E-M5 - Action speaks louder than words

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E-M5 - Action speaks louder than words

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Bigbob Irwin Contributing Member • Posts: 916
Re: E-M5 - Action speaks louder than words

Impressive! Don is this with CAF/Vivid/Raw ?

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Great series, but shot #2 and #3 are the same (Attacke3).

Seems like the one in the outer lane has decided to win !

What lens is this, and what AF settings ?

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Thx, the last 2 are impressive. Maybe i should give the 75-300 a try.
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OP DonParrot Veteran Member • Posts: 4,967
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Bigbob Irwin wrote:

Impressive! Don is this with CAF/Vivid/Raw ?

Hi BigBob - yes and no.
C-AF, vivid, IS 1 on, EVF-IS on - but JPEGs.

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Goffen wrote:

Great series, but shot #2 and #3 are the same (Attacke3).

Ups - thanks for the hint - uploaded the same pic twice.
Here comes Attacke 2

What lens is this, and what AF settings ?

C-AF without tracking - and the M.Zuiko 75-300.
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Ollie 2 Senior Member • Posts: 1,558
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Great series of sharp shots, Bob.

I’m uncertain as to what the title of the thread refers to.

Which action is speaking louder than whose words?

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Thx, the last 2 are impressive. Maybe i should give the 75-300 a try.
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Thanks Sabine.
Yes, you really should.

Testesd the 40-175 the other week as somebody told me it's the AF king of the mFT zooms. And it really is - but only when using the S-AF. In the C-AF mode, it can't match the performance of the M.Zuikos. I never had the 100-300 but I assume it will be the same.

Seems as if the video optimised Lumix lenses are better when it comes to a smooth C-AF performance for video while the M.Zuikos shine when it comes to shooting C-AF-ing fast action.
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Ollie 2 wrote:

Great series of sharp shots, Bob.

I’m uncertain as to what the title of the thread refers to.

Which action is speaking louder than whose words?

Hi Stan (lol),
I'm not called Bob but I don't mind.

What I wanted to say with the title was:

These action shots should make all those people who claim that shooting series of sports and action is impossible with the E-M5 eat their words.
Just shut it, guys! Go and practice for heaven's sake!
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tommiejeep Veteran Member • Posts: 6,072
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Don, I really appreciate your posts. Also those of Sabine, Tim , the link from Advertsam, and some others. I've only tried a few BIF and guys warming up for a soccer final with the Pany 100-300... lots of learning and practicing to do .

Many thanks. I've bookmarked quite a few posts . Unfortunately my Kite Surfing season ended before my OMD arrived ...high hopes . We'll go to HK next spring and hopefully I'll will be good enough for the Horses at Happy Valley or the new track.
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tommiejeep wrote:

Don, I really appreciate your posts. Also those of Sabine, Tim , the link from Advertsam, and some others. I've only tried a few BIF and guys warming up for a soccer final with the Pany 100-300... lots of learning and practicing to do .

Hi Tom, thanks for your kind words.

Although I hope that you will be able to achieve what you want with the Panny 100-300, I fear that this won't be the case. From all what I've experienced myself with other Panny lenses and from what I've read about the 100-300, the video optimised Panny lenses provide a smoother, more appropriate C-AF performance when it comes to shooting videos but for stills, the M-Zuikos apparently are better suited.

Many thanks. I've bookmarked quite a few posts . Unfortunately my Kite Surfing season ended before my OMD arrived ...high hopes . We'll go to HK next spring and hopefully I'll will be good enough for the Horses at Happy Valley or the new track.

Looking forward to see what you can do with the small beast.

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Re: E-M5 - Action speaks louder than words

DonParrot wrote:

Ollie 2 wrote:

Great series of sharp shots, Bob.

I’m uncertain as to what the title of the thread refers to.

Which action is speaking louder than whose words?

Hi Stan (lol),
I'm not called Bob but I don't mind.

