The Olympus 75mm, tell me why I "need" it.

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grapher
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Re: If only someone would debate the relative merits of primes vs zooms.

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... arguing that one flavor of ice cream is universally better than another.

Coconut rules .....

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Re: Why 75mm?
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and yet plenty of folks seem terribly happy using the 75mm (efl 150mm) for portrait work.  seriously, you don't get to decide what focal length others like to use, should use or can use for a particular type of work.  if you don't like that focal length, DON'T BUY THE LENS.

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Re: If only someone would debate the relative merits of primes vs zooms.

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Re: If only someone would debate the relative merits of primes vs zooms.
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I see, you are a chocolate-fanboy. Go back to your chocolate-forum and stop trolling here in the coconuts .....

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Re: Why 75mm?
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RaymondR wrote:

[snip]  if you don't like that focal length, DON'T BUY THE LENS.

That is exactly what we are telling the OP!   Tedolph

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Dan Clark wrote:

OK, so the lens has awesome quality.  So what?  Why 75mm? For what is it useful?

75mm is effectively 150mm.  It's too long for a portrait lens and too short for a tele lens.  Every instance where that focal length would be useful, I would see a zoom as a much better option for better framing.  While a zoom may not be as sharp, if you have to crop in post to get good framing, you lose that advantage.

I don't get it.  Why 75mm fixed?

Dan

one lens: 52mm, f/1.2 and skipped both the 45mm and 75mm.   The 52mm would have come out to be ~105mm equivalent on FF, the perfect portrait lenght and would have been a fast enough for shallow DOF.    Then they could have focused on a 200mm f/4.0.    Tedolph

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pinnacle Senior Member • Posts: 2,545
Re: Why 75mm?

Dan Clark wrote:

OK, so the lens has awesome quality.  So what?  Why 75mm? For what is it useful?

75mm is effectively 150mm.  It's too long for a portrait lens and too short for a tele lens.  Every instance where that focal length would be useful, I would see a zoom as a much better option for better framing.  While a zoom may not be as sharp, if you have to crop in post to get good framing, you lose that advantage.

I don't get it.  Why 75mm fixed?

Dan, I wasn't convinced about how useful the 75mm would be until I bought one. It is most definitely not too long for great portrait work. I suggest you see if you can take a 75 on a photo trek and do some portrait captures. It opens up a lot of possibilities. The extended control of bokeh... The ability to be relatively far from a portrait subject and get more natural expression from some people who feel more comfortable at a distance.

Please just try it. You will love it!

Dan

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tedolf
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Problem is....
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pinnacle wrote:

Dan Clark wrote:

OK, so the lens has awesome quality.  So what?  Why 75mm? For what is it useful?

75mm is effectively 150mm.  It's too long for a portrait lens and too short for a tele lens.  Every instance where that focal length would be useful, I would see a zoom as a much better option for better framing.  While a zoom may not be as sharp, if you have to crop in post to get good framing, you lose that advantage.

I don't get it.  Why 75mm fixed?

Dan, I wasn't convinced about how useful the 75mm would be until I bought one. It is most definitely not too long for great portrait work. I suggest you see if you can take a 75 on a photo trek and do some portrait captures. It opens up a lot of possibilities. The extended control of bokeh... The ability to be relatively far from a portrait subject and get more natural expression from some people who feel more comfortable at a distance.

Please just try it. You will love it!

Dan

Dan

The problem is it is too long to use indoors in a studio type setting.   You would have to be 12-15 feet away from the model for a head and shoulders shot.   Out doors, 90mm would be even better.  It's just an odd focal lenght for a 2x crop sensor.   Tedolph

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Kevin Peters Senior Member • Posts: 1,326
Re: Problem is....

Lets SEE some headshots or portraits with the 75, may help me make up my decision as well!

tedolf
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No one is arguing about the quality....
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Kevin Peters wrote:

Lets SEE some headshots or portraits with the 75, may help me make up my decision as well!

of the protraits, only where you have to stand to get them with that focal length.  In a home or studio, that is an issue as you can't back up through a wall.   Tedolph

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Absolutic
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Re: Why 75mm?

Dan Clark wrote:

OK, so the lens has awesome quality.  So what?  Why 75mm? For what is it useful?

75mm is effectively 150mm.  It's too long for a portrait lens and too short for a tele lens.  Every instance where that focal length would be useful, I would see a zoom as a much better option for better framing.  While a zoom may not be as sharp, if you have to crop in post to get good framing, you lose that advantage.

