Leica M-E Summicron-M 28 mm f/2 ASPH Copenhagn

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Carbon111
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Misha Pedan wrote:

it depends on if you want to learn. Judging by what you write, you have no chance.

MP

With an attitude like that, neither do you.

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Artichoke wrote:

Misha's somewhat lukewarm reception stems more from his responses than from his photographs, which a number here admire

This is exactly the point. After checking his website, I see that he is a very accomplished photographer. His acerbic and brusque behavior however is causing people to dismiss him out of hand.

A wise person understands that there is always much to learn and treats those around him with the same respect he expects from others. Misha could use a pinch of that wisdom.

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MrLaki Senior Member • Posts: 1,094
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Edward48 wrote:

I'm quite enjoying this thread, which on one or two forums I've been reading lately would probably have long ago descended into name calling and downright nastiness.

I don't think art photography, painting, sculpture or any other sort of creative endeavour has or needs to be explained. It will either 'speak' to me or not. Sometimes straight away, sometimes after a bit of effort on my part. If nothing happens, fine. It doesn't mean it's a c**p piece of art, it's just not for me. Personally I like the challenge.

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Ok Mike, I agree, but when someone is being asked, does that mean he has to treat all people, who ask a valid question, with that type of arrogance as he does? He claims that to understand his photos you need to go to exhibitions or read books, so he puts his photos on the level of art which deserves to be shown in books and exhibitions (which might happened), so where's the problem to explain?

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Andre33 New Member • Posts: 1
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International Photobook Award 2012

Look at the number seven

http://2012.fotobookfestival.org/en/photobook_award/

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Andre33 wrote:

International Photobook Award 2012

Look at the number seven

http://2012.fotobookfestival.org/en/photobook_award/

Your point?

I noted above that he is an accomplished photographer. But being an ass will garner you no friends...and even less respect.

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MrLaki Senior Member • Posts: 1,094
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Andre33 wrote:

International Photobook Award 2012

Look at the number seven

http://2012.fotobookfestival.org/en/photobook_award/

oh c'mon please, so this one entitles him to behave in such a way?

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Edward48
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MrLaki wrote:

Edward48 wrote:

I'm quite enjoying this thread, which on one or two forums I've been reading lately would probably have long ago descended into name calling and downright nastiness.

I don't think art photography, painting, sculpture or any other sort of creative endeavour has or needs to be explained. It will either 'speak' to me or not. Sometimes straight away, sometimes after a bit of effort on my part. If nothing happens, fine. It doesn't mean it's a c**p piece of art, it's just not for me. Personally I like the challenge.

Best wishes
Mike


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Personal Picks
G20 protest gallery
One picture a day

Ok Mike, I agree, but when someone is being asked, does that mean he has to treat all people, who ask a valid question, with that type of arrogance as he does? He claims that to understand his photos you need to go to exhibitions or read books, so he puts his photos on the level of art which deserves to be shown in books and exhibitions (which might happened), so where's the problem to explain?

Well, no Laki. It's not the best way to win friends and influence people, I have to admit.

Do you remember Stefan Rohner? I thought he was a brilliant photographer, trouble is, so did he. He reacted to people the same way. Perhaps it goes with the territory

Best
Mike

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RaajS Veteran Member • Posts: 6,406
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Andre33 wrote:

International Photobook Award 2012

Look at the number seven

http://2012.fotobookfestival.org/en/photobook_award/

This guy is considered a "brilliant" and "ground-breaking" photographer too.  Dpreview's filters would not let me link to some of his "seminal" work.  You can see it if you go over to village voice dot com and search for him by name.

Cheers,

-raaj

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RaajS wrote:

Andre33 wrote:

International Photobook Award 2012

Look at the number seven

http://2012.fotobookfestival.org/en/photobook_award/

This guy is considered a "brilliant" and "ground-breaking" photographer too. Dpreview's filters would not let me link to some of his "seminal" work. You can see it if you go over to village voice dot com and search for him by name.

Cheers,

-raaj

ANDRES SERRANO great photographer. Thank you for compare me to him.

MP

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Misha Pedan wrote:

RaajS wrote:

Andre33 wrote:

International Photobook Award 2012

Look at the number seven

http://2012.fotobookfestival.org/en/photobook_award/

This guy is considered a "brilliant" and "ground-breaking" photographer too. Dpreview's filters would not let me link to some of his "seminal" work. You can see it if you go over to village voice dot com and search for him by name.

Cheers,

-raaj

ANDRES SERRANO great photographer. Thank you for compare me to him.

MP

You are very welcome, Misha!

Cheers,

-raaj

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Well, I'm thinking that pulling the tripod out and using the Nikon Bubble level with the Leica might be a good idea. Might even use the Pano head to pay more attention to the framing.

