seeking some advice regarding a purchase

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OP Blackburn11 Regular Member • Posts: 100
Re: seeking some advice regarding a purchase

Yes, I agree. I think people that want to upgrade in the $2000 price range are disappointed in pentax much like I am disappointed in the options canon and nikon have in the $800 price range.

I like the IQ comparisons of the pentax and like the idea of being different. To be honest, of course all these cameras would be good for a person like me. I am sure the d3200 would be just fine and any limitations would come from me, not the camera. But I want a camera to grow into and hopefully some day call myself a photographer instead of just a guy that takes pictures.

I think this is the system for my needs and the k-30 has much to grow with control wise.

Thanks.

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OP Blackburn11 Regular Member • Posts: 100
Re: Don

Oh my, dont get me started on the FZ200 again! I really considered all the options this time around. I have been in the market and wanting to make photography a hobby rather than just a means to collect memories of my family for a long time.

I love the images people create with the FZ200 and with my limited future budget, it was the top of my list a few weeks ago. And I think it would serve my desire for better pictures.

I get upset by my sony hx9v point and shoot for two reason. First, I dont like the IQ at the longer focal lengths. The pictures do not look sharp at all. And I dont like the jpeg processing at lower ISO and lower focal lengths. When I zoom in while viewing images (and sometimes when I dont zoom in) I can see what I think looks like smudging or smearing. Dont know if those are the right words, but I dont like what I see. Maybe its the user and not the camera though. I dont know.

So perhaps the FZ200 is exactly what I need. But I was very disappointed in the viewfinder when I held it a couple weekends ago. And it just felt small. I maybe have in my mind that if I get a full dslr that I will get out of auto mode and try to learn how to actually shoot and do things different.

Perhaps its a silly thing to attempt for me and God knows my wife thinks its a huge waste of money, but I have wanted to try it for a long time now. ...perhaps I will end up selling it a year down the road and get a superzoom. I hope not.

Either way, thank you for your recommendation and I realize that you are correct about that being a more sensible camera that would fill my needs.

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ayewing Contributing Member • Posts: 707
Re: K-30 + ? lenses

One point to consider is that when photography is combined with family activities, birthday parties, holidays, visits to the zoo etc it is frustrating for all concerned if the photographer has to fiddle about changing lenses. The DA18-135 makes a lot of sense as it covers a most useful range - 27-200mm in 35mm terms. the DA18-55 is sometimes a bit short though this depends on your style of photography.

The DA18-135 is also a really nice lens in use. It is not much bigger than the kit lens, is weather sealed, focuses fast and silently and provided you get a decent copy is pretty sharp in the centre of the image though softer in the corners. Like all super zooms it has some distortion particularly at the wide end but this is easily corrected either in camera (JPEG) or in pp (RAW). Later when finances admit adding a few primes (the Limiteds are lovely) and if a longer lens is needed the DA55-300 is a good choice.

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OP Blackburn11 Regular Member • Posts: 100
Re: K-30 + ? lenses

I agree. Like I said my wife has no patience at all. I just wish that one lens wouldn't take up my entire budget. But at least after a few months with that lens I would know what I need. What prime, more focal length, or maybe I won't need anything!

I think The 18-135 is the way to go for me.

Thanks for the advice. Everyone's comments and input have been helpful. It's very nice that you guys take the time to help new people. I am sure it gets tiresome when new people come on here asking the same questions time and time again,

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OP Blackburn11 Regular Member • Posts: 100
Re: seeking some advice regarding a purchase

That combo is definitely the smart choice for IQ and budget. I just think the 18-135 would be a better bet for me to avoid changing lens often. Going to regret it if I take 90% of my photos between 18-55, but I think I will make use of the 18-135 to warrant the cost.

I think. Thanks for the input.

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Re: seeking some advice regarding a purchase

Blackburn11 wrote:

That combo is definitely the smart choice for IQ and budget. I just think the 18-135 would be a better bet for me to avoid changing lens often. Going to regret it if I take 90% of my photos between 18-55, but I think I will make use of the 18-135 to warrant the cost.

