After all, the OM-D sensor is Panasonic and ..

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Aleo Veuliah
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After all, the OM-D sensor is Panasonic and ..
  • After all, my logical opinion (and some others) was right the OM-D sensor is Panasonic (same as on G3)

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" The camera is built around a 16MP Four Thirds sensor, which all out testing suggests may well be the same one seen in Panasonic's DMC-G3 . This can only be seen as a welcome step forward, as it's a much newer and more capable sensor. The sensor is combined with the company's latest, TruePic VI processor, which appears to bring the usual Olympus magic to the JPEGs. The company claims improved dynamic range and, with an newer sensor and better processing, it's reasonable to expect better performance in terms of noise. And, since dynamic range is the range between highlights and a specified noise level, this would be considered a boost in dynamic range."

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Re: After all, the OM-D sensor is Panasonic and ..
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Re: After all, the OM-D sensor is Panasonic and ..
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Re: Opss, sorry no edit ... And a Gold 80%
  • Sorry for the other empty posts, click on the Enter instead of the back, and also no edit, but what I want to say is I was glad to see the 80% and Gold on a Micro 4/3 camera

  • Well done Olympus

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Re: After all you were right Aleo

After all you were right Aleo

If Olympus made sensors, I don't mind to have a Panasonic with an Olympus sensor, and the contrary that is Olympus with Panasonic sensor should be no problem to the Olympus users assume this (talking about the many posts about the OMD sensor)

The important is the image quality

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Re: Opss, sorry no edit ... And a Gold 80%

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=41192514

Aleo Veuliah wrote:

  • Sorry for the other empty posts, click on the Enter instead of the back, and also no edit...

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Steen Bay Veteran Member • Posts: 6,974
Re: After all, the OM-D sensor is Panasonic and ..

Aleo Veuliah wrote:

  • After all, my logical opinion (and some others) was right the OM-D sensor is Panasonic (same as on G3)

Dpreview text:

" The camera is built around a 16MP Four Thirds sensor, which all out testing suggests may well be the same one seen in Panasonic's DMC-G3 . This can only be seen as a welcome step forward, as it's a much newer and more capable sensor. The sensor is combined with the company's latest, TruePic VI processor, which appears to bring the usual Olympus magic to the JPEGs. The company claims improved dynamic range and, with an newer sensor and better processing, it's reasonable to expect better performance in terms of noise. And, since dynamic range is the range between highlights and a specified noise level, this would be considered a boost in dynamic range."

Richard is probably just guessing, like the rest of us. The E-M5 sensor can very well be based upon the G3 sensor, but especially the base ISO (raw) DR seems to have been improved quite a bit.

Aleo Veuliah
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Re: After all, the OM-D sensor is Panasonic and ..

Steen Bay wrote:

Aleo Veuliah wrote:

  • After all, my logical opinion (and some others) was right the OM-D sensor is Panasonic (same as on G3)

Dpreview text:

" The camera is built around a 16MP Four Thirds sensor, which all out testing suggests may well be the same one seen in Panasonic's DMC-G3 . This can only be seen as a welcome step forward, as it's a much newer and more capable sensor. The sensor is combined with the company's latest, TruePic VI processor, which appears to bring the usual Olympus magic to the JPEGs. The company claims improved dynamic range and, with an newer sensor and better processing, it's reasonable to expect better performance in terms of noise. And, since dynamic range is the range between highlights and a specified noise level, this would be considered a boost in dynamic range."

Richard is probably just guessing, like the rest of us. The E-M5 sensor can very well be based upon the G3 sensor, but especially the base ISO (raw) DR seems to have been improved quite a bit.

Yes they have done a good job, but I think Dpreview is not guessing, they just can not say It is a Panasonic sensor, maybe they are not allowed

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acahaya
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Re: After all, the OM-D sensor is Panasonic and ..

Dpreview text:

"The camera is built around a 16MP Four Thirds sensor, which all out testing suggests may well be the same one seen in Panasonic's DMC-G3*. "

Aleo,
this is the same old text as in the preview, nothing new here.

Presonally i couldn't care less who designed and who builds the sensor ... as long as i like its performance, which i do.

But "suggests may well be" has a slightly different meaning than "we know that it is" and i'm sorry to say that it proves nothing, we are all still guessing.

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Aleo Veuliah
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Re: After all, the OM-D sensor is Panasonic and ..

acahaya wrote:

Dpreview text:

"The camera is built around a 16MP Four Thirds sensor, which all out testing suggests may well be the same one seen in Panasonic's DMC-G3*. "

Aleo,
this is the same old text as in the preview, nothing new here.

Presonally i couldn't care less who designed and who builds the sensor ... as long as i like its performance, which i do.

