Lenovo Carbon X1 - could this be the best laptop for a working photographer

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Billx08 Forum Pro • Posts: 11,373
Re: Lenovo Carbon X1 - could this be the best laptop for a working photographer

Enthusiast Photographer wrote:

I work in the worldwide organization, so what I have is pre-production and might not be announced here in the US.

Honestly, it might be useful to look at some benchmarks between i5 and i7 - I'm not sure it is a massive deal.

I agree, the performance difference might be hard to notice between a 4GB i5 and a 4GB i7, but the i5 with 8GB should be considerably better for editing large, multi-layer photos and might run cooler and have slightly better battery life than a 4GB i7.

orsetto New Member • Posts: 4
Re: Lenovo Carbon X1 - could this be the best laptop for a working photographer

Billx08 wrote:

A google search found several reviews as well as threads in the Lenovo forums that confirmed what I posted earlier, which is that only one of the i5 models includes 8GB soldered on the system board. The i7 model only comes with 4GB, but if you wait long enough, who knows, it may change. Here are quotes from two of the sources :

Thanks. I have been following there. I checked with a Lenovo rep today and they said i7/8GB might be available in October. I've seen this posted in some review comments or forum

Enthusiast Photographer wrote:

Honestly, it might be useful to look at some benchmarks between i5 and i7 - I'm not sure it is a massive deal.

Yes I think not huge difference but I've purchased underpowered machines before and hope not to make the same mistake with this one. I like the form factor and want as much power as I can get in it. Crossing toes and fingers for October (or sooner)

amateurphotographer OP Regular Member • Posts: 474
Re: Lenovo Carbon X1 - could this be the best laptop for a working photographer

Hi all,

This is doing my head in chosing a laptop for work. It seems like there is no perfect laptop at the moment for photographers. So I have to prioritise 1st (screen colour) - for art work shoots + tethered corporate work on location, 2) portability 3) power for LR4 and PS editting, also speed for download sometimes 2000-3000 raw files.

The X1 I can't find any details on % of sRGB or aRGB. Enthusuast Photographer have you tried to colour calibrate the x1, if yes , how was it? I researched HP Envy, some issues to colour calibration, Asus UX31A only 4 RAM and soldered onto motherboard! Samsung series 9 13.3inch 900x3c-a01 great display but 4RAM but 1600MHz- soldered - otherwise a possibility? MBP15 - feels weighty to me. X230 looks great spec but only 12.5 screen. I am leaning toward Sony Vaio Z3 - mainly because of the anti reflective 96% adobe. The 1920x1080 is probably too high for my eyes, so could lower the resolution to something similar to the x1. Screen is 13.1, a tad smaller than i would like. Lightweight enough to sneak in when carrying all my gear on the plane as hand luggage. Power seems enough juice and 8 RAM. If the Sony Z3 was 14inch! wow wow! MBP retina - has issues with LR and CS, also I need to Power Point stuff and Word/Excel stuff which has to be 100% compatible with client, so I guess Apple is out. MS said no updates for the office suits for retina.

I feel that every laptop company has bits and pieces to offer for the ultimate laptop, yet at the moment they don't exist in one laptop. Guess 2013 will be an exciting one for photographers.

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Gale Bizet Forum Pro • Posts: 15,266
Spin your head around these

I have a 17" 8gb i7

The ones listed are 15 but powerful..

Really good price.

Alot less than mine

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/search.asp?keywords=asusnseries

Or go to the Asus website and see what eles they have. When I bought mine i researched all the notebooks I could find and took my time...

I have had mine for 2 years now. Powerhouse. Will handle anything you thow at it.
I got it as a desktop replacement. Run photoshot , etc etc...

Better warranty and have had good service, and fast.
Have an ASUS netbook also..

Hummm I would consider you a Pro..lol

Nikon Gal
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Re: Lenovo Carbon X1 - could this be the best laptop for a working photographer

I'm in a similar boat. I travel the world by bicycle and I'm looking for an ultrabook that allows me to edit on the road. Weight is obviously a determining factor for me. I was so waiting for the X1 carbon to come out and I was dead disappointed just now when I saw 8gb but not on i7 and the i5 with 8gb still being 300usd more than the MacBook Air @ 8gb!
and 4GB seems to be too little to deal with the D800 files.....
So i don't know what to do.... yet

amateurphotographer wrote:

Hi all,

This is doing my head in chosing a laptop for work. It seems like there is no perfect laptop at the moment for photographers. So I have to prioritise 1st (screen colour) - for art work shoots + tethered corporate work on location, 2) portability 3) power for LR4 and PS editting, also speed for download sometimes 2000-3000 raw files.