I think. Thanks for the input.

That's the lens I just got with my K30 and it's very nice. Once you have the extra reach attached to the wide angle it's amazing how an 18-55 seems inadequate. I am still looking for a longer lens now, maybe the 55-300 but there are some good used ones out there too.

Russell Evans Forum Pro • Posts: 12,617
Pentax K-5

The K-5 is now around the same price as the K-30, about $30 more counting the $50 Pentax rebate on the K-30. You didn't say anything about wanting to do HD movies, so the K-5 would still be my pick over the K-30 for about the same money for stills.

I would go with the 18-135mm with the K-5. I went with the Tamron 18-250mm over the kit lenses when I bought the K-10 and I would do the same today, but with the 18-135mm. The DC motor will be very welcome, and when you need WR, you aren't going to want to swap lenses.

Thank you
Russell

OP Blackburn11 Regular Member • Posts: 100
Re: Pentax K-5

I will take some video, but that wasn't the reason I didn't choose the k-5. I don't know, but I was thinking the k-30 had better af and was cheaper.

Am I wrong about the af? Is the video on the k-30 signifacantly better? Is the IQ on the k-5 significantly better?

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Re: Pentax K-5

Blackburn11 wrote:

I will take some video, but that wasn't the reason I didn't choose the k-5. I don't know, but I was thinking the k-30 had better af and was cheaper.

Am I wrong about the af? Is the video on the k-30 signifacantly better? Is the IQ on the k-5 significantly better?

I bought my camera from a guy whos been in the business a long time. He said he thought the K30 has a slightly weaker AA filter, wrong or not I still would have bought the K30. Focus peaking was a reason, cost was another. I knew I wanted the 18-135 and it doesn't come bundled with the k5, which adds another $180 there. Also according to B&H prices, the K5 is $82 more, thats more than a $250 difference for me wanting the 18-135.

The AF is supposed to be slightly better, and the menus and controls are supposed to be much faster. The one thing I miss is the battery grip but I am awaiting my AA battery adapter atm. Overall its supposed to be fairly even with IQ, the K5 having a bit more DR.

BrianC Veteran Member • Posts: 4,614
I am pleased with Pentax

I started with the K100D............great photos. Moved up to K200D, which I stll have and love it combined with my Sigma 17-70, especially for landscapes.

I had a K-x briefly and it just didn't fit me for some reason....

I now have the K30, and so far it's been great even though I am not familiar with all the settings.

I have not had any problems with either of them except for dropping my K200 and breaking off the hot shoe. Got it fixed and all is well.

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solarider Veteran Member • Posts: 4,736
Re: seeking some advice regarding a purchase

Edit: Regarding the AF of the K30, I'm not sure I've seen ample evidence that it is significantly improved over the K5, if anything it's likely a small incremental improvement.

You'd have to go to the K5II for better AF performance, though that needs to be verified in real world experience. It's likely though from PF's quick test that indeed there is some good performance increase. I'll still await further verification.

The fz150 or fz200 might be a very good choice for some. If you don't like the VF, the fold out LCD is certainly handy. I can see getting what you can afford with a huge zoom range as one good option. Later when you can afford a dslr, you can play with that when you have more time and money. If your wife's patience doesn't grow with time that's another matter. Never forget the Wife Factor Algorithm .

I may consider getting the fz 200 for those times I don't want to lug a bag of lenses around with me. I can always use my dslr if I want any other time.

this is coming from a reviewer that gets and likes Pentax: http://photographic-central.blogspot.com/2012/08/panasonic-fz200-review-first-look.html

Check out CG's articles about his buying used Pentax DSLR's. You can also buy very nice used equipment with a lot of life in them for much savings. If you want a K30 or K5/II/s later on down the line buying used is perfectly okay.

Have fun and don't worry about the brand of equipment, and get what you can comfortably afford for the time being

Best Wishes.

Blackburn11 wrote:

That combo is definitely the smart choice for IQ and budget. I just think the 18-135 would be a better bet for me to avoid changing lens often. Going to regret it if I take 90% of my photos between 18-55, but I think I will make use of the 18-135 to warrant the cost.

