Which lens would you buy first?

Started Aug 2, 2012 | Discussions
PatMann
PatMann Senior Member • Posts: 1,746
Re: Which lens would you buy first?

If the OP is trying to cover a full range of focal lengths on DX, then 14mm is a long way from the wide end. I absolutely concur that 14mm is not particularly wide on DX.

To me, I want at least 12mm on DX for shooting architecture, tight urban spaces and interiors. 12mm gives almost a 90-degree angle across the width of the frame, enough to shoot an entire room from one corner. The 12-24 Nikkor is an outstanding lens, far superior for distortion to the FX zooms if used on FX for the same angle of coverage.
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marco1974 Senior Member • Posts: 1,763
Re: Which lens would you buy first?

Back in the days of film, a 24mm was already considered very wide, and a 20mm was in ultra-wide territory.

I wonder if the modern ultra-ultra-extra-mega-wide craze is ever going to end.
Probably not.
Oh, well.

M.

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tektrader Senior Member • Posts: 1,656
Re: Which lens would you buy first?

IMO look for a good used 70-200 VR1 which is just fine on a D7000 and spend the remainder (that you would have from buying a VR2) on a 12-24 F4 used for about $500.

Both are awesome lenses on the D7000

I had both till I moved to a D800. Still have the VR1 70-200 and it does me just fine.

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wasserball Veteran Member • Posts: 4,056
Best Prime

300mm f2.8 VRII
Great for candid portraits.

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el_migu_el Junior Member • Posts: 35
Re: Which lens would you buy first?

If you do plan to go FX one day I would go that route too, although starting with the longer lense - 70-200. The 14-24 and 24-70 are big and heavy and there are "alternatives" for DX. The 24-70 would give you a "strange" range of 36-105 while the 17-55 DX corresponds more or less to the 24-70 and is my general purpose lens on my D7000. Thus, if you do not prepare to go FX soon, I'd suggest to get the 70-200 and the 17-55 DX and/or a specialized wide-angle. As a side note: as you seem to like primes, you might consider other primes instead of zooms.

Greg Matthews Regular Member • Posts: 202
Re: Which lens would you buy first?

That depends entirely on what you shoot. My 16-85 is perfect 90% of the time on my D300 DX camera. 24 equiv is fine for what I shoot.

But more important, the holy trinity is a great combo on an FX body if your primary concern is sharpness and you intend to usually use a tripod. But not so much on DX. Too heavy, and ranges are designed for FX not DX. It is the best glass, but IMO a burdensome set on the D7000.

I will say on DX I would get the 24-70 LAST. 70-200 you will use all the time on DX, and actually that is a great lens in spite of being heavy. 24-70 is not really midrange on DX. You will IMO want the wide and tele end more with the choices you suggested.

I would get the 16-35 f4 not the 14-24, cheaper, and with the low light performance of the D7000, I think it would be fine and for me at least a more useful range leading to less lens changing. Or get the 16-85, and find just how versatile that range is and that you rarely want to put another lens on your camera, even though it is slower. My sample at least is very sharp.

YMMV. But that's my experience. My DX is D300. My FX is D800.
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Greg Matthews

Greg Matthews Regular Member • Posts: 202
Re: Which lens would you buy first?

Possibly, but only if you get a good deal on one. On my D800, the 70-200 VR1 I have which was wonderful on my D300 is only fair on my D800, even just off center it's just not that great. D7000 has the same pixel pitch as D800. And if you do ever go FX, I would not want a VR1 version. Actually, if you do decide on the VR1, I will sell you mine. It's a great copy, impeccable on my D300 everywhere. But just not very good on my D800.

Think about the future. Nikon seems to be leaning towards FX for the higher end of the market now, so you may end up with FX whether you want it or not in the not too distant future if you want better performance.
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Greg Matthews

tektrader Senior Member • Posts: 1,656
Re: Which lens would you buy first?

Greg Matthews wrote:

On my D800, the 70-200 VR1 I have which was wonderful on my D300 is only fair on my D800, even just off center it's just not that great.

Greg Matthews

Maybe your one isnt that great. My VR1 is pretty damn good on my D800. But then again managed t find a brand new one 12 months ago and I imagine they made some improvements toward the end of its run.

My copy is spectacularly good...... and doesnt focus breathe.

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Greg Matthews Regular Member • Posts: 202
Re: Which lens would you buy first?

I didn't think it was so bad until I did testing with a FF target ala the link I provided, and then the degradation was very easy to see.

The sharpest lens I have on the D800 is either my Tamron 90 or Nikkor 50 1.8D (stopped down). The 70-200 is just not as sharp as those away from the center. But I didn't mean to imply it's not usable. Compared to the 24-120 that I just returned, it's certainly better, especially in the contrast department.

Glad you got a good copy.
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Greg Matthews

tektrader Senior Member • Posts: 1,656
Re: Which lens would you buy first?

Greg Matthews wrote:

The sharpest lens I have on the D800 is either my Tamron 90 or Nikkor 50 1.8D (stopped down). The 70-200 is just not as sharp as those away from the center. But I didn't mean to imply it's not usable.

Funny, I had to sell my 50D 1.8, It was horrible. But the 50G 1.8 is really good.

I would put my 70-200 as being almost as good sharpness wise as the 50G prime.

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Greg Matthews Regular Member • Posts: 202
Re: Which lens would you buy first?

Mine is OK only if stopped down. Center, it's decent @ f2.8, as good as it's gong to get by f4. Edge, add another stop to that. So it's not a low light lens, just a sharp prime if stopped down. Glad to hear the 1.8G is better. I'm going to trade up, but will likely get a 85 1.8G first, as I would use that a lot more than the 50.
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Greg Matthews

Austin101 Senior Member • Posts: 1,410
Re: Which lens would you buy first?

Greg, for all the moaning you've been doing about lens performance on your D800 maybe it's time to suspect that your D800 is a lemon.

if you want tac sharp images viewed at 100% then I'd recommend the D800E rather than the D800.

Greg Matthews wrote:

Mine is OK only if stopped down. Center, it's decent @ f2.8, as good as it's gong to get by f4. Edge, add another stop to that. So it's not a low light lens, just a sharp prime if stopped down. Glad to hear the 1.8G is better. I'm going to trade up, but will likely get a 85 1.8G first, as I would use that a lot more than the 50.
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Greg Matthews

Greg Matthews Regular Member • Posts: 202
Re: Which lens would you buy first?

The comments you quoted had nothing to do with a D800. That was about my copy of a Nikkor 50 1.8D - it behaves that way on any camera.
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Greg Matthews

DSinghD700 New Member • Posts: 12
Re: Which lens would you buy first?

1) 24-70mm f/2.8
2) 70-200mm f/2.8
3) 85mm f/1.4 for FX or 50mm f/1.4G (or D) for DX
4) 14-24mm f/2.8
5) 105mm f/2.8 micro closeup lens
all nikons

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