Depressed since E-M5 is perfect. Nothing to look forward to.

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photo perzon
photo perzon Veteran Member • Posts: 4,313
Depressed since E-M5 is perfect. Nothing to look forward to.

Just check out the latest comparison with Steve Huff. The E-M5 always with better colors and focus than Fui Pro and Sony NEX7.

http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2012/04/27/more-fun-comparisons-fuji-x-pro-1-vs-olympus-om-d-vs-sony-nex-7-jpeg/

It just that there was always one more camera to buy to improve. But the E-M5 is so perfect. Great size, colors, fast AF, accurate focus, great IS, flip LCD, great LCD, etc.

Thank God for lenses. Now I can concentrate on getting the m4/3 lenses.

This is a sad time for camera collectors. Its like after the E-M5 all improvements were in it already.

The only improvement is lower prices by 50%.

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Goffen
Goffen Veteran Member • Posts: 3,298
Perfect? They can start by...

Replacing the completely unneeded and annoying pasm wheel with a builtin flash

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Macx Senior Member • Posts: 1,433
Re: Depressed since E-M5 is perfect. Nothing to look forward to.

Hehe, the E-M5 does tick a lot of boxes. But there is always room for improvement, don't worry. Here is what would be my wish-list for the next generation OM-D. I don't expect all my wishes to come true.

In no particular order:

  • LR4 level in-camera development and optional tiff/jpeg-xr output

  • Raw mode with more tunable controls with regards to colour metering etc.

  • Tethered (or wireless) control and live video output

  • Microphone and headphone sockets with live and automatically adjustable audio levels

  • High speed video

  • Custom modes on the mode dial

  • Bracketing on the control menu / control panel

  • Pdaf by way of sensor or adapter

  • Trap focus

  • Time-lapse

  • Focus peaking

  • Double sdhc slots with the ability of mirroring, striping, encryption

  • 1/8000 second shutter time

  • Lower base iso (isn't s-sat 120 possible with the current sensor?)

  • Faster imaging processor

  • Better calibration tools for the display and evf

  • Bigger magnificatiion, higher resolution evf

  • Sensor shifted multi-exposure

  • Smaller rear display to give room for ergonomically better rear controls

  • Battery grip doubles as charger

  • Orientation sensor also rotates display information

  • XZ-1 style customisable mount ring

  • Black metallic finish, cognac coloured leatherette.

  • Level-automated guidelines for perspective control on the display or viewfinder

  • Accessory port extension cable

  • Integrated wifi / bluetooth / gps

  • Anti-theft system

  • Silver hot-shoe and dials on the silver body

  • IR LEDs for invisible wireless flash control

  • Eye controlled AF point selection

  • A clever way of communicating focal length of legacy lenses to the camera

  • Options for inputting ISO, f-ratio and shutter speed "soft" limits and preferred ranges

  • Electronic shutter option

I'm sure I'm forgetting something... Well, I'm actually very happy with my E-M5, but even if the sensor technology stays the same (and it won't) the next generation can still find room for improvement.

Moti Veteran Member • Posts: 7,154
Re: Depressed since E-M5 is perfect. Nothing to look forward to.

photo perzon wrote:

Just check out the latest comparison with Steve Huff. The E-M5 always with better colors and focus than Fui Pro and Sony NEX7.

Better focus? you must be joking.

Your last helicopter experience clearly shows that the E-M5 can't focus at all in low light. Every P&S camera would have done better.

M

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nzmacro
nzmacro Forum Pro • Posts: 13,289
It must be judging by your shots

photo perzon wrote:

Just check out the latest comparison with Steve Huff. The E-M5 always with better colors and focus than Fui Pro and Sony NEX7.

http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2012/04/27/more-fun-comparisons-fuji-x-pro-1-vs-olympus-om-d-vs-sony-nex-7-jpeg/

It just that there was always one more camera to buy to improve. But the E-M5 is so perfect. Great size, colors, fast AF, accurate focus, great IS, flip LCD, great LCD, etc.

Thank God for lenses. Now I can concentrate on getting the m4/3 lenses.

This is a sad time for camera collectors. Its like after the E-M5 all improvements were in it already.

The only improvement is lower prices by 50%.

Been looking at a few of your shots taken with it. Impressive !!. If it helped take those shots, I'm sold on it.

It is perfect in that case.

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Louis_Dobson
Louis_Dobson Forum Pro • Posts: 27,348
Re: Depressed since E-M5 is perfect. Nothing to look forward to.