What I wanted to say with the title was:

These action shots should make all those people who claim that shooting series of sports and action is impossible with the E-M5 eat their words.
Just shut it, guys! Go and practice for heaven's sake!
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100%, I would like to see more action from this cam.

Don, about to order this camera(against my better judgement LOL) anyway, is it possible to get a step-step of your settings, ie why evf is on? isnt that part of switching is on anyway? Also, c-af, what speed, 4-5 frames sec? etc etc.

I am encouraged, but now realise all my Panny lens may not be up to it, hmm.

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Alan_W1 Senior Member • Posts: 1,402
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These are excellent Don, and i think you personally are pushing this camera's action capabilities to its very limit......with fine results.

Although i don't think someone would specifically choose this camera for extreme/ regular action shooting, you certainly have shown that given certain situations its possible to gain top notch results.

It seems clear to me that this camera is certainly not suitable for serious BIF shooting, but maybe its not fair to expect m43 to capture all specialised areas {to dslr standards}, given that m43 is still in its infancy.

great stuff!!!!

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Thanks for sharing and showing the capabilities. And by the way what a pleasant thread so far. This is the way it is supposed to be.

Appreciate you sharing your knowledge.
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Alan_W1 wrote:

These are excellent Don, and i think you personally are pushing this camera's action capabilities to its very limit......with fine results.

Although i don't think someone would specifically choose this camera for extreme/ regular action shooting, you certainly have shown that given certain situations its possible to gain top notch results.

It seems clear to me that this camera is certainly not suitable for serious BIF shooting, but maybe its not fair to expect m43 to capture all specialised areas {to dslr standards}, given that m43 is still in its infancy.

I aggree.

Only a delusional fool will recommend the E-M5 as a dedicated sports and action cam but with the right settings, lenses and a little bit of practice you can get good results. This is what Don Parrot is trying to show here.

Problem with this forum is that most people only understand black and white. If you say the E-M5 can do sports and action, it must be on par with a dedicated sports and action DSLR. If you say a D4 or the likes is suited much better, people undertand this as "the E-M5 cannot do sports and action". In reality there is a lot of grey between black and white and the E-M5 is somewhere around 40% grey for me, .e. it is verywell useable but there are much better choices for this specific task.

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Adventsam wrote:

DonParrot wrote:

Ollie 2 wrote:

Great series of sharp shots, Bob.

I’m uncertain as to what the title of the thread refers to.

Which action is speaking louder than whose words?

Hi Stan (lol),
I'm not called Bob but I don't mind.

What I wanted to say with the title was:

These action shots should make all those people who claim that shooting series of sports and action is impossible with the E-M5 eat their words.
Just shut it, guys! Go and practice for heaven's sake!
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100%, I would like to see more action from this cam.

Don, about to order this camera(against my better judgement LOL) anyway, is it possible to get a step-step of your settings, ie why evf is on? isnt that part of switching is on anyway? Also, c-af, what speed, 4-5 frames sec? etc etc.

Hi Adventsam,
no problem.

I'm using vivid, FPS 'L' (4FPS as that's the highest rate available in 'L' and the C-AF won't work in H).

Contrast is set to +1, sharpness and saturation default - and yesterday I even switched the gradation to 'auto'. It's the first of my Oly cameras allowing you to do so without being 'rewarded' with heavy shadow noise.
Release prio (or is it called shutter prio, in English?) was switched 'on'.

And now to the IS. Please don't ask me why, but in the case of the E-M5, our DSLR experiences seem to be useless, in this case. According to my experiences, the IS increases the C-AF performance and this also applies to the EVF IS that has to be enabled extra. If you do so, the picture in the EVF also is stabilised if you half-press the release button. I believe that the stabilised EVF pictures makes it easier for the AF system to find the contrast lines it needs for AF-ing. But what do I know? I'm just a layman.

I am encouraged, but now realise all my Panny lens may not be up to it, hmm.

