NEX6 External Mic

Started Oct 26, 2012 | Questions
Beckler8 Regular Member • Posts: 149
NEX6 External Mic

Leaving out an external mic. input on this, is a Huge omission, IMO.  But Sony does have a stereo mic. that will connect with the hot shoe.  The few reviews on the sony site are bad, however.  Anyone have other experience, or is there any other option?

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Sony Alpha NEX-6
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Ragnarock
Ragnarock New Member • Posts: 14
Re: NEX6 External Mic
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Beckler8 wrote:

Leaving out an external mic. input on this, is a Huge omission, IMO. But Sony does have a stereo mic. that will connect with the hot shoe. The few reviews on the sony site are bad, however. Anyone have other experience, or is there any other option?

Hey Beckler,

as far as I know the only option is the Sony-ECM SST1. There are a few reviews of it on youtube but in general the SST1 has gotten a cold reception.

There is a different option however. Get a Zoom H1 recorder and a L-Bracket with an tripod to hotshoe adapter like the person in the video below has.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjnNESADGQs&t=0m38s

You will have to post sync the audio with the video but it should work ok and you do get good sound.

This video below is a comparison between the SST1 and the Zoom H1. It's the best I could find.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKlauylVA04

PS: I heard some people say that the SST1 does record sounds the camera makes when you operate it but the Zoom H1 doesn't since it records sound on it's own. Also the SST1 might drain the battery of the Nex a bit faster, but I can't say for sure since I don't own one.

I hope any of the information is useful to you.

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padam19 Regular Member • Posts: 239
Re: NEX6 External Mic

If you buy the external mic, there is a DIY solution to rip it apart and extract a mini-jack connector adapter out of it.

http://tynan.com/community/nex-5-audio-in

But it is probably more convenient to record the audio separately (or use an NEX7)

OP Beckler8 Regular Member • Posts: 149
Re: NEX6 External Mic

Well thanks for the ideas, I would consider the separate audio as a last resort.  I thought maybe Sony has some other mic I didn't know about.  I'm sort of deciding between P7700 & NEX6/RX100.  Only the 7700 has a standard mic jack.  In fact it has everything except a larger sensor and 60p video.  The lens is pretty nice too. The Sonys will most likely create better video but bad audio compared to using an external mic on the 7700.  So It's a hard choice...

kazkioken Contributing Member • Posts: 546
Re: NEX6 External Mic

You have very few options really, and if you are at all serious about getting good audio your only choice is to move the recording to an external device like a Zoom or Tascam or even your iPhone.

There have been a few other threads about this recently but basically you can get the optional Sony microphone for whichever camera you want (5N, 5R, 6, 7) and that's easy with some drawbacks.  Or if you want better audio you will have to use external.  The complicated third way is to use a Beachtek or Juicedlink premap with AGC kill, since the7 does have an input but it has AGC.  The only way to get clean audio into a DSLR is to get an A99, or something big like a Nikon D4, Canon 5Diii, etc. since those have manual input audio levels and live monitoring as well.

So you will just hear a lot of people say, just get the Sony microphone or you go all out with external recorders.  I use a Rhode mic into an external Zoom and sync in post for my video needs...and only use the internal as a last resort or to pick up environmental sounds.

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Knallberto Veteran Member • Posts: 5,478
Re: NEX6 External Mic

Zoom H1 records better than Sony mics. Forget (expensive) Sony mics.

http://666kb.com/i/c1il9fkoy5kpl8okr.jpg

http://666kb.com/i/c1ilbe4g3bhx5p0ff.jpg

http://666kb.com/i/c1ilc0ro0wc2ywzu3.jpg

http://666kb.com/i/c1ilclcsi5xa9u8h7.jpg

MP3 ... 48/56/64/80/96/112/128/160/192/224/256/320 kbps

WAV (kHz/bit) 44/16, 44/24, 48/16, 48/24, 96/16, 96/24

http://666kb.com/i/c1ipijaxk14w29c2z.jpg

AlphaOmega Regular Member • Posts: 190
Re: NEX6 External Mic

Ragnarock wrote:

Beckler8 wrote:

Leaving out an external mic. input on this, is a Huge omission, IMO. But Sony does have a stereo mic. that will connect with the hot shoe. The few reviews on the sony site are bad, however. Anyone have other experience, or is there any other option?

Hey Beckler,

as far as I know the only option is the Sony-ECM SST1. There are a few reviews of it on youtube but in general the SST1 has gotten a cold reception.

There is a different option however. Get a Zoom H1 recorder and a L-Bracket with an tripod to hotshoe adapter like the person in the video below has.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjnNESADGQs&t=0m38s

You will have to post sync the audio with the video but it should work ok and you do get good sound.

This video below is a comparison between the SST1 and the Zoom H1. It's the best I could find.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKlauylVA04

PS: I heard some people say that the SST1 does record sounds the camera makes when you operate it but the Zoom H1 doesn't since it records sound on it's own. Also the SST1 might drain the battery of the Nex a bit faster, but I can't say for sure since I don't own one.