What? It focused perfectly on what he was pointing it at.

Moti wrote:

photo perzon wrote:

Just check out the latest comparison with Steve Huff. The E-M5 always with better colors and focus than Fui Pro and Sony NEX7.

Better focus? you must be joking.

Your last helicopter experience clearly shows that the E-M5 can't focus at all in low light. Every P&S camera would have done better.

M

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Louis_Dobson
Louis_Dobson Forum Pro • Posts: 27,348
Re: Depressed since E-M5 is perfect. Nothing to look forward to.

Fuji looks a bit rough there! I'm sure it's not though.
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s_grins
s_grins Forum Pro • Posts: 11,031
Re: Depressed since E-M5 is perfect. Nothing to look forward to.

The end of the road?
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szlevi Contributing Member • Posts: 932
Re: Perfect? They can start by...

Couldn't care less about built-in flash, they always suck anyway, it's good they saved some weight instead.

Goffen wrote:

Replacing the completely unneeded and annoying pasm wheel with a builtin flash

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szlevi Contributing Member • Posts: 932
Proper video modes...

...because the current one is a mutt: 1080p30 stream saved into 1080i60 output?

And no 720p60means no chance to record anything fast eg sports and the bitrate is low... 1080p24 is missing, not to mention 1080p60, of course... some very high frame rate mode (even if at lower resolution) would be also nice..

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Raist3d Forum Pro • Posts: 35,734
Yes, the Fuji is much better than Steve made it out to be

better than the EM5 overall.

I don't know how much he played with the JPEG settings but I think he threw the X1 pro under a bus.

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rpm40
rpm40 Senior Member • Posts: 2,240
Re: Depressed since E-M5 is perfect. Nothing to look forward to.

Moti wrote:

photo perzon wrote:

Just check out the latest comparison with Steve Huff. The E-M5 always with better colors and focus than Fui Pro and Sony NEX7.

Better focus? you must be joking.

Your last helicopter experience clearly shows that the E-M5 can't focus at all in low light. Every P&S camera would have done better.

M

Your last post clearly shows you might not know everything about cameras..

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AV Janus Senior Member • Posts: 1,994
Re: Is that you Aleo? /nt

That list of possible features is great. They will surely come, but slowly.:-)

One thing: Trap focus? Doesn't that work already?
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Olymore
Olymore Senior Member • Posts: 1,659
Re: Yes, the Fuji is much better than Steve made it out to be

I think that's very subjective.
Better IQ yes though probably not noticeable at sane print sizes and ISOs.

Better controls, yes, in my opinion (I like traditional controls) though many would disagree.

Otherwise there are many advantages to the Olympus (AF, responsiveness, size) that would rule out the Fuji for many people.

In fact you regularly used to criticise the E3 because it could not compete with the opposition on many of these features.

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Jogger
Jogger Veteran Member • Posts: 8,441
Re: Depressed since E-M5 is perfect. Nothing to look forward to.

how about investing in photo lessons/courses as well (thats what im doing).

photo perzon wrote:

Just check out the latest comparison with Steve Huff. The E-M5 always with better colors and focus than Fui Pro and Sony NEX7.

http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2012/04/27/more-fun-comparisons-fuji-x-pro-1-vs-olympus-om-d-vs-sony-nex-7-jpeg/

It just that there was always one more camera to buy to improve. But the E-M5 is so perfect. Great size, colors, fast AF, accurate focus, great IS, flip LCD, great LCD, etc.

Thank God for lenses. Now I can concentrate on getting the m4/3 lenses.

This is a sad time for camera collectors. Its like after the E-M5 all improvements were in it already.

The only improvement is lower prices by 50%.

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Coby Regular Member • Posts: 205
Re: Depressed since E-M5 is perfect. Nothing to look forward to.

I'm looking forward to a model with decent video.

Len_Gee
Len_Gee Veteran Member • Posts: 9,492
Re: Depressed since E-M5 is perfect. Nothing to look forward to.

You will find your requests implemented on the OM-D E-M6. Look for it early next year?

Macx wrote:

Hehe, the E-M5 does tick a lot of boxes. But there is always room for improvement, don't worry. Here is what would be my wish-list for the next generation OM-D. I don't expect all my wishes to come true.

In no particular order:

  • LR4 level in-camera development and optional tiff/jpeg-xr output

  • Raw mode with more tunable controls with regards to colour metering etc.

