Sent the HS30 back...

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LTZ470
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Sent the HS30 back...

Hi Guys, sure most of you know I have been shooting the Panny FZ series for quite some time, well Joms shot some excellent ISO400 bird shots that piqued my interest...I purchased a HS30 and shot quite a number of shots to compare to the FZ200...to put it bluntly the HS30 wasn't even close to the IQ of the FZ200...jpegs were soft and hazy....I also shot them at ISO400 to see if the HS30 was better but while reducing the MP size on the FZ200 to gain the equivalent zoom length of the HS30 the FZ200 still came out on top...it SHOULD it is $500 compared to $340 HS30...still would like to give the X-S1 a go when they have the sensors changed and the new units available...

The Spot AF is missing on the HS30 WHICH I think would help the camera greatly...

otherwise it is a huge hunk up beside the FZ200 as well...and of course shot to shot the FZ200 is much faster...
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Re: Sent the HS30 back...
MarTay6 Regular Member • Posts: 157
Re: Sent the HS30 back...

Knowing your abilities, I'd say that's a good testimonial for the Panny- and a curse on the Fuji!!
Wes

jcmarfilph Veteran Member • Posts: 7,592
Re: Sent the HS30 back...

I am supposed to hibernate for a couple of weeks coz I promised to myself not to post here and focus on my work and family.

Care to share a side-by-side comparisons?

What are the settings for both?

I bet you missed something there coz I won't believe HS30 is not close to IQ of FZ200. I even LOL when I saw some of your mushy ISO-100 shots compared to mine.

If you use both in action shots, FZ200 will be left behind miles away because manual zoom is a lot faster and easier to use than a motorized zoom.

LTZ470 wrote:

Hi Guys, sure most of you know I have been shooting the Panny FZ series for quite some time, well Joms shot some excellent ISO400 bird shots that piqued my interest...I purchased a HS30 and shot quite a number of shots to compare to the FZ200...to put it bluntly the HS30 wasn't even close to the IQ of the FZ200...jpegs were soft and hazy....I also shot them at ISO400 to see if the HS30 was better but while reducing the MP size on the FZ200 to gain the equivalent zoom length of the HS30 the FZ200 still came out on top...it SHOULD it is $500 compared to $340 HS30...still would like to give the X-S1 a go when they have the sensors changed and the new units available...

The Spot AF is missing on the HS30 WHICH I think would help the camera greatly...

Yes this is missing but I don't think it's a big deal. I was able to shoot some birds with couple of layers in front of it and it did hit the focus right.

otherwise it is a huge hunk up beside the FZ200 as well...and of course shot to shot the FZ200 is much faster...
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Handling, controls and ergo should go to HS30 although I think the FZ200 EVF is better?

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MarioV Veteran Member • Posts: 6,785
Re: Sent the HS30 back...

LTZ470 wrote:

Hi Guys, sure most of you know I have been shooting the Panny FZ series for quite some time, well Joms shot some excellent ISO400 bird shots that piqued my interest...I purchased a HS30 and shot quite a number of shots to compare to the FZ200...to put it bluntly the HS30 wasn't even close to the IQ of the FZ200...jpegs were soft and hazy....I also shot them at ISO400 to see if the HS30 was better but while reducing the MP size on the FZ200 to gain the equivalent zoom length of the HS30 the FZ200 still came out on top

I'm sure some comparison photos would better demonstrate your conclusion.

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Tim39 Senior Member • Posts: 2,888
Re: Sent the HS30 back...

Well, darn. From the images you posted, I thought you'd found a keeper.

You surely gave the '30 a fair trial, though. And in the end, your judgment is the only thing that counts.

I still have a Panny FZ18, which I've tried mightily to replace with a series of superzooms and dslrs. But the FZ18 is still here, and the others are history. Wish Panny could find it within itself to stick a manual zoom on one of its bridge cams...

Was good to have you on the forum. Will miss you. Hope you'll stop by from time to time. You never know...
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Re: Sent the HS30 back...

Yes I will come back when I get the X-S1 for sure guys...HS30 just doesn't accomplish the IQ, and maybe Joms is right I don't know what I am doing with it...it is a bit quirky, but I am probably more accustom to the FZ Series than the HS Series (Had the HS10 prior)...

I don't shoot RAW maybe that is what is required for HS Series to get ultimate IQ?
I just made a set and linked here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46756347@N08/sets/72157631404367384/

Word of warning Flickr does something with upscaling at 2048 X 1456 so I would avoid that size and use the originals...they can be downloaded as well...
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jcmarfilph Veteran Member • Posts: 7,592
Re: Sent the HS30 back...