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RaajS Veteran Member • Posts: 6,406
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BSweeney wrote:

Well, I'm thinking that pulling the tripod out and using the Nikon Bubble level with the Leica might be a good idea. Might even use the Pano head to pay more attention to the framing.

Hi Brian, not sure if you're comments are directed at me.  In any case, using a tripod and paying attention to framing is something I strive to do myself!

Cheers,

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Misha Pedan wrote:

MrLaki wrote:

Misha Pedan wrote:

MrLaki wrote:

Sorry, but I don't understand your intend as well, I fully agree with Raaj and Kevin, so why you don't give some explanation?

Sorry, I do not give lectures on the network. Read books, go to exhibitions. Your lack of understanding, that is your problem.

MP

Thank you very much for the insight. If you think that by reading books and going to exhibitions someone will get to understand your "photos" then you're far away from reality.

it depends on if you want to learn. Judging by what you write, you have no chance.

MP

It is very disappointing that someone like you, with a completely different style to everyone here, has chosen to be insulting to people rather than have a proper conversation about your art. I wonder why you felt you wanted post your photos here....

BSweeney
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Sorry! It was just a general statement, not directed at anyone! I'm still getting used to "flat view" and just hitting reply.

I tend to use the tripod for long lenses, need to use it for more than that.

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Serrano...

RaajS wrote:

This guy is considered a "brilliant" and "ground-breaking" photographer too. Dpreview's filters would not let me link to some of his "seminal" work. You can see it if you go over to village voice dot com and search for him by name.

Serrano is a very misunderstood artist.  Christians get offended by his work because they think he is attacking or insulting them (not the case at all), and many people like me who are not religious find the heavy religious tone of his work a bit too much to take...

Joe

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Joe Pineapples wrote:

RaajS wrote:

This guy is considered a "brilliant" and "ground-breaking" photographer too. Dpreview's filters would not let me link to some of his "seminal" work. You can see it if you go over to village voice dot com and search for him by name.

Serrano is a very misunderstood artist. Christians get offended by his work because they think he is attacking or insulting them (not the case at all), and many people like me who are not religious find the heavy religious tone of his work a bit too much to take...

Joe


Hi Joe,

Call me an opinionated sob but I don't have any misunderstanding of Serrano. I don't find images of feces or of the "artist" ejaculating compelling or "art" in any way, shape or form. Like you I don't hold to any religious affiliation; I find his work offensive in that he's "tripping" (to paraphrase a guru from the 60s) on the audience, imho.

There are many great photographers who's work I don't find compelling. For example there are images created by Mapplethorpe that I think belong in the realm of the pornographic. But every image of Mapplethorpe's that I have seen conveyed very clearly his mastery - of light and shadow, of composition, of the emotion conveyed. One may not like the image but mastery is easily discernible. That is not the case (for me) with the work of Serrano. Or our friend Misha, for that matter. And certainly the arrogance is mind-blowing. As Butler once said - "The truest characters of ignorance are vanity, and pride, and arrogance". Entertaining too, in a admittedly naughty and perhaps perverse way.

Cheers,

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Daniel74
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I enjoyed the images in the OP. I liked the composition and the balance which appear to me very fine. I think a lot of attention was given to these aspects which I can also tell from the earlier post by Misha but that didn't work for me. Just my opinion, nothing more and I am just an amateur.

I find all the putdowns (in both directions) completely unnecessary, though amusing at times. To me, as a new member here, I hope for a friendly supportive environment with some feedback both from the more experienced "elders" and also from peers, to get a sense of how people see my images and how they can be improved, and more importantly to learn new ways of seeing from experiencing images like the ones above and many others I have already seen here.

So I hope we keep it a welcoming place for new members. We don't necessarily have to like everyone's work but let's keep it respectful.

PS Incidentally as a new member I found this to be a very welcoming place while over at the NEX forum no one's bothered to respond to my intro. So if folks don't mind (I am still not sure I belong by virtue of using Leica lenses but not Leica bodies) I hope to keep participating here.

Lets keep it an open vibrant forum, folks!

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MrLaki Senior Member • Posts: 1,094
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Edward48 wrote:

Well, no Laki. It's not the best way to win friends and influence people, I have to admit.

Do you remember Stefan Rohner? I thought he was a brilliant photographer, trouble is, so did he. He reacted to people the same way. Perhaps it goes with the territory

Best
Mike

Hi Mike,

yes I remember him very well, even he used to be quite harsh or direct, after I asked him he explained what he meant (it was in a discussion about one of my photos) very well.

And I agree, Stefan Rohner is a brillant photographer.

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moose111 Forum Member • Posts: 62
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Andre33 wrote:

International Photobook Award 2012

Look at the number seven

http://2012.fotobookfestival.org/en/photobook_award/

lol, what an coincidence, just registered to post this information?

Ian Matthew Forum Member • Posts: 75
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I really like the number one. The position and the body language of everyone in that photo is very interesting. Very ..."moment" to my eyes.

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