I hope any of the information is useful to you.

Not sure how Ragnarok can state "as far as I know the only option is the Sony-ECM SST1. "

Looking up the link http://www.sony.co.uk/product/nex-accessories/ecm-sst1#/compatible-products the NEX-6 is not listed as compatible with the SST1. I am also looking for an external mic. for my NEX-6 en route and have been defeated in finding a reasonably priced Sony solution. Certainly the SST1 does not look like a viable solution.

Olam Forum Member • Posts: 68
Re: NEX6 External Mic

Its too bad they don't have the input, but then again if you are serious with audio, the onboard mic input on the nex7 is not the best option. Ther is not alot of dynamic range, so it will distort earlier than a second system.

I have a zoom H4n and I will use that if I start making my own films, it has better quality sound and more DR.

DihLin Regular Member • Posts: 135
Re: NEX6 External Mic

Hi,

Would you need an adapter for the Zoom 1 since Sony uses its own proprietary hotshoe?

losangeles Contributing Member • Posts: 655
Re: NEX6 External Mic
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Well let's just summarize this by admitting that it's f*ing ridiculous that Sony omitted the 3.5 mm input jack and the touch screen. On the other hand I guess we should consider ourselves lucky that their product managers, in their utter brainlessness, didn't omit the sensor from the camera.

Ragnarock
Ragnarock New Member • Posts: 14
Re: NEX6 External Mic

AlphaOmega wrote:

Ragnarock wrote:

Beckler8 wrote:

Leaving out an external mic. input on this, is a Huge omission, IMO. But Sony does have a stereo mic. that will connect with the hot shoe. The few reviews on the sony site are bad, however. Anyone have other experience, or is there any other option?

Hey Beckler,

as far as I know the only option is the Sony-ECM SST1. There are a few reviews of it on youtube but in general the SST1 has gotten a cold reception.

There is a different option however. Get a Zoom H1 recorder and a L-Bracket with an tripod to hotshoe adapter like the person in the video below has.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjnNESADGQs&t=0m38s

You will have to post sync the audio with the video but it should work ok and you do get good sound.

This video below is a comparison between the SST1 and the Zoom H1. It's the best I could find.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKlauylVA04

PS: I heard some people say that the SST1 does record sounds the camera makes when you operate it but the Zoom H1 doesn't since it records sound on it's own. Also the SST1 might drain the battery of the Nex a bit faster, but I can't say for sure since I don't own one.

I hope any of the information is useful to you.

Not sure how Ragnarok can state "as far as I know the only option is the Sony-ECM SST1. "

Looking up the link http://www.sony.co.uk/product/nex-accessories/ecm-sst1#/compatible-products the NEX-6 is not listed as compatible with the SST1. I am also looking for an external mic. for my NEX-6 en route and have been defeated in finding a reasonably priced Sony solution. Certainly the SST1 does not look like a viable solution.

If you must have better sound you can either:

- Use the Zoom H1 and sync it with the video.

- Bite the bullet and get the Nex-7 if you want a microphone jack.

I didn't know that the Nex 6 isn't able to use the SST1, too bad.

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teaberry Regular Member • Posts: 362
I didn't know NEX-6 doesn't have mic input, can it use SONY NEX boom mic?

Dangit, I pre-ordered NEX-6 w/ 16-50mm kit yesterday and it shipped. I didn't know there's no mic input like NEX-7, but can it use the boom mic like on NEX-5/N/R ? I didn't really look into this much, but I sold my old MIC from my NEX-5n along with the camera

Oh well, i guess when on sale again, I guess I can purchase that sony proprietary NEX mic again? I currently have a NEX-7 too I got a few days ago, but thinking of returning it for NEX-6.

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golfpan Regular Member • Posts: 258
Re: I didn't know NEX-6 doesn't have mic input, can it use SONY NEX boom mic?
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It looks like there is some confusion.

The NEX-3 and 5 series generally come with the "Smart Accessory Terminal". This supports the ECM-SST1 microphone.

The NEX-7 supports the iISO shoe, which the ECM-ALST1 uses as a MOUNT but not a CONNECTOR. That microphone requires a 3.5mm plug, which the NEX-7 has. (look at the picture, it has a big honking wire coming out of it: http://store.sony.com/p/ECM-ALST1/en/p/ECMALST1

The NEX-6 has a totally (totally) TOTALLY new hotshoe called the Multi Interface Shoe. It's a mixture of the old standard ISO (NOT iISO) shoe, with extra electrical contacts hidden inside to do extra fancy stuff. The new A99 full frame DSLR from Sony also uses this new shoe. The NEX-6 does NOT have a 3.5mm plug connector.

This means that neither of the currently available Sony microphones is compatible with the NEX-6. Right now, we either have to have to wait for a Multi Interface Shoe compatible microphone, or use the built-in microphone, or use an external microphone like a Zoom, Tascam, or something else.