Yes, that's somewhat annoying - but fortunately, I don't need my 25 1.4 and the 14 2.5 for action shooting - and replacing a 45 - 200 or a 40-175 by a used M.Zuiko 40-150 even might result in having more money in your wallet than before having done so. The only real pain must be replacing the 100-300 by the 75-300 - particularly in the US where it's massively more expensive.

In Germany, the difference fortunately isn't that huge. I bought mine for €650 while the 100-300 would have cost me €499. Still quite a lot but having spent this extra money defintely has paid off, hasn't it?

I'm really asking myself what I could achieve with the little gem if Olympus would provide us per firmware update with an AF field that remains visible in the burst mode.

Altogether, my keeper rate yesterday was higher than last year with the E-5 at the so-called 'Every Dog Race', and there, I hadn't to cope with running sighthounds but just normal dogs.

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acahaya wrote:

Alan_W1 wrote:

These are excellent Don, and i think you personally are pushing this camera's action capabilities to its very limit......with fine results.

Although i don't think someone would specifically choose this camera for extreme/ regular action shooting, you certainly have shown that given certain situations its possible to gain top notch results.

It seems clear to me that this camera is certainly not suitable for serious BIF shooting, but maybe its not fair to expect m43 to capture all specialised areas {to dslr standards}, given that m43 is still in its infancy.

I aggree.

Only a delusional fool will recommend the E-M5 as a dedicated sports and action cam but with the right settings, lenses and a little bit of practice you can get good results. This is what Don Parrot is trying to show here.

Problem with this forum is that most people only understand black and white. If you say the E-M5 can do sports and action, it must be on par with a dedicated sports and action DSLR. If you say a D4 or the likes is suited much better, people undertand this as "the E-M5 cannot do sports and action". In reality there is a lot of grey between black and white and the E-M5 is somewhere around 40% grey for me, .e. it is verywell useable but there are much better choices for this specific task.

Exactly, Sabine and Adam. It defintely isn't a dedicated sports camera and I still have got my doubts if its C-AF would be fast enough to deliver if there was a fast f2.8 mFT Zoom. providing a far shallower DOF.

But if you are just an amateur such as me and want just one camera for all purposes, the E-M5 is good enough to deliver in this area, too. And that's what counts for me. Particularly as my doctors insist that keeping on carrying a heavy DSLR bag might be extremely bad for my back pains.
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ELLIOT P STERN wrote:

Thanks for sharing and showing the capabilities. And by the way what a pleasant thread so far. This is the way it is supposed to be.

Appreciate you sharing your knowledge.

Thanks for your kind words, Elliot. They are highly appreciated.
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acahaya wrote:

Only a delusional fool will recommend the E-M5 as a dedicated sports and action cam but with the right settings, lenses and a little bit of practice you can get good results. This is what Don Parrot is trying to show here.

True. I'm just waiting for millsart to drop by and make a comment about how many E-M5s will be at the Summer olympics. I imagine it won't take too long...

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Alan_W1 wrote:

These are excellent Don, and i think you personally are pushing this camera's action capabilities to its very limit......with fine results.

Although i don't think someone would specifically choose this camera for extreme/ regular action shooting, you certainly have shown that given certain situations its possible to gain top notch results.

It seems clear to me that this camera is certainly not suitable for serious BIF shooting, but maybe its not fair to expect m43 to capture all specialised areas {to dslr standards}, given that m43 is still in its infancy.

great stuff!!!!

Thanks Alan.
I replied to you and Sabine (Acahaya) in one go further down.

And yes - I believe you are right when it comes to shooting BIF. Unfortunately, I'm not able to add anything to experiences regarding this topic as I never shot BIF, to date. But from what i#ve read, a good tracking is particzularly helpful in this area - and the tracking of the E-M5 is - hmmm - how can I put it politely...? Well, for anything smaller than a car it sems to be rather useless.
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