I don't get it.  Why 75mm fixed?

Dan

why is 150 too long for portrait lens.  As I previously pointed Canon 135L is one of the most popular Canon lenses ever (and probably the sharpest canon lens but that is beside the point).    150 is close to 135.   It is great for head shots.    85 is great for full body or 3/4 portraits, but if you get very close with a 85 for a headshot, the laws of physics tell you that the face is not flatten enough yet at that length for a truly attractive shot.

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tedolf
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Because.....

Absolutic wrote:

Dan Clark wrote:

OK, so the lens has awesome quality.  So what?  Why 75mm? For what is it useful?

75mm is effectively 150mm.  It's too long for a portrait lens and too short for a tele lens.  Every instance where that focal length would be useful, I would see a zoom as a much better option for better framing.  While a zoom may not be as sharp, if you have to crop in post to get good framing, you lose that advantage.

I don't get it.  Why 75mm fixed?

Dan

why is 150 too long for portrait lens.

[Becuase if you are inside a house or a home studio you have to back up through a wall.]

As I previously pointed Canon 135L is one of the most popular Canon lenses ever (and probably the sharpest canon lens but that is beside the point).    150 is close to 135.

[No it's not.  Besides, if you are out doors something like 180mm (full frame) is better.]

It is great for head shots.    85 is great for full body or 3/4 portraits, but if you get very close with a 85 for a headshot, the laws of physics tell you that the face is not flatten enough yet at that length for a truly attractive shot.

[That is why they made 105mm for portraits too.]

[can't use carriage returns in this forum-locks up my computer]

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Yohan Pamudji Senior Member • Posts: 2,874
Re: The Olympus 75mm, tell me why I "need" it.

Absolutic wrote:

pablolie wrote:


I do love the 75mm's built quality, sharpness, bouquet. But it is a specialist lens. If it supported a shorter focus distance it might have been a bit more versatile. I thought I would be able to do more stuff with it. So while I shall not sell mine, I would not label it a must have lens for m43 - I'd pick more versatile lenses first: the 45, the 25, the 100-300. The Voigt 25:0.95. I would also rather part with the 75 than the zuiko 50:2.0. For the price I am a bit disappointed with its single minded focus.

as always, it depends on what personal shooting preferences are.

you feel that way??? Hmmmm do you believe Canon's 135L, one of Canon's most popular lenses ever is also a specialist lens?  Just wondering

Actually, yes.  135L is a niche lens.  Personally I love it, but I consider it much more specialist than, say, an 85mm or 50mm.

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Re: No one is arguing about the quality....

tedolf wrote:

Kevin Peters wrote:

Lets SEE some headshots or portraits with the 75, may help me make up my decision as well!

of the protraits, only where you have to stand to get them with that focal length.  In a home or studio, that is an issue as you can't back up through a wall.   Tedolph

get a better home, w/ bigger rooms, Tedolf, that simple...

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Re: Because.....
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>>can't use carriage returns in this forum-locks up my computer<<
OT, but yeah, what the hell is up with that?  I thought I was only one.

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Head shots and portraits...

Here is one from last Sunday morning...

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the bluesman Regular Member • Posts: 465
You do need this lens

as it is one of the best...

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Re: If only someone would debate the relative merits of primes vs zooms.

grapher wrote:

I see, you are a chocolate-fanboy. Go back to your chocolate-forum and stop trolling here in the coconuts .....

well, you have your coconuts and then there are your cocoa-nuts, but any truly good ice-cream slowly enjoyed ...

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I can only tell you why I like it...

LPMILLER wrote:

I've been through numerous threads here regarding the Olympus "must have" primes, the 12, 40 and 75.  I must confess that I am a tried and true addict of zoom lenses as I find the versatility of them to be so useful and adaptable for any given situation.  I have had primes before, 50 mm macros and my first tele lens was a 135.  The only prime that I have very fond memories of, prior to shooting digital, was the Nikon AF DC-Nikkor 105mm f/2D.  This lens was absolutely gorgeous and the images it produced were of equal quality.  I utilized this lens for a lot of natural light shooting, portraits and weddings, and even landscapes, it was actually a pretty versatile lens.

I don't actually shoot a lot of ultra wide stuff, and, if I wish to use it, have the four thirds 14-35 f2 SWD at my disposal, so the 12mm doesn't have any siren call for me.  But I keep coming back to the other two after hearing so many glowing reports here and on other forums.  I'd like to hear some feedback from anyone on here who's had experience with the 75, and yes, the 45 as well, but I'm leaning in the 75 direction. Tell me why I "need" this lens.

cheers,

Lorne Miller

Hello,

I have the 25, 45 and 75 and I like these lens in the same increasing order I have listed.

