5D3 DxOMark Score

Started Apr 19, 2012 | Discussions
marike6 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,088
5D3 DxOMark Score

After much talk about how long it was taking for DxOMark to test the 5D3, they have completed the test.

Perhaps as expected, the only real change is better High ISO (Sports) score. As many here were predicting, it did not overtake the D800 and D4.

5D Mk II
1815 ISO
11.9 EVs DR
23.7 Color Depth

5D Mk III
2239 ISO
11.7 EVs DR
24 bits color depth

D800
2835 ISO
14.4 EVs DR
25.3 bits Color Depth

D4
2965 ISO
13.1 EVs
24.7 bits Color Depth

Overall score was 81.

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Camera-Sensor-Ratings

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dmanthree Veteran Member • Posts: 8,003
Re: 5D3 DxOMark Score

Thanks for the link, but I've learned to take the DxO ratings with a HUGE grain of salt. While they can offer a glimpse into what a sensor is capable of, the number of factors that can affect the final quality of an image can far outweigh the numerical abilities of the sensor. Focus, exposure, range of light in the scene, ISO, post processing, and the like will also have a pronounced effect on the image.

I admit that the increase in 'sports' score is more than I would have guessed. And can anyone explain the decrease in DR (by their measurements)? Makes no sense, really.

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Stepanfo Senior Member • Posts: 1,246
Re: 5D3 DxOMark Score

I see no score there...

If your information is correct, then this:

2008 5DmkII overall 79
2012 5DmkIII overall 81

does not look good at all.

I mean, what were they doing all that years?

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Re: 5D3 DxOMark Score

So, D800 scores better than 5D3 in ISO? We should stop believing our eyes, I guess.
Thanks for the laugh. Those people are bunch of jokers.
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jenbenn Regular Member • Posts: 214
Re: 5D3 DxOMark Score

Well, looking at the raw files from the Mark III I can indeed see no real progress over the Mark II. No need for DXO here. The main progress seems to be in the jpg engine which easily achieves a two stop improvement.

Leaving these real life observation aside, I have to say the DXO delivers perhaps the most useless and practically irrellevant testing of any site. Their point scores often suggest stark differences in image quality which I have never observed in practice.

Their lens test are downright absurd. Take for example the resolution graph for the 16-35 MM II L. DXO claim that at 16mm the lens becomes LESS sharp when stopping it down. E.G. at f/2.8 the image borders are sharper than at f/5.6. This is plain stupid, wrong , against my personal exprience, contrary to all other tests and above all contrary to all optical logic. It also cannot be a mistake as I have pointed the mistake out to dxo. Their only reaction was to delete my comment and ignore my email.

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birdbrain Veteran Member • Posts: 3,526
Re: 5D3 DxOMark Score

jenbenn wrote:

Well, looking at the raw files from the Mark III I can indeed see no real progress over the Mark II. No need for DXO here.

Erm may I suggest a visit to the opticians may be in order?

Or perhaps an upgrade on your monitor would help?

As I can see a marked improvement myself.

The main progress seems to be in the jpg engine which easily achieves a two stop improvement.

Leaving these real life observation aside, I have to say the DXO delivers perhaps the most useless and practically irrellevant testing of any site. Their point scores often suggest stark differences in image quality which I have never observed in practice.

Their lens test are downright absurd. Take for example the resolution graph for the 16-35 MM II L. DXO claim that at 16mm the lens becomes LESS sharp when stopping it down. E.G. at f/2.8 the image borders are sharper than at f/5.6. This is plain stupid, wrong , against my personal exprience, contrary to all other tests and above all contrary to all optical logic. It also cannot be a mistake as I have pointed the mistake out to dxo. Their only reaction was to delete my comment and ignore my email.

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Re: 5D3 DxOMark Score

aftab wrote:

So, D800 scores better than 5D3 in ISO? We should stop believing our eyes, I guess.
Thanks for the laugh. Those people are bunch of jokers.

What do you expect they are French after all!

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Stepanfo Senior Member • Posts: 1,246
Re: 5D3 DxOMark Score

jenbenn wrote:

... contrary to all optical logic.

There is no such thing as "optical logic". Lenses are VERY complex optical systems and their behaviour may sometimes seem counterintuitive to somebody who knows nothing about complex optics.

dbm305 Senior Member • Posts: 1,749
5D3 DxOMark Score have vanished

Now they've gone from the DXO site.

What's happening here????

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Re: 5D3 DxOMark Score

Wow. If this is true. I am definitely going to wait it out with my 5D2.

EDIT
That sucks that the low light score was below the D800
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Eugeniu Sofroni Regular Member • Posts: 245
Re: 5D3 DxOMark Score have vanished

dbm305 wrote:

Now they've gone from the DXO site.

What's happening here????

they realized they are retarded

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plasnu Regular Member • Posts: 310
Re: 5D3 DxOMark Score have vanished

I can't see it. The score is deleted?

jenbenn Regular Member • Posts: 214
Re: 5D3 DxOMark Score

it is against optical logic since

1. no cosnumer lens/camera combination commercially available today is diffraction limited at f/2.8. Some m4/3 lens/camera cominations are limted at f5.6.

2. stopping down cuts off the light rays going through the outer regions of the lens, which are difficult to correct and usually do not focus as precisly as centre rays even in optical designs employing aspheric elements.

3. I have not encountered a single lens whose border resolution doesnt improve or at least stay the same on stopping down up until the diffration limit. There is no lens that suffers from a decrease in resolution on stopping down before reaching its diffraction limit (which is also depended on sensor). Some lenses however show an increase in CA on stopping down, but not in resolution.

jenbenn Regular Member • Posts: 214
Re: 5D3 DxOMark Score

Everyone makes his own assessment. I certainly cannot see any improvement which would be relevant. Not for small prints and certainly not for my gallery prints.

Stepanfo Senior Member • Posts: 1,246
Screenshots?

Does anybody have screenshots? They would back those numbers better.

sapperlot Forum Member • Posts: 59
Re: Screenshots?

I have no screen-shot, but these are the 5d3 scores I saw when they were online

iwannabesedated Senior Member • Posts: 1,596
Here are some screenshots

Stepanfo wrote:

Does anybody have screenshots? They would back those numbers better.

Seems Nikon Rumors snagged some screen shots: http://nikonrumors.com/2012/04/19/dxomark-verdict-nikon-d800-95-canon-5d-mark-iii-81.aspx/

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Stepanfo Senior Member • Posts: 1,246
No progress

No progress in last 5 years...

iwannabesedated Senior Member • Posts: 1,596
Comparison Screen Capture

From before numbers were yanked (for whatever reason):

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Re: 5D3 DxOMark Score

birdbrain wrote:

aftab wrote:

So, D800 scores better than 5D3 in ISO? We should stop believing our eyes, I guess.
Thanks for the laugh. Those people are bunch of jokers.

What do you expect they are French after all!

Not sure what being French has to do with anything, but I imagine that if the 5D3 had exceeded the D800 sensor performance, all the "DxOMark is bull-spit" talk would suddenly turn to praise for DxOMark.

I posted this because for weeks there were posts asking "When will DxOMark test the 5D3?". Now that it's out, why the sudden hatred for DxOMark testing methods?

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