LTZ470 wrote:

Yes I will come back when I get the X-S1 for sure guys...HS30 just doesn't accomplish the IQ, and maybe Joms is right I don't know what I am doing with it...it is a bit quirky, but I am probably more accustom to the FZ Series than the HS Series (Had the HS10 prior)...

I don't shoot RAW maybe that is what is required for HS Series to get ultimate IQ?
I just made a set and linked here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46756347@N08/sets/72157631404367384/

Word of warning Flickr does something with upscaling at 2048 X 1456 so I would avoid that size and use the originals...they can be downloaded as well...
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FlickR Photostream:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46756347@N08/

You don't need RAW to match the IQ of FZ200. You did not equalize settings, exposure, distance etc.

You don't shoot HS30 at full zoom to shoot macro.

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Re: Sent the HS30 back...

jcmarfilph wrote:

LTZ470 wrote:

Yes I will come back when I get the X-S1 for sure guys...HS30 just doesn't accomplish the IQ, and maybe Joms is right I don't know what I am doing with it...it is a bit quirky, but I am probably more accustom to the FZ Series than the HS Series (Had the HS10 prior)...

I don't shoot RAW maybe that is what is required for HS Series to get ultimate IQ?
I just made a set and linked here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46756347@N08/sets/72157631404367384/

Word of warning Flickr does something with upscaling at 2048 X 1456 so I would avoid that size and use the originals...they can be downloaded as well...
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FlickR Photostream:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46756347@N08/

You don't need RAW to match the IQ of FZ200. You did not equalize settings, exposure, distance etc.

You don't shoot HS30 at full zoom to shoot macro.

Yes that would be great Joms but how can you get that close to a Grasshopper that is already in flight? Do you think the FZ200 got up close?...lol...can't even get close to these guys at all as they fly away...
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Re: Sent the HS30 back...

Yes I am afraid if you look through my FlickR that you will indeed find the FZ200 very capable after I figured out the correct settings...didn't have the camera rigged to shoot the birds after they landed either, shot off tripod with a fluid ball...5.5 AF Burst...Soccer photos not as good as FZ150 as it was just practice not a game, but the zoom lever on the side of then lens barrel does in fact allow you to frame and actuate shutter at the same time...so while not perfect it does work decently...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46756347@N08/sets/72157631350896076/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46756347@N08/sets/72157631350910940/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46756347@N08/sets/72157631371035280/
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jcmarfilph Veteran Member • Posts: 7,592
Re: Sent the HS30 back...

LTZ470 wrote:

jcmarfilph wrote:

LTZ470 wrote:

Yes I will come back when I get the X-S1 for sure guys...HS30 just doesn't accomplish the IQ, and maybe Joms is right I don't know what I am doing with it...it is a bit quirky, but I am probably more accustom to the FZ Series than the HS Series (Had the HS10 prior)...

I don't shoot RAW maybe that is what is required for HS Series to get ultimate IQ?
I just made a set and linked here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46756347@N08/sets/72157631404367384/

Word of warning Flickr does something with upscaling at 2048 X 1456 so I would avoid that size and use the originals...they can be downloaded as well...
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You don't need RAW to match the IQ of FZ200. You did not equalize settings, exposure, distance etc.

You don't shoot HS30 at full zoom to shoot macro.

Yes that would be great Joms but how can you get that close to a Grasshopper that is already in flight? Do you think the FZ200 got up close?...lol...can't even get close to these guys at all as they fly away...

What I am saying is, to get the optimum macro result, use the recommended 150mm FL Macro mode settings at 3-6 inches distance. It will give higher magnification macro than any superzoom to date.

Your comparisons showed that FZ200 had better exposures and way off settings and HS30 was underexposed so you cannot conclude that FZ200 is better with 1 or 2 incorrect comparisons.

You need to learn HS30 just like what you did with FZ150 and FZ200.

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Re: Sent the HS30 back...

jcmarfilph wrote:

LTZ470 wrote:

jcmarfilph wrote:

LTZ470 wrote:

Yes I will come back when I get the X-S1 for sure guys...HS30 just doesn't accomplish the IQ, and maybe Joms is right I don't know what I am doing with it...it is a bit quirky, but I am probably more accustom to the FZ Series than the HS Series (Had the HS10 prior)...

I don't shoot RAW maybe that is what is required for HS Series to get ultimate IQ?
I just made a set and linked here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46756347@N08/sets/72157631404367384/

Word of warning Flickr does something with upscaling at 2048 X 1456 so I would avoid that size and use the originals...they can be downloaded as well...
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FlickR Photostream:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46756347@N08/

You don't need RAW to match the IQ of FZ200. You did not equalize settings, exposure, distance etc.