But "suggests may well be" has a slightly different meaning than "we know that it is" and i'm sorry to say that it proves nothing, we are all still guessing.

Yes they have not made a real statement that it is ... I like the performance also, but with so much conversation about it, I am on the mission to discover it

If it is Panasonic like I think, only show the good job Olympus have done

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krishtr Regular Member • Posts: 174
Re: After all, the OM-D sensor is Panasonic and ..

Regarding the sensor, I would still wait for DXO numbers. If its indeed the G3, the numbers should be exactly similar. The RAW output from EM-5 seems to be much ahead of G3 and hence my reservations. I did not see any specific tests on the DPR review page that concurs with this assertion.
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Re: Opss, sorry no edit ... And a Gold 80%

Aleo Veuliah wrote:

  • Sorry for the other empty posts,

Well, you're up to 411 so far this week! (sorry, couldn't resist ;))

All the best

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Aleo Veuliah
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Re: After all, the OM-D sensor is Panasonic and ..

krishtr wrote:

Regarding the sensor, I would still wait for DXO numbers. If its indeed the G3, the numbers should be exactly similar. The RAW output from EM-5 seems to be much ahead of G3 and hence my reservations. I did not see any specific tests on the DPR review page that concurs with this assertion.

DXO is better for this, true ... but the RAW output can be better due to the processing engine. but I am not a guru on this ...

Anyway it is good to see they have done a good job on the image quality

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Raist3d Forum Pro • Posts: 35,676
I don't buy it.

After the dcraw analysis, this can't be a G3 sensor.

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Re: After all, the OM-D sensor is Panasonic and ..

Aleo Veuliah wrote:

krishtr wrote:

Regarding the sensor, I would still wait for DXO numbers. If its indeed the G3, the numbers should be exactly similar. The RAW output from EM-5 seems to be much ahead of G3 and hence my reservations. I did not see any specific tests on the DPR review page that concurs with this assertion.

DXO is better for this, true ... but the RAW output can be better due to the processing engine. but I am not a guru on this ...

Yes, but as pointed out the difference can't be huge. You can't extract over 1 full stop DR just by cooking the same data the other camera gets.

Anyway it is good to see they have done a good job on the image quality

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Aleo Veuliah
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Re: I don't buy it.

Raist3d wrote:

After the dcraw analysis, this can't be a G3 sensor.

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What makes you say that ? Can not the good processing engine be responsible for the different results ? I think it is that, but let's continue the mission

BTW, your name, Ricardo, is a Portuguese, Italian or Brazilian right ?

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Re: As usual with humor :) but I explain Brian

Brian Mosley wrote:

Aleo Veuliah wrote:

  • Sorry for the other empty posts,

Well, you're up to 411 so far this week! (sorry, couldn't resist ;))

All the best

Brian

True Brian, but I don't care much about that, I think yesterday was 450 ... I am working at home now on remote assistance and some other things, I have time to have an eye here and there

I really like to communicate here on this forum, and see all that is said and enjoy much to see and comment images, it is much better than facebook and other places, at least to me

But soon, I hope I have to do some professional photography for a catalog, and then I will be not here so much and the number is going to decrease, for a good reason, I need really to do more photography than working on computers

The errors here on posting, were in fact due to error on hitting the enter, and my cat is responsible also, he was here and passed trough the keyboard, and there is still no Edit ...

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stimmer Veteran Member • Posts: 5,138
Nope, it's not..

They said that in their preview a long time ago.

Even if it was (and it's not), Olympus changed so many things that it's performing entirely differently. Then you throw in the image processor on top of that.

But Ricardo is right. Even with the improved electronics surrounding the sensor, image processor, there's no way to get that much dynamic range improvement.

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So, you're guessing...

Aleo Veuliah wrote:

..., but I think Dpreview is not guessing, ...

... that Dpreview is not guessing... what a lot of guesses

Just kidding

You may be right, but you may be wrong! Only Olympus and Panasonic know who make the OM-D sensor, and maybe another manufacturer knows too

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Aleo Veuliah
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Re: Nope, it's not..

stimmer wrote:

They said that in their preview a long time ago.

Even if it was (and it's not), Olympus changed so many things that it's performing entirely differently. Then you throw in the image processor on top of that.

But Ricardo is right. Even with the improved electronics surrounding the sensor, image processor, there's no way to get that much dynamic range improvement.

Maybe ... but

"The sensor is combined with the company's latest, TruePic VI processor, which appears to bring the usual Olympus magic to the JPEGs. The company claims improved dynamic range and, with an newer sensor and better processing, it's reasonable to expect better performance in terms of noise. And, since dynamic range is the range between highlights and a specified noise level, this would be considered a boost in dynamic range."

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