The X1 I can't find any details on % of sRGB or aRGB. Enthusuast Photographer have you tried to colour calibrate the x1, if yes , how was it? I researched HP Envy, some issues to colour calibration, Asus UX31A only 4 RAM and soldered onto motherboard! Samsung series 9 13.3inch 900x3c-a01 great display but 4RAM but 1600MHz- soldered - otherwise a possibility? MBP15 - feels weighty to me. X230 looks great spec but only 12.5 screen. I am leaning toward Sony Vaio Z3 - mainly because of the anti reflective 96% adobe. The 1920x1080 is probably too high for my eyes, so could lower the resolution to something similar to the x1. Screen is 13.1, a tad smaller than i would like. Lightweight enough to sneak in when carrying all my gear on the plane as hand luggage. Power seems enough juice and 8 RAM. If the Sony Z3 was 14inch! wow wow! MBP retina - has issues with LR and CS, also I need to Power Point stuff and Word/Excel stuff which has to be 100% compatible with client, so I guess Apple is out. MS said no updates for the office suits for retina.

I feel that every laptop company has bits and pieces to offer for the ultimate laptop, yet at the moment they don't exist in one laptop. Guess 2013 will be an exciting one for photographers.

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Enthusiast Photographer Regular Member • Posts: 117
Re: Lenovo Carbon X1 - could this be the best laptop for a working photographer

amateurphotographer wrote:

Hi all,

This is doing my head in chosing a laptop for work. It seems like there is no perfect laptop at the moment for photographers. So I have to prioritise 1st (screen colour) - for art work shoots + tethered corporate work on location, 2) portability 3) power for LR4 and PS editting, also speed for download sometimes 2000-3000 raw files.

The X1 I can't find any details on % of sRGB or aRGB. Enthusuast Photographer have you tried to colour calibrate the x1, if yes , how was it? I researched HP Envy, some issues to colour calibration, Asus UX31A only 4 RAM and soldered onto motherboard! Samsung series 9 13.3inch 900x3c-a01 great display but 4RAM but 1600MHz- soldered - otherwise a possibility? MBP15 - feels weighty to me. X230 looks great spec but only 12.5 screen. I am leaning toward Sony Vaio Z3 - mainly because of the anti reflective 96% adobe. The 1920x1080 is probably too high for my eyes, so could lower the resolution to something similar to the x1. Screen is 13.1, a tad smaller than i would like. Lightweight enough to sneak in when carrying all my gear on the plane as hand luggage. Power seems enough juice and 8 RAM. If the Sony Z3 was 14inch! wow wow! MBP retina - has issues with LR and CS, also I need to Power Point stuff and Word/Excel stuff which has to be 100% compatible with client, so I guess Apple is out. MS said no updates for the office suits for retina.

I feel that every laptop company has bits and pieces to offer for the ultimate laptop, yet at the moment they don't exist in one laptop. Guess 2013 will be an exciting one for photographers.

Hi - sorry I lost track of this thread. I haven't tried to callibrate the screen. All I can tell you is I've been impressed by it - sharp and good colors.

For portability, there is nothing else out there at under 3lb with a 14" screen.

I do run LR and PS on this box, and it seem to run it fine. Generally I'd go i5/8GB over i7/4GB if you have to choose. I've seen rumors on forums that there will be an i7/8GB here in the US, but I can't confirm any of that. I don't run D800 files, so I'm not much help on performance.

As for speed of download, it has USB 3.0, and that makes a huge difference. It does have a card reader. I haven't actually used it - I have a USB 3.0 card reader and was so in the habit. I'll try to do a test at some point, but net is you have options.

It has a terrific (backlit) keyboard and the best trackpad I've ever used (including on Apple). For precision, I far prefer the TrackPoint (the little eraser thing). You get both. I have to say the trackpad is getting more and more use, which I never saw happening. Lots of the ultrabooks I've tested have pretty terrible keyboards...

Lastly, this thing is built like a tank! It passes the same durability tests all the other ThinkPads pass and has the same 8 milspec rating as they do. No other ultrabook currently passes any milspecs (which are US military ratings for dust, impact, humidity, high/low temperature, etc.). Go check out some of the consumer ultrabooks - open the lid and twist them in your hands (don't go crazy unless you want to pay for it though). The X1 Carbon is just...strong.

Anyway, I'll ask around about the screen callibration. My brother-in-law had a really serious accident over the weekend, and I've spent most of the last several days helping my sister out (and will be back there today), so it may be a few days before I can respond.

Ultimately, I'd be surprised if there is a better option in this weight-range (there are 3lb 13" and 3.6lb 14" out there) for durability, performance, comfort of daily use, etc. I do work for the company, but I try not to be blind to the competitors.

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amateurphotographer OP Regular Member • Posts: 474
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Enthusiast Photographer wrote:

Anyway, I'll ask around about the screen callibration. My brother-in-law had a really serious accident over the weekend, and I've spent most of the last several days helping my sister out (and will be back there today), so it may be a few days before I can respond.

Ultimately, I'd be surprised if there is a better option in this weight-range (there are 3lb 13" and 3.6lb 14" out there) for durability, performance, comfort of daily use, etc. I do work for the company, but I try not to be blind to the competitors.

Enthusiast Photographer - Sorry to hear about your bro-in-law, wish him well.

