Harman by Hahnemuhle ICC profiles & Pro-1

Started Sep 4, 2012 | Discussions
hughlook New Member • Posts: 6
Harman by Hahnemuhle ICC profiles & Pro-1
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I've got an odd problem. Recently acquired a Pixma Pro-1 printer, which so far I've very happy with. I've printed on Canon Platinum paper using the Canon-supplied profile as a reference, and have also printed on several Ilford papers using Ilford's own profiles. The match between them all was pretty close, which suggests things are mostly hunky-dory. I'm printing from Photoshop CS6, using the printer driver, and have got all the settings right according to the Canon manual.

The monitor is calibrated using a Spyder4 and I'm using a fairly comprehensive test target.

However, I also tried out my favourite paper for colour, the Harman by Hahnemuhle Gloss Barya with the profile downloaded from the Hahnemuhle website and using the recommended "other glossy" media setting. Results: terrible, really terrible. Horrible. Not just not matching, but washed out, and with a greenish tint. Nothing like any of the other prints, let alone what I was seeing on the monitor. Looked almost as if the magenta ink had been cut off.

Tried changing all sorts of settings, printing using the plug-in, different media type, switching rendering intent, doublechecking that I had downloaded the right profile and not one for (e.g.) the warmtone or matt paper, and it was for the right printer etc etc. No real change. Now, just to say that I am quite experienced as a printer (years of nursing along a fragile HP B9180) and I'm fairly sure I wasn't double-profiling or making any other basic mistakes. And the other paper/profile combinations were fine. I reran them just to be sure.

So in desperation I tried printing using the Canon Platinum Pro profile--and the print was much, much better. Not perfect, but a huge improvement.

Finally made a custom profile using an old Colormunki and the Canon Color Management Tool Pro software. And hooray, a very good print, very close to the other paper/profile combinations and just about how I wanted it.

So, in the end I solved the problem from a practical point of view--but not mentally. I still can't work out what went wrong. Is it me doing something stupid (always possible), or could there be something wrong with the H-by-H profiles?

It's no longer a live problem, but if anybody has any suggestions about what might have gone wrong I will sleep better at night.

Incidentally, printing in black and white on Ilford Gold Fibre Silk is really lovely. Nicest inkjet B&W I've been able to make.

Howard Moftich Veteran Member • Posts: 9,986
Re: Harman by Hahnemuhle ICC profiles & Pro-1

it's certainly possible that the profile is, um, 'not good'. Some are better than others. Add to that the Pro-1 seems to not really have taken off sales-wise, they (Harman or the people who made the profile) even know. Maybe an email to them suggesting that they dblcheck the profile.

Petruska Veteran Member • Posts: 9,169
Is the PRO-1 color managment turned off?

to use ICC profiles, are you sure.....

From Canon ......

http://usa.canon.com/CUSA/assets/app/html/EN/html/iccg03.htm

Bob P.

Hugowolf Forum Pro • Posts: 12,676
Re: Harman by Hahnemuhle ICC profiles & Pro-1

You may also want to try getting a profile directly from the Harman site and see if it is any better than the one that Hahnemühle supplies:

http://www.harman-inkjet.com/profiledownload/dropdown.asp

The paper is called HARMAN GLOSS FB Al in the UK where Harman are based. http://www.harman-inkjet.com/profiledownload/dropdown.asp

The profiles should be the same, but you never know. The profiles did change when Harman agreed to use Hahnemühle's distributer's in N America. But when that happened, the Pro 1 hadn’t been introduced yet.

Brian A

OP hughlook New Member • Posts: 6
Re: Harman by Hahnemuhle ICC profiles & Pro-1

Hugowolf wrote:

You may also want to try getting a profile directly from the Harman site and see if it is any better than the one that Hahnemühle supplies:

http://www.harman-inkjet.com/profiledownload/dropdown.asp

The paper is called HARMAN GLOSS FB Al in the UK where Harman are based. http://www.harman-inkjet.com/profiledownload/dropdown.asp

Thanks--unfortunately Harman took the old FB ones away. There's only a couple of profiles for Crystaljet papers there now for the Pro-1.

OP hughlook New Member • Posts: 6
Re: Is the PRO-1 color managment turned off?

Petruska wrote:

to use ICC profiles, are you sure.....

From Canon ......

http://usa.canon.com/CUSA/assets/app/html/EN/html/iccg03.htm

Thanks, but yes, I have really worked through that information step by step more than once to be sure, and those are indeed the settings I've been using. The one to turn off the driver's own colour management was a bit obscure, but I did find it and set it correctly.

Howard Moftich Veteran Member • Posts: 9,986
Re: Is the PRO-1 color managment turned off?

maybe use one of those profile gamut comparison utilities to look at the shape of the various gamuts between the questionable profile, the one you made and the newer HbyH gloss baryta profile. they really all should be pretty close to one another.

Junction10 New Member • Posts: 3
Re: Harman by Hahnemuhle ICC profiles & Pro-1

Wow..  I've recently bought some Hahnemuhle Baryta FB 350gsm paper, and I'm having EXACTLY the same problem!

I've done a previous print on Ilford Gold Fibre Silk, using the official ICC profile, and the colour match is near perfect to what I see on screen.  I had the same image printed at a lab on Fuji crystal archive paper, and again, the colours match what I expect...

So when I downloaded the ICC profile for this paper from the Hahnemuhle website, I couldn't believe how different the colours are!  Like you say, there's hardly ANY magenta..  it looks NOTHING like what it should do on screen..  even the softproof looks correct on screen, but nothing like what it actually prints like...  Very disappointing!  It's costing me a fortune trying to correct the print..  I might have to create a profile myself at this rate.. 

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