. Very.

I'm not going to splash out my hard won cash on a DSLR with a micro viewfinder,

Warm some milk, have your mommy rub your tummy, then don't buy it. Nikon will be just fine without you. I hear Canon and Olympus make cameras...

illy
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Re: D5200 - another Jurassic Park dino from Nikon
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flip the lcd screen round or turn it off

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Barry Fitzgerald Forum Pro • Posts: 29,888
Agree..

0.78x is pretty pathetic even my old Km5d from 2005 had a 0.83x VF, some of the budget Pentax models had not bad penta mirror viewfinders too. The K-30 has a pretty decent penta prism VF that is much larger and 100% yet costs significantly less than the D5200

The rear screen being on is an issue shared with Pentax too only the half press of the shutter turns it off. I believe it was Minolta who brought the eye sensor in with the Dynax 7 35mm semi pro film body in 2000..and it works esp well for DSLR's that don't have a top panel LCD

I suppose it's Nikon's flawed thinking from years past in action again. They'll port down the (questionable but nice sounding) 39 point AF system from the D7k..beef up the fps a bit, but completely ignore the calls for a better viewfinder, proper hard controls for ISO and WB, proper support for wireless flash/Auto FP, a lock switch so that you don't change AF points by accident again all on deaf ears.

But they will sell a ton of them because 24mp sounds great and it will get great reviews 

The best makers take the best ideas from everyone else and combine them into their own products, stuff like a decent VF, and eye level sensors are fairly basic things.

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PerrimanSmythe Regular Member • Posts: 282
Re: Agree..
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Barry Fitzgerald wrote:

I suppose it's Nikon's flawed thinking from years past in action again. They'll port down the (questionable but nice sounding) 39 point AF system from the D7k..beef up the fps a bit, but completely ignore the calls for a better viewfinder, proper hard controls for ISO and WB, proper support for wireless flash/Auto FP, a lock switch so that you don't change AF points by accident again all on deaf ears.

But they will sell a ton of them because 24mp sounds great and it will get great reviews

The best makers take the best ideas from everyone else and combine them into their own products, stuff like a decent VF, and eye level sensors are fairly basic things.

That's what new D7000 will be for. It's called marketing, it's awful, but today it's everywhere and you'll have to live with it. They won't predate their own top consumer DSLR.

As for eye sensor. I have some experience with Sony A100, and it has the sensor. I'd take Nikon D40 without a sensor instead of that Sony any day.

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Stacey_K Veteran Member • Posts: 7,917
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While I agree the viewfinder isn't a gem, the screen thing is a non-issue. Just turn "auto screen" off in the menu. If you need to look at it, one button press next to the finder brings it back up. Most relevant info is in the finder anyway.

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mosswings Veteran Member • Posts: 7,566
Re: D5200 - another Jurassic Park dino from Nikon

simon65 wrote:

Can it really be true...?
"The D5200 uses a similar viewfinder to the D5100, ..., a not-especially-impressive 0.78x magnification. It's arguably the least-impressive aspect of the entire camera"
"Disappointingly the D5200 doesn't have an eye sensor either to turn off the rear screen when you're using the viewfinder, so it can flicker away distractingly at you, turning off as you half-press the shutter then lighting up again when you take your finger away" DPR

I've been waiting for the D5200 for some time and really praying that Nikon would have the wit to do something about the D5100's cramped viewfinder, and its the seriously outdated omission of an eye sensor for turning the rear screen off. I think Canon introduced such sensors on their introductory basic compact DSLRs around about 2002, and yet here we are in 2012 and Nikon still haven't got round to adding one in the med range DSLRs.

Nikon its appalling. Just who do you think we are? I'm not going to splash out my hard won cash on a DSLR with a micro viewfinder, and which doesn't even come equipped with a $10 sensor for preventing the rear screen from flickering in my eyes when I'm trying to compose a shot.