  • Tethered (or wireless) control and live video output

  • Microphone and headphone sockets with live and automatically adjustable audio levels

  • High speed video

  • Custom modes on the mode dial

  • Bracketing on the control menu / control panel

  • Pdaf by way of sensor or adapter

  • Trap focus

  • Time-lapse

  • Focus peaking

  • Double sdhc slots with the ability of mirroring, striping, encryption

  • 1/8000 second shutter time

  • Lower base iso (isn't s-sat 120 possible with the current sensor?)

  • Faster imaging processor

  • Better calibration tools for the display and evf

  • Bigger magnificatiion, higher resolution evf

  • Sensor shifted multi-exposure

  • Smaller rear display to give room for ergonomically better rear controls

  • Battery grip doubles as charger

  • Orientation sensor also rotates display information

  • XZ-1 style customisable mount ring

  • Black metallic finish, cognac coloured leatherette.

  • Level-automated guidelines for perspective control on the display or viewfinder

  • Accessory port extension cable

  • Integrated wifi / bluetooth / gps

  • Anti-theft system

  • Silver hot-shoe and dials on the silver body

  • IR LEDs for invisible wireless flash control

  • Eye controlled AF point selection

  • A clever way of communicating focal length of legacy lenses to the camera

  • Options for inputting ISO, f-ratio and shutter speed "soft" limits and preferred ranges

  • Electronic shutter option

I'm sure I'm forgetting something... Well, I'm actually very happy with my E-M5, but even if the sensor technology stays the same (and it won't) the next generation can still find room for improvement.

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Anders W Forum Pro • Posts: 21,466
Re: Depressed since E-M5 is perfect. Nothing to look forward to.

Macx wrote:

Hehe, the E-M5 does tick a lot of boxes. But there is always room for improvement, don't worry. Here is what would be my wish-list for the next generation OM-D. I don't expect all my wishes to come true.

In no particular order:

  • LR4 level in-camera development and optional tiff/jpeg-xr output

  • Raw mode with more tunable controls with regards to colour metering etc.

  • Tethered (or wireless) control and live video output

  • Microphone and headphone sockets with live and automatically adjustable audio levels

  • High speed video

  • Custom modes on the mode dial

  • Bracketing on the control menu / control panel

  • Pdaf by way of sensor or adapter

  • Trap focus

  • Time-lapse

  • Focus peaking

  • Double sdhc slots with the ability of mirroring, striping, encryption

  • 1/8000 second shutter time

  • Lower base iso (isn't s-sat 120 possible with the current sensor?)

  • Faster imaging processor

  • Better calibration tools for the display and evf

  • Bigger magnificatiion, higher resolution evf

  • Sensor shifted multi-exposure

  • Smaller rear display to give room for ergonomically better rear controls

  • Battery grip doubles as charger

  • Orientation sensor also rotates display information

  • XZ-1 style customisable mount ring

  • Black metallic finish, cognac coloured leatherette.

  • Level-automated guidelines for perspective control on the display or viewfinder

  • Accessory port extension cable

  • Integrated wifi / bluetooth / gps

  • Anti-theft system

  • Silver hot-shoe and dials on the silver body

  • IR LEDs for invisible wireless flash control

  • Eye controlled AF point selection

  • A clever way of communicating focal length of legacy lenses to the camera

  • Options for inputting ISO, f-ratio and shutter speed "soft" limits and preferred ranges

  • Electronic shutter option

I'm sure I'm forgetting something... Well, I'm actually very happy with my E-M5, but even if the sensor technology stays the same (and it won't) the next generation can still find room for improvement.

Good list Macx. You have an inventive mind.

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Pikme Senior Member • Posts: 2,162
Re: Yes, the Fuji is much better than Steve made it out to be

Raist3d wrote:

better than the EM5 overall.

Anyone else who made such blanket statements without ever owning or using either camera would be slammed (with you leading the pack of slammers), but you seem to get away with such ridiculous things. I guess you are a forum mascot of sorts.

I have no doubt the Fuji is better at SOME things (overall IQ, e.g.), but Steve - who has used both cameras enough to know something - has shown the E-M5 is also better at SOME things (low light focus, e.g.). Users can decide for themselves which things are more important for their own uses.

You are as free as anyone else to express your own opinions, but it rankles when you project yourself as the know-it-all EXPERT about all things photographic when you clearly are not. You are just another amateur gear head, no different than most anyone else with opinions. Hyperbole is hyperbole, I would think someone who is always 'educating' the fanboys would be more careful to avoid it himself.

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