sony rx1 FF

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steelhead3 Veteran Member • Posts: 7,271
sony rx1 FF

just released pictures
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RedFox88 Forum Pro • Posts: 27,303
epic FAIL

epic FAIL sony. This will be as popular as the leica m9 - not very.

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Rumor ONLY - and I'm thinking wild rumor (nt)
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Re: epic FAIL

RedFox88 wrote:

epic FAIL sony. This will be as popular as the leica m9 - not very.

There's "popular", then there's "niche products that still serve the market and can still make a profit." Canon Rebels are "popular", but they also sell at very low margins. Leica M9's are not "popular", but they have very large margins. High priced boutique products that don't appeal to the mass market but do appeal to a certain niche of the market and cater to a certain class of customers certainly don't need to be "popular" in the conventional sense of the word in order to be profitable and successful. I don't think Sony was going after the Canon Rebel "popular" market with a camera like this. It's going to be a niche product for a certain class of customer. Not every product needs to sell in massive quantities in order to be successful. And just because certain products cater to a more niche market doesn't mean that they are epic "FAIL" products. Sony certainly does have other mass-market products that they sell.

It's amazing how some people are so dead set against a bit of diversity in the market, to the point that they have to attack products like the Sony RX1 or Leica M9 for not being "popular"! So are you saying that only "popular" products should exist in the market? Well, if that's the case, then we wouldn't have products like the RX1 or M9, and we would only have mass-market me-too products. In other words, we would have a lot less diversity in the camera market. God forbid any manufacturer tries to step outside of what is considered "popular"! LOL.

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Re: epic FAIL

T3 wrote:

RedFox88 wrote:

epic FAIL sony. This will be as popular as the leica m9 - not very.

There's "popular", then there's "niche products that still serve the market and can still make a profit." [...] Leica M9's are not "popular", but they have very large margins.

I agree wholeheartedly. In fact, I would like to point out three existing cameras that don't "make sense" and would be described by RedFox88 as "fail":

1. Sony R1. Released when "experts" agreed that large sensors are prohibitively expensive and that Nikon D50 or Canon EOS 350D would be as cheap as it gets ($1,000 with a poor quality kit lens), and that Nikon and Canon were dumping the market and hoping to make some money back on higher quality lenses.

Enter R1 for $1,000 with a very high quality lens. The camera shook the market and while it never sold in volume, it made hefty profit for Sony.

2. Sigma DP-1M and DP-2M -- pretty much just one camera. DP-1 and DP-2 were released and universally panned by critics. If Sigma didn't make money on these, it wouldn't make sense to release even more expensive Merrill versions of these cameras -- not just one, but two!

3. Sigma SD-1 (especially pre-Merrill). The price was ridiculous (justified by manufacturing costs, but Sigma should have worked this out before trying to market the camera), the Merrill version is much better positioned. Nevertheless, Sigma decided to press on. Last I checked, they weren't going bankrupt despite the crisis.

There are some cameras which will appeal to a very narrow audience. We should expect a price of at least $700, but it will open up a whole new world of possibilities -- think FF DSLRs (or rather DSLTs) and FF NEX next year...

Edit: Hmmm... Maybe not $700. But I'm guessing -- not $3,000 either. I suppose $1,500-$2,000 and it's going to make sense.

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NowHearThis Veteran Member • Posts: 3,136
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RedFox88 wrote:

epic FAIL sony. This will be as popular as the leica m9 - not very.

It'll be more popular since it's $7000 less (given similar lenses) and has AF, Video, and an ISO that goes well beyond ISO2500. It won't sell quite as well as a Sony A55, but it'll do just fine.

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Re: Rumor ONLY - and I'm thinking wild rumor (nt)

I'd love you bet you a mountain of cash that you're wrong on this.

While not everything on SAR is always correct. It is when it comes to posting shots where the admin is saying this is the final product, this leaked picture is it.

They've been right on every SLR/SLT as far back as I can remember. I have no reason to doubt this or any other final "leaked image" (like the A99, NEX6) on their site.

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NowHearThis wrote:

RedFox88 wrote:

epic FAIL sony. This will be as popular as the leica m9 - not very.

It'll be more popular since it's $7000 less (given similar lenses) and has AF, Video, and an ISO that goes well beyond ISO2500. It won't sell quite as well as a Sony A55, but it'll do just fine.

Why not make a 35mm emount nex? The mount is big enough for a 35mm sensor, right? That makes the point of a fixed lens P&S 35mm camera a bit of a waste.

No wonder sony has been losing billions of $ lately.

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RedFox88 wrote:

NowHearThis wrote:

RedFox88 wrote:

epic FAIL sony. This will be as popular as the leica m9 - not very.

It'll be more popular since it's $7000 less (given similar lenses) and has AF, Video, and an ISO that goes well beyond ISO2500. It won't sell quite as well as a Sony A55, but it'll do just fine.

Why not make a 35mm emount nex? The mount is big enough for a 35mm sensor, right? That makes the point of a fixed lens P&S 35mm camera a bit of a waste.

They'll make one. There's already a camcorder on the horizon, a FF NEX ILC will be on the way eventually.

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-full-vg900-full-frame-nex-camcorder-specs-with-full-frame-a-mount-adapter/

With the RX1 Sony now gets to claim the highest IQ and the best low-light high ISO performance of any compact fixed lens camera.

No wonder sony has been losing billions of $ lately.

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0 for 1, better luck next time. (nt)

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