I have discovered in the time, with my experience, that I have a "shifted" focal length personal classification/taste toward tele: the 45 is probably my most used lens, it's light, compact, sharp and fast and, in my personal view, it's my "normal" lens. The 25 is my wide one, and the 75 is my tele/portrait tool and IQ reference.

I shoot a lot of portrait and 45 is good for indoor and 3/4 outdoor, I use the 25 mainly indoor or outdoor for full body shots, but, for head portraits outdoors the 75 is simply amazing: the combination of sharp image, angle of view and gorgeous bokeh is terrific. I'm used to move forward/backward in order to accomodate for fixed length and I have found that the 75 (150 eq.) focal length is not so odd as often indicated, even if obviously it's not, and could not be, a long tele.

I have seen that statistically, my most favourite shots are done with the 45 and 75, the 25 coming last, and the look of the 75 images is the nicest one by far.

The problem is that now I'm totally addicted to the quality and distinctive look/features of the 75 (and 45) shots: today I was out with the 12-50 due to flexibility requirements and now, frankly, after looking at the pictures I got, I feel so unsatisifed that I'm starting to think to get a second body in order to have two prime lens always mounted on an the third ready in the pocket...

As side notes I can add that the 75 AF in low light is not so blazing fast however, and the hood lack is a shame, but the lens is so well made that it's a real pleasure owning it by itself.

I hope this will help.

Ciao

LPMILLER
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Re: I can only tell you why I like it...

NeroMetalliko wrote:

LPMILLER wrote:

I've been through numerous threads here regarding the Olympus "must have" primes, the 12, 40 and 75.  I must confess that I am a tried and true addict of zoom lenses as I find the versatility of them to be so useful and adaptable for any given situation.  I have had primes before, 50 mm macros and my first tele lens was a 135.  The only prime that I have very fond memories of, prior to shooting digital, was the Nikon AF DC-Nikkor 105mm f/2D.  This lens was absolutely gorgeous and the images it produced were of equal quality.  I utilized this lens for a lot of natural light shooting, portraits and weddings, and even landscapes, it was actually a pretty versatile lens.

I don't actually shoot a lot of ultra wide stuff, and, if I wish to use it, have the four thirds 14-35 f2 SWD at my disposal, so the 12mm doesn't have any siren call for me.  But I keep coming back to the other two after hearing so many glowing reports here and on other forums.  I'd like to hear some feedback from anyone on here who's had experience with the 75, and yes, the 45 as well, but I'm leaning in the 75 direction. Tell me why I "need" this lens.

cheers,

Lorne Miller

Hello,

I have the 25, 45 and 75 and I like these lens in the same increasing order I have listed.

I have discovered in the time, with my experience, that I have a "shifted" focal length personal classification/taste toward tele: the 45 is probably my most used lens, it's light, compact, sharp and fast and, in my personal view, it's my "normal" lens. The 25 is my wide one, and the 75 is my tele/portrait tool and IQ reference.

I shoot a lot of portrait and 45 is good for indoor and 3/4 outdoor, I use the 25 mainly indoor or outdoor for full body shots, but, for head portraits outdoors the 75 is simply amazing: the combination of sharp image, angle of view and gorgeous bokeh is terrific. I'm used to move forward/backward in order to accomodate for fixed length and I have found that the 75 (150 eq.) focal length is not so odd as often indicated, even if obviously it's not, and could not be, a long tele.

I have seen that statistically, my most favourite shots are done with the 45 and 75, the 25 coming last, and the look of the 75 images is the nicest one by far.

The problem is that now I'm totally addicted to the quality and distinctive look/features of the 75 (and 45) shots: today I was out with the 12-50 due to flexibility requirements and now, frankly, after looking at the pictures I got, I feel so unsatisifed that I'm starting to think to get a second body in order to have two prime lens always mounted on an the third ready in the pocket...

As side notes I can add that the 75 AF in low light is not so blazing fast however, and the hood lack is a shame, but the lens is so well made that it's a real pleasure owning it by itself.

I hope this will help.

Ciao

Thank you for your very helpful input, it is good to see how your experience with primes has worked out.  I don't have any primes yet, and if I get the 75 it will be my first since moving to digital, so your comparisons are very helpful indeed.

cheers!

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