I ended up getting the Sony Vaio Z, mainly becuase of screen 96% aRGB (which i did some simple tests with test charts), weight of the machine - and still bearable with the sheet battery, with the 600g sheet battery provides 16hrs battery so they say, speed is awesome, windows rating 6.5. Comes with external Blueray burner which i will need to burn DVD on location. The keyboard is so so and so is the tracks pad, which i guess X1 will be better. Benefits over MBP15 are weight and also compatibility with windows products. I would be still interested to see how well the screen on the X1 calibrated and how the colours compared to some standard test colour charts, but you will need print outs to do a true comparison. All the best. At least I have a machine i can do some work on now

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Jim Scarff Regular Member • Posts: 313
Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon's TN display is TERRIBLE for serious photo-editing

I was looking for light laptop to use for traveling that I could put Lightroom and Photoshop on. Reading the reviews I thought that the X1 Carbon would be the answer to my hopes. I bought one, but after struggling for several weeks with it, I am selling it, and upgrading my "old Thinkpad X220" with its IPS screen with an SSD drive0000.

After spending many hours comparing the Thinkpad X1 Carbon display with the IPS+ display on my X220, I reluctantly concluded that I CANNOT LIVE with the X1 Carbon for PHOTO-EDITING. The TN display tends to blow out highlights, create too much contrast, is too blue. The greatest problem is the hypersensitivity of the colors on X1 Carbon's display to slight variations in the vertical angle of the display. I found the display completely UNACCEPTABLE for photo-editing in Lightroom, even if these were to be temporary, preliminary edits until I got home. Skin tones almost always looked horrible and with blown highlights. The colors were so much better on my X220.

If you can get your hands on an X1 Carbon, look at the last few solid color pages of this test and vary the monitor angle and see the radical change in hue. http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/all_tests.php.

I bought a ColorMunki callibrator and callibrated the display several times, and that helped, but could do nothing to change the extreme hue changes with the display angle.

I guess all the glowing reviews about the "sharpness" of the high-resolution display came from reviewers who look mainly at documents or some YouTube videos.

So I am selling my X1 Carbon and keeping the X220.

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Re: Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon's TN display is TERRIBLE for serious photo-editing

Jim Scarff wrote:

I was looking for light laptop to use for traveling that I could put Lightroom and Photoshop on. Reading the reviews I thought that the X1 Carbon would be the answer to my hopes. I bought one, but after struggling for several weeks with it, I am selling it, and upgrading my "old Thinkpad X220" with its IPS screen with an SSD drive0000.

After spending many hours comparing the Thinkpad X1 Carbon display with the IPS+ display on my X220, I reluctantly concluded that I CANNOT LIVE with the X1 Carbon for PHOTO-EDITING. The TN display tends to blow out highlights, create too much contrast, is too blue. The greatest problem is the hypersensitivity of the colors on X1 Carbon's display to slight variations in the vertical angle of the display. I found the display completely UNACCEPTABLE for photo-editing in Lightroom, even if these were to be temporary, preliminary edits until I got home. Skin tones almost always looked horrible and with blown highlights. The colors were so much better on my X220.

If you can get your hands on an X1 Carbon, look at the last few solid color pages of this test and vary the monitor angle and see the radical change in hue. http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/all_tests.php.

I bought a ColorMunki callibrator and callibrated the display several times, and that helped, but could do nothing to change the extreme hue changes with the display angle.

I guess all the glowing reviews about the "sharpness" of the high-resolution display came from reviewers who look mainly at documents or some YouTube videos.

So I am selling my X1 Carbon and keeping the X220.

Jim, what gamut coverage does your Colormunki show for the X220's IPS panel.

I have yet to find a review that says it is anywhere near 94 to 100% coverage of the sRGB gamut. Most say around 66-67%. And it's the same for the newer X230.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X230-2306-2AU-Laptop-Review.75317.0.html

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For this reason, in the ultrabook class, I'm looking to the ASUS UX32VD with its' 1920x1080 IPS panel and near 100% coverage of the sRGB space.  It also has a discrete Nvidia GPU vs the Intell 4000 of the X220/X230.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Asus-Zenbook-UX32VD-Ultrabook.75591.0.html

Its' only drawback appears to be it is limited in RAM expandability but I can live with its' maximum.

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tanglemay Junior Member • Posts: 33
Re: Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon's TN display is TERRIBLE for serious photo-editing

Lenovo have not much to offer for the serious photographer in 21st century. The displays of their high end consumer Lenovo Y580 and their upper end flagship W Series are unfortunate examples of that! Shame on Lenovo for their crap displays and global configuration policies! Shame on Chinese IBM! Shame!

ssam Junior Member • Posts: 47
Re: Lenovo Carbon X1 - could this be the best laptop for a working photographer

amateurphotographer wrote:


1600x900 matte TN screen. Some sites say the screen is IPS. Seems reasonable for what I need. LR and PS still not updated to use retina. No details on Gammut. 300nits. Hope the screen can be calibrated using something like a spyder? Any ideas anyone

I just bought a x230 and am very happy with its IPS screen.

Its not very clear from the website, but when you customise a thinkpad you get a choice between a 'HD' and a 'HD premium' screen. the premium one is IPS. (you also choose between 2x2 and 3x3 wifi antenna, the 3x3 has no space for a webcam but has better reception (not had any trouble with 2x2 here)).

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