Woeful effort Nikon. D minus (again). Try joining the 21st century.

In another 18 months the mirrorless version of the D5200 will have everything you seek.  But remember, Nikon cameras are about the imaging chain, not about the bells and whistles, particularly at the entry level. I agree that no eye sensor and a low-mag viewfinder is a failing, but then at 24mp I think that autocalibrating AF fine tuning is important as well, especially on an entry level body, to keep the entry level folks from fretting and measurebating too much. Unfortunately no manufacturer seems to think that way.

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aesmith Regular Member • Posts: 239
Re: Agree..
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Barry Fitzgerald wrote:

.....  but completely ignore the calls for a better viewfinder, proper hard controls for ISO and WB, proper support for wireless flash/Auto FP, a lock switch so that you don't change AF points by accident again all on deaf ears ...

If those are important, why are you considering the D5200 - have you looked at a D7000?  That has all that you're asking for, unless you really really need 24MP.

pixd90 Senior Member • Posts: 1,368
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simon65 wrote:

Nikon its appalling. Just who do you think we are? I'm not going to splash out my hard won cash on a DSLR with a micro viewfinder, and which doesn't even come equipped with a $10 sensor for preventing the rear screen from flickering in my eyes when I'm trying to compose a shot.

Woeful effort Nikon. D minus (again). Try joining the 21st century.

Indeed you are over zealous in trying to make your point as nobody forces you where or how to spend your money. People don't buy a specific model because of the feel or its too heavy. So its not unusual to not buy a certain model beause of one specific item.

read bythom, it appears nikon has some problems.

http://www.bythom.com/

'but that misses the point: they should be dominating the camera market. It's their marketing inefficiency and lack of strong product messaging that's not allowing them to do that."

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Lets make this quick.....
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If you have a problem making a compelling picture with the D5200.....

The problem is not Nikon....or Canon...or any other excuse

The problem is the operator.

If you dont belive me...lets go shooting together.

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Barry Fitzgerald Forum Pro • Posts: 29,888
Nothing to do with marketing
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PerrimanSmythe wrote:

That's what new D7000 will be for. It's called marketing, it's awful, but today it's everywhere and you'll have to live with it. They won't predate their own top consumer DSLR.

Adding a half decent penta mirror VF does not obsolete the D7000. The D5200 has a worst in class viewfinder which is frankly abysmal for the joke £700+ asking price.

As for eye sensor. I have some experience with Sony A100, and it has the sensor. I'd take Nikon D40 without a sensor instead of that Sony any day.

Irrelevant, it's not about the model but what the eye sensor does

Nikon contiinue to put pixels over substance. Still the ONLY DSLR maker who does not support wireless flash/HSS or have a DOF preview button. They're stuck in a time warp with their cut down 35mm bodies. They also have the least compatibility of any maker with lenses ala no in body AF motor.

illy
illy Forum Pro • Posts: 12,160
Re: Nothing to do with marketing
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Barry Fitzgerald wrote:

PerrimanSmythe wrote:


That's what new D7000 will be for. It's called marketing, it's awful, but today it's everywhere and you'll have to live with it. They won't predate their own top consumer DSLR.

Adding a half decent penta mirror VF does not obsolete the D7000. The D5200 has a worst in class viewfinder which is frankly abysmal for the joke £700+ asking price.

As for eye sensor. I have some experience with Sony A100, and it has the sensor. I'd take Nikon D40 without a sensor instead of that Sony any day.

Irrelevant, it's not about the model but what the eye sensor does

Nikon contiinue to put pixels over substance. Still the ONLY DSLR maker who does not support wireless flash/HSS or have a DOF preview button. They're stuck in a time warp with their cut down 35mm bodies. They also have the least compatibility of any maker with lenses ala no in body AF motor.

then don't buy one, and your life will be happier without constantly moaning about a camera you have no intention of buying, think of it like a crap TV show.....instead of watching it a writing a letter of complaint about it being so bad......just change the channel

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Because that stuff costs extra (nt)
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Barry Fitzgerald Forum Pro • Posts: 29,888
Learn to read..
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illy wrote:

then don't buy one, and your life will be happier without constantly moaning about a camera you have no intention of buying, think of it like a crap TV show.....instead of watching it a writing a letter of complaint about it being so bad......just change the channel

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From a well known source

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum

An Internet forum, or message board, is an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages.

