m4/3 photos win ASMP - NJ juried show

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Ulfric M Douglas Veteran Member • Posts: 4,772
win ASMP - NJ juried show

Ed there's a lesson for all of us in your comments ;

Ednaz wrote:

First place. I think I have 20 different framings and angles of this,

... Shot probably 1500 images over an hour and a half ...

I came to this corner for three days trying to get the right people going down the right streets with the right light.

Me? I'm way to lazy to do any of that but let me applaud your dedication and intelligence.

Tell me about the prints : were they specified as to size and quality, does every entrant do what they feel is best or does the competition request certain paper/print/size?

OP (unknown member) Veteran Member • Posts: 4,734
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We saw and photographed two different Yoruba performance groups, one in a nice theater space with fancy costumes, and the group that this photo is from. Rooftop of a building of one of the group's friends, they brought their kids, neighbors, we brought rum and sodas. The rooftop performance was the best by far. They believed (one of their friends was working on a large painting of the Easter stories that would a pall the vatican but was full of the interesting reinterpretation of Christianity I learned while there.)

The meal we had at la guarida is one of the best I've ever had anywhere in the world. Incredible kitchen talent.

OP (unknown member) Veteran Member • Posts: 4,734
Re: win ASMP - NJ juried show

Size, subject, and medium (traditional film or digital) were free.

travelinbri_74
travelinbri_74 Senior Member • Posts: 2,802
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Truly amazing pics, some of the most amazing I have seen from M4/3! Thanks for sharing.

m43photo New Member • Posts: 22
Congratulations!

Amazing photos of an amazing place!

Congratulations,
JA

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Re: Adding grain.

Guy Parsons wrote:

Now I need to go and send Joe Mama/Joe Josephs/Great Bustard here as he told me I was silly to talk about needing to add noise/grain to prints to avoid the digital look.

I can't being to tell you how many soapbox lectures I've endured when I mention adding grain before printing. I learned it way back in Nikon D1 days. Is it absolutely necessary? Not for a lot of pictures, if you're printing 13x19 paper size and below, but even at that size it can help dampen down the effect of those creepy looking liquid smooth blue skies. When you get to larger print sizes, where capture resolution is 12mp or 16mp, it helps a lot. The only experience I have with high pixel count sensors is in medium format, and that experience was all studio work, where adding grain won't make much of a difference because there's a lot of detail in everything. A couple of 40mp and higher medium format shooters I know do add grain at print time, a couple don't.

For a long time people thought film captured more detail than digital because of the presence of grain in film. It wasn't capturing more detail at all, but when printed, there was a lot more detail - random grain patterns.

Bob Tullis
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Ednaz, I find these most captivating. Brilliant work on the dancer, the other natural light compositions are even more so for my tastes. The first particularly is the most impressive.

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ginsbu Senior Member • Posts: 1,420
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Congratulations! Wonderful images and very informative explanation.

I found your remarks on adding grain particularly interesting. I've found adding grain beneficial for noisy digital images myself: adding a little (usually coarse) grain can disrupt the look of digital noise, allowing me to go lighter on NR and retain more actual image detail. The old 12MP sensor gave me plenty of occasion for this! The E-M5 won't need it so much, but that's a good opportunity to experiment with adding grain to low-noise images as you suggest.

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Guy Parsons
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Re: Adding grain.

I first met this "need some grain added" effect when experimenting with my early 3MP and 5MP cameras and trying to print big.

When increasing past a certain print size there was a very sudden change from nice to bad because of that flat digital look. But doing the same with 35mm film prints you could print any size, even 5 feet wide and there was always some "detail" somewhere in the grain that you were looking at to give the eye and brain something to work with.

Now I find with test crops that an A2 print would work nicely from my 10 MP Panasonic LX3 or 12 MP Oly E-PL1, but the main thing now is that I never use noise filters in camera (mostly jpegs for me) and very rarely even do post process noise filtering. And of course err on the side of under-sharpen for both screen and print display (I hate that raspy digital look of the over-sharpened images I often see here). Only have A4 size printer at home so no real worries about print size any more anyway.

But thank you, it is nice to meet someone who knows the truth about printing and that some noise is often necessary. I get tired of the "must have no noise anywhere at all" brigade.

Regards............. Guy

Ednaz wrote:

I can't being to tell you how many soapbox lectures I've endured when I mention adding grain before printing. I learned it way back in Nikon D1 days. Is it absolutely necessary? Not for a lot of pictures, if you're printing 13x19 paper size and below, but even at that size it can help dampen down the effect of those creepy looking liquid smooth blue skies. When you get to larger print sizes, where capture resolution is 12mp or 16mp, it helps a lot. The only experience I have with high pixel count sensors is in medium format, and that experience was all studio work, where adding grain won't make much of a difference because there's a lot of detail in everything. A couple of 40mp and higher medium format shooters I know do add grain at print time, a couple don't.

For a long time people thought film captured more detail than digital because of the presence of grain in film. It wasn't capturing more detail at all, but when printed, there was a lot more detail - random grain patterns.

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