You don't shoot HS30 at full zoom to shoot macro.

Yes that would be great Joms but how can you get that close to a Grasshopper that is already in flight? Do you think the FZ200 got up close?...lol...can't even get close to these guys at all as they fly away...

What I am saying is, to get the optimum macro result, use the recommended 150mm FL Macro mode settings at 3-6 inches distance. It will give higher magnification macro than any superzoom to date.

Your comparisons showed that FZ200 had better exposures and way off settings and HS30 was underexposed so you cannot conclude that FZ200 is better with 1 or 2 incorrect comparisons.

You need to learn HS30 just like what you did with FZ150 and FZ200.

FlickR Photostream:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46756347@N08/

I afraid we'll have to agree to disagree Joms...YOU will not get within 6" of these grasshoppers unless they are dead...so HS30 is INCAPABLE of getting the same IQ as the FZ200 or FZ150 in this reagrd...#2 I don't NEED to learn anything about the HS30 to tell it does not have as good of IQ as the FZ200 I have been taking photographs long enough to know the difference...lol...I am getting older and losing my vision, but I ain't blind...lol...

The latest photos I have taken prove that the HS30 is still lacking in several areas, but if that is "the" camera for you then please by all means have at it...I think you "NEED" to learn to use the FZ200 and then come back and comment if you are an honest man...I used BOTH and have tried BOTH have you? So who do you think folks are going to believe?
Here is a beginner with an FZ200:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/okkie68/
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jcmarfilph Veteran Member • Posts: 7,592
Re: Sent the HS30 back...

It doesn't matter if you have it for 1 hour or 1day. What matters is if you have used correctly and compared it correctly. You failed on that, and only a fool will believe that camera A is better than camera B.

Here is your FZ200 at ISO-125

Here is HS30 at ISO-800

And here is HS10 at ISO-400

So which is a better camera?

LTZ470 wrote:

jcmarfilph wrote:

LTZ470 wrote:

jcmarfilph wrote:

LTZ470 wrote:

Yes I will come back when I get the X-S1 for sure guys...HS30 just doesn't accomplish the IQ, and maybe Joms is right I don't know what I am doing with it...it is a bit quirky, but I am probably more accustom to the FZ Series than the HS Series (Had the HS10 prior)...

I don't shoot RAW maybe that is what is required for HS Series to get ultimate IQ?
I just made a set and linked here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46756347@N08/sets/72157631404367384/

Word of warning Flickr does something with upscaling at 2048 X 1456 so I would avoid that size and use the originals...they can be downloaded as well...
--
FlickR Photostream:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46756347@N08/

You don't need RAW to match the IQ of FZ200. You did not equalize settings, exposure, distance etc.

You don't shoot HS30 at full zoom to shoot macro.

Yes that would be great Joms but how can you get that close to a Grasshopper that is already in flight? Do you think the FZ200 got up close?...lol...can't even get close to these guys at all as they fly away...

What I am saying is, to get the optimum macro result, use the recommended 150mm FL Macro mode settings at 3-6 inches distance. It will give higher magnification macro than any superzoom to date.

Your comparisons showed that FZ200 had better exposures and way off settings and HS30 was underexposed so you cannot conclude that FZ200 is better with 1 or 2 incorrect comparisons.

You need to learn HS30 just like what you did with FZ150 and FZ200.

FlickR Photostream:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46756347@N08/

I afraid we'll have to agree to disagree Joms...YOU will not get within 6" of these grasshoppers unless they are dead...so HS30 is INCAPABLE of getting the same IQ as the FZ200 or FZ150 in this reagrd...#2 I don't NEED to learn anything about the HS30 to tell it does not have as good of IQ as the FZ200 I have been taking photographs long enough to know the difference...lol...I am getting older and losing my vision, but I ain't blind...lol...

The latest photos I have taken prove that the HS30 is still lacking in several areas, but if that is "the" camera for you then please by all means have at it...I think you "NEED" to learn to use the FZ200 and then come back and comment if you are an honest man...I used BOTH and have tried BOTH have you? So who do you think folks are going to believe?
Here is a beginner with an FZ200:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/okkie68/
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The Big One Veteran Member • Posts: 4,564
Re: Sent the HS30 back...