Of course most people who want really good audio are already using external, separate solutions like a Zoom and then mixing sound later. But, there is something to be said for the convenience of shoe-connected audio that is mixed in the camera. It just doesn't exist yet. Since Sony is switching to the Multi Interface Shoe, it's fairly certain we will see more accessories soon (including flashes, of which there is only one giant expensive unit at the moment, meant for the A99).

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losangeles Contributing Member • Posts: 655
Re: I didn't know NEX-6 doesn't have mic input, can it use SONY NEX boom mic?
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The real question guys, and this has been asked several times in other threads, is why nobody builds an adapter that allows to translate the 3.5 mm jacks signal for the input options of the 5R or 6.

AlphaOmega Regular Member • Posts: 190
Re: I didn't know NEX-6 doesn't have mic input, can it use SONY NEX boom mic?

I have actually sent an inquiry to Sony UK and asking them what external Sony microphone I can use with the NEX-6. I will post the answer when received (if ever). I am afraid this is typically Sony - no proper forward planning. They must have anticipated that some NEX-6 users would want an external mic. Why provide for all NEX-3/5 versions and NEX-7 and not NEX-6? Why Sony's "deafening" silence on the subject? Their thinking defeats me. The fact they are essentially an electronics company shines through. An avalanche of cameras but too few lenses and early obsolesce of accessories in new models and no suitable replacements.

alisaad619
alisaad619 Regular Member • Posts: 182
Re: NEX6 External Mic

Knallberto wrote:

Zoom H1 records better than Sony mics. Forget (expensive) Sony mics.

http://666kb.com/i/c1il9fkoy5kpl8okr.jpg

http://666kb.com/i/c1ilbe4g3bhx5p0ff.jpg

http://666kb.com/i/c1ilc0ro0wc2ywzu3.jpg

http://666kb.com/i/c1ilclcsi5xa9u8h7.jpg

MP3 ... 48/56/64/80/96/112/128/160/192/224/256/320 kbps

WAV (kHz/bit) 44/16, 44/24, 48/16, 48/24, 96/16, 96/24

http://666kb.com/i/c1ipijaxk14w29c2z.jpg

What is the extension between the nex and the mic ?

Knallberto Veteran Member • Posts: 5,478
Re: I didn't know NEX-6 doesn't have mic input, can it use SONY NEX boom mic?

Oh god ...WHY built such a thing?

Use an extern solution (like ZOOM, TASCAM, ..) or buy a NEX7

A 3.5mm connection gives 10x lower quality than external recording!

DavidB2 Regular Member • Posts: 344
Re: I didn't know NEX-6 doesn't have mic input, can it use SONY NEX boom mic?

Knallberto wrote:

Oh god ...WHY built such a thing?

Use an extern solution (like ZOOM, TASCAM, ..) or buy a NEX7

A 3.5mm connection gives 10x lower quality than external recording!

Easy one -- for convenience.  And while lower quality than external recording, much better quality than the built-in mics would give.  I bet many people will take that tradeoff of "only" middle ground quality for the convenience of mixed-in-camera rather than the best possible quality.

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AlphaOmega Regular Member • Posts: 190
Re: I didn't know NEX-6 doesn't have mic input, can it use SONY NEX boom mic?

Reference my earlier post, here is the enquiry I sent to Sony

"I purchased a NEX-6 kit, which is en route. Have discovered to my surprise that there is no external Sony (or any) microphone available for this otherwise excellent camera. Searched Sony Web sites and other such as DPReview and no satisfactory answers available. Cannot believe that Sony would release such a camera with quality video capabilities and not provide a mic. such as my ALST1 for my A580 or the SST1 I could also use on my NEX-5N. Surely there is a solution?"

Here is the "unbelievable" answer

"Thank you for your recent e-mail.

Kindly be informed that the NEX-6 was not designed to have a microphone with it and it is clearly not shown on the website.
Please accept my apologies for any disappointment or inconvenience that this issue has caused.
Best regards,
Salwa SONY SUPPORT TEAM SUPPORT: http://www.sony-europe.com/support/ "

So Sony offer an external Microphone for all the NEX-3/5 variations and NEX-7 but have not designed the NEX-6 to have an external microphone. I still cannot believe that is going to be the final answer, but then maybe Sony could just make such an omission.

halc
halc Regular Member • Posts: 239
Re: I didn't know NEX-6 doesn't have mic input, can it use SONY NEX boom mic?

What?! Sony ECM-SST1 does NOT work with NEX-6?

What were they thinking? Even NEX3/5 support it?
Am I supposed to buy their horrible and overpriced $850 USD smart shoe accessory?
If this is true, I certainly won't be upgrading my NEX-5 to NEX-6. What a major disappointment.

I hope they at least are coming out with an external mic better than SST1 that also is supported by NEX-6...

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