I have some news we are on a forum which is where a discussion takes place.

Insteadof defending the flag for some maker, take part in the discussion with a series of "points" yes that thrilling thing where you actually make a point..not a tedious ramble about not saying anything bad about "my dearly beloved maker" I think you get the drift on this. If you can't handle that don't take part in an internet forum. 

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Barry Fitzgerald wrote:

illy wrote:


then don't buy one, and your life will be happier without constantly moaning about a camera you have no intention of buying, think of it like a crap TV show.....instead of watching it a writing a letter of complaint about it being so bad......just change the channel

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From a well known source

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum

An Internet forum, or message board, is an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages.

I have some news we are on a forum which is where a discussion takes place.

Insteadof defending the flag for some maker, take part in the discussion with a series of "points" yes that thrilling thing where you actually make a point..not a tedious ramble about not saying anything bad about "my dearly beloved maker" I think you get the drift on this. If you can't handle that don't take part in an internet forum.

i'm trying to read but it's difficult with your endless whining..........because it's so close to Christmas i'll try and make my next reply in the theme of a pantomime

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sshoihet Senior Member • Posts: 2,540
Re: Nothing to do with marketing
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illy wrote:

Barry Fitzgerald wrote:

PerrimanSmythe wrote:


That's what new D7000 will be for. It's called marketing, it's awful, but today it's everywhere and you'll have to live with it. They won't predate their own top consumer DSLR.

Adding a half decent penta mirror VF does not obsolete the D7000. The D5200 has a worst in class viewfinder which is frankly abysmal for the joke £700+ asking price.

As for eye sensor. I have some experience with Sony A100, and it has the sensor. I'd take Nikon D40 without a sensor instead of that Sony any day.

Irrelevant, it's not about the model but what the eye sensor does

Nikon contiinue to put pixels over substance. Still the ONLY DSLR maker who does not support wireless flash/HSS or have a DOF preview button. They're stuck in a time warp with their cut down 35mm bodies. They also have the least compatibility of any maker with lenses ala no in body AF motor.

then don't buy one, and your life will be happier without constantly moaning about a camera you have no intention of buying, think of it like a crap TV show.....instead of watching it a writing a letter of complaint about it being so bad......just change the channel

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Yes I don't get that.  If I see a product that doesn't meet my requirements, I don't buy it.

If i buy something and find that it doesn't meet my needs, I return it.

Would you buy a a hammer and complain that it's not a good screwdriver?  Manufacturers make the products that their marketing research tells them people will purchase.  If you feel that a product should have different features, send your feedback to the manufacturer.  Whining and moaning on a forum does nothing constructive.

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Josh152 Senior Member • Posts: 1,889
The D5200 is an amazing camera....
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For it's class and price bracket.

What some people seem to really want is a D800 type build for D5200 prices. This is of course absurd.

Stacey_K
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sshoihet wrote:

Yes I don't get that. If I see a product that doesn't meet my requirements, I don't buy it.

Right. I went to the store to buy my new camera (imagine that). I knew I wanted a 16-85 lens if I was going to buy a DX nikon so had them pull one out. They also got out a 3100, a 5100 and a 7000. I considered the price points (the 5100 was on special for $400ish) and while I liked some of the features the 7000 has, they weren't worth $600 to me so I didn't get one. Yes I have to live with a crappy viewfinder but I had a choice and I made it. Most of the other features they explained like wireless this and that etc I would never use. If I needed those features, I'd be looking for a different camera

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