I think. Thanks for the input.

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Russell Evans Forum Pro • Posts: 12,617
Re: Pentax K-5

Blackburn11 wrote:

I will take some video, but that wasn't the reason I didn't choose the k-5. I don't know, but I was thinking the k-30 had better af and was cheaper.

Am I wrong about the af? Is the video on the k-30 signifacantly better? Is the IQ on the k-5 significantly better?

I thought most of the improvement in the AF was in CDAF? We have Pentax own words saying the reason why the prime M wasn't used in the new K-5II bodies was that the prime M was a compromise to get better video in the K-01 and K-30.

I think the biggest issue with video on the K-30 addresses is the 4 minute limitation of 1080 video on the K-5. The K-30 uses another video format that can link the multiple saved video files into one stream, so you get longer HD video capabilities.

Thank you
Russell

OP Blackburn11 Regular Member • Posts: 100
Re: Pentax K-5

I see. Well the k-5 is definitely a better camera. Just do think my budget can fit it in. Bet the price drops when the k-5II comes out or could get used for cheap. But not sure I want to wait
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dpnaiba Regular Member • Posts: 121
Re: seeking some advice regarding a purchase

Just one more comment. When I got a DSLR i was pixel peeping the pics, expecting it to do wonders. Since you'll get the K5 or K30, in a sense it will (I have the K5 and its an amazing camera). My K100 didn't but I learned to love the little camera.

Depending on the lens it might not work very well for interior shots in a normal light house. So if you plan to take pics like that, make sure you get a fast (large max aperture) lens and there's not really something as good / cheap as the plastic wonders: the new 50mm 1.8 (portraits) or the 35mm 2.4 AL (full body shots, kids moving around).

Just a friendly warning, so you enjoy your purchase more.

Shots with the 35mm:

The following 2 are not interior shots but maybe still useful - I only got the 35mm relatively recent and kicked myself in the head for not doing it ages ago, considering how cheap it is!

Shots with the ancestor of the 50mm 1.8 - the manual focus A version

(Note that I do crop a lot on computer)

Hope this helps!

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Donald B Forum Pro • Posts: 12,005
Re: K-30 + ? lenses

the k30 and the 18 135 would be a nice choice if your going to have photography as a hobby as well . i started with a oly uz 500 and went to a k100d, k10d, and k7. theirs nothing like a nice vf to look through, all though now im not so concerned as i know what im looking for and just need it for composition. have fun its a great hobby to have raising children, gets you out and about too.

cheers don

OP Blackburn11 Regular Member • Posts: 100
Re: seeking some advice regarding a purchase

Wish that darn 18-135 WR wasnt so expensive. If I choose to purchase that lens with camera, it will prob be the only lens I get initially.

But perhaps I could get the DA 35mm f/2.4 AL for xmas this year. Or many find one of those old lens on ebay that will fit on the K-30 to play around with!

Thanks for the advice.

ugh... the Tamron AF 17-50mm F/2.8 is about the same price as the 18-135. Can go crazy shopping for cameras and lenses. I can see how people could end up spending lots of money on equipment.

Thanks again for the advice on indoor shooting.

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Re: seeking some advice regarding a purchase

Blackburn11 wrote:

Wish that darn 18-135 WR wasnt so expensive. If I choose to purchase that lens with camera, it will prob be the only lens I get initially.

But perhaps I could get the DA 35mm f/2.4 AL for xmas this year. Or many find one of those old lens on ebay that will fit on the K-30 to play around with!

I did just that a few days ago, and other than an old MF 50 1.7, the 18-135 is my only lens atm. I am searching online for a nice tele, not as critical as a good wide end zoom so far. The 18-135 is a great portrait lens, and it can be used for wide shots as well as some tele work. Ad to that it is weather sealed and its a good deal.

If I can't find a cheaper tele I will likely save for the 55-300 and call it good. Once I am at a point of body ugrade (no sooner than the K3 arrival) I will get some of the limiteds but that will be at least a year from now.