Nice to see the FZ200 is shaping up to be a good camera. Had they been the same price I would have opted for that over the HS30 (that constant f/2.8 zoom looks nice!), but unfortunately it is a $150 difference here. Plus, I really like the handling of the HS30 (much of it is very similar to my D7000 so my fingers don't have to re-learn; for instance, the on/off switch and the zoom are the same. I suppose I really should experiment with back-button focusing as well, although it doesn't seem quite as nice as AF-On on the Nikons

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Re: Sent the HS30 back......lol...you picking on the first shots out of the FZ200 Jom

Still using the same old photos eh Boms...why don't you show us some new ones without the camera rigged up on a fence to get so close...lol...why do you keep showing ISO 800? FZ200 has a f/2.8 lens?...

A few new ones for you Boms...ALL jpegs...lol....I took off tripod didn't have to rig the camera on remote or anything...just captured on a fluid ball head...

Here is HS30 at ISO-800

And here is HS10 at ISO-400

So which is a better camera? Boms

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Re: Sent the HS30 back......lol...you picking on the first shots out of the FZ200 Jom

LTZ470 wrote:

Still using the same old photos eh Boms...why don't you show us some new ones without the camera rigged up on a fence to get so close...lol...

I have hungry friend eating at ISO-400

Camera Fujifilm FinePix HS30EXR
Exposure 0.01 sec (1/105)
Aperture f/5.6
Focal Length 126 mm
ISO Speed 400
Exposure Bias -0.33 EV
Flash Off, Did not fire

why do you keep showing ISO 800? FZ200 has a f/2.8 lens?...

Yeah a constant mushy f/2.8 lens lol.

A few new ones for you Boms...ALL jpegs...lol....I took off tripod didn't have to rig the camera on remote or anything...just captured on a fluid ball head...
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8456/7890215698_57c2401fc2_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8038/7890209666_127bf9ce45_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8300/7890183516_5483aeacb0_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8037/7890184602_62df783430_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8319/7890196540_9b4586c87a_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8301/7890200936_15d6d297c2_b.jpg

Here is HS30 at ISO-800

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7132/7672410584_49ae9c4b15_h.jpg

And here is HS10 at ISO-400

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8435/7884055982_be2a21519a_k.jpg

So which is a better camera? Boms

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As good as my ISO-400 and 800 shots so not bad considering you had the opportunity to shoot them at 3-5 meters without them knowing you were there.

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Billx08 Forum Pro • Posts: 11,373
Zoom zoom zoom. Mush mush mush.

jcmarfilph wrote:

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I have hungry friend eating at ISO-400

Camera Fujifilm FinePix HS30EXR
Exposure 0.01 sec (1/105)
Aperture f/5.6
Focal Length 126 mm
ISO Speed 400
Exposure Bias -0.33 EV
Flash Off, Did not fire

And you're actually touting that as a good example? Unless that's a major crop, it's yet another HS20/HS30 photo that doesn't do fur very well. That break you took was far too short. You've returned showing no learning, just the same old same old.

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Re: Sent the HS30 back......lol...you picking on the first shots out of the FZ200 Jom

jcmarfilph wrote:

LTZ470 wrote:

Still using the same old photos eh Boms...why don't you show us some new ones without the camera rigged up on a fence to get so close...lol...

I have hungry friend eating at ISO-400

Camera Fujifilm FinePix HS30EXR
Exposure 0.01 sec (1/105)
Aperture f/5.6
Focal Length 126 mm
ISO Speed 400
Exposure Bias -0.33 EV
Flash Off, Did not fire

why do you keep showing ISO 800? FZ200 has a f/2.8 lens?...

Yeah a constant mushy f/2.8 lens lol.

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Lol...like your Moon Shot...love that soft feeling the HS30 gives it Bomer...

Notice you didn't comment on none of the other FZ200 shots either...lol...does that "crow" taste good...

If I tell you the "Moon is made out of cheese Boms you just get some crackers boy"...and bring a little wine...I like wine with my cheese and crackers...lol...

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Billx08 wrote:

jcmarfilph wrote:

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I have hungry friend eating at ISO-400

Camera Fujifilm FinePix HS30EXR
Exposure 0.01 sec (1/105)
Aperture f/5.6
Focal Length 126 mm
ISO Speed 400
Exposure Bias -0.33 EV
Flash Off, Did not fire

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8425/7876290040_a0b7faae0a_b.jpg

And you're actually touting that as a good example? Unless that's a major crop, it's yet another HS20/HS30 photo that doesn't do fur very well. That break you took was far too short. You've returned showing no learning, just the same old same old.

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Re: Sent the HS30 back......lol...you picking on the first shots out of the FZ200 Jom

LTZ470 wrote:

So which is a better camera? Boms

I dunno, but I like your panny images a lot.

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