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Wanganuilad Senior Member • Posts: 2,210
Re: Second option

Blackburn11 wrote:

Woah. That I did not know. Well that changes things. I figured a kit lens sold with a sealed body would be sealed.

Yes, one would expect that....

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James O'Neill Veteran Member • Posts: 4,678
Re: seeking some advice regarding a purchase

Blackburn11 wrote:

I am thinking the k-30 is the best bang for the buck in this range (though I think nikon will release something the minute I buy!). I love the IQ at higher ISO, the weather sealing, and the large viewfinder.

All valid points.

I am looking for advice on two things. First, I am hoping to get some nice comments about people happy with pentax

I've shot with Pentax since 1983. I've owned 4 Pentax DSLRs, having recently upgraded my K7 to a K5. So you could say I'm pretty happy with Pentax.

  • First and foremost you need to feel comfortable and at home with the camera you choose. Whatever fantastic things reviews tell you a camera has if you don't want to pick it up and shoot ... you won't practice photography enough to get any good at it, and when you might have shot pictures you'll be doing something else. To me. Pentax has a long history of making the best handling cameras on the market, and the K5/7 are close to operating by telepathy. But if you find the K30 makes you feel like you have 5 thumbs on each hand, buy something else.

  • Being weather sealed you can take the Pentax bodies to places which you couldn't take others.

  • Everyone has their own view on what lenses they want. Pentax has some brilliant primes, and the 18-135mm gives a range equivalent to the two zooms I used with my film SLRs. (28-200 in 35mm terms, I had a 28-85, and an 80-200). If you have a specialist requirement which isn't available in a Pentax mount then you might need to look elsewhere.

  • Because Pentax's stabilization is in-body all lenses are stabilized lenses allowing slower hand held shooting.

  • The image quality on both the K5 and K30 is very good indeed. Pentax don't have a monopoly on quality.

Only you can answer if Pentax gives you a camera you will want to shoot with, with the lens(es) you want , with a subjective image quality which pleases you but in my case the answer is an emphatic yes to all .

Second, I was considering the 18-135 weather sealed lens and k-30 for $1100 (and a 70-300mm lens in the future). I was also thinking about the 18-55 lens and a 50-200 lens for $930 (and perhaps a Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 in the near future).

My wife has the patience of a mosquito and I am worried about having to change lenses.

I bought the 18-250 as "one zoom to rule them all and in the darkness bind them" only about 10% of my shots are taken at longer than 135mm, so the 18-135 would work out well (see comment above on the range).

I want this purchase to yield some very sharp images for viewing on a very large monitor and hopefully for some large prints also.

Sharpness isn't the only quality, but I regularly make A3 size prints ( 12 x 16"). Even the older Pentax bodies produced some stunning images and K5

So, any recommendations or advice would be appreciated. I am undecided about everything, so all advice is welcome.

Advice ? Pentax has worked very well for me. That doesn't mean it will work for you; it sounds like you have done your research and things suggest it will. Eventually you have to go for it; there are pictures which you don't take every day. Once you've made your decision, don't read a camera review for at least a year. Ignore complainers and fan boys on forums. Only allow for the possibility of buyers remorse if you find the camera gets in the way of what you are trying to do.

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OP Blackburn11 Regular Member • Posts: 100
Re: seeking some advice regarding a purchase

I held the t4i and the k-30 last weekend and to be honest I really wanted to like the canon. I loved the articulating screen and touchscreen.

But the shutter button was in a better location on the Pentax. The touch screen focusing on the t4i was so slow, the ovf on the Pentax was better, and the k-30 just felt right.

The guy at the store sat there telling me how much better the canon was. But I trust my research and the things said in forums.

You are right... At some point you just have to go for it! Though I will not be able to stay away from reviews of the k-5II, the gh3, nor nikons future offering. But if I thought a better body would be released in The $650 price range, I would wait. I just don't see it happening.

I am getting the k-30 w/18-135 wr! Can't wait to order, get it, and post my first pics (so you guys can laugh and say...he needed a 1200 buck system for that!? Which is what my wife will say.).

Thanks for everyone's time and guidance.
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