5DIII or 1DsIII

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huskerss1 Regular Member • Posts: 293
5DIII or 1DsIII

I am using 5DII, and really would like better focus. Used 1Ds III are about the same price as 5DIII.

My needs.

Better focus in natural light. I photograph kids.

I don't care for high ISO.

What would you do?

I really appreceiate your input.

Best!

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SDRebel Senior Member • Posts: 1,489
Re: 5DIII or 1DsIII

I recently sold my 1DsIII and bought the 5DIII.

The 1DsIII remains a great piece of equipment. You'll get great photos with it, and it's built like a tank so it will last and last.

On the other hand, the 5DIII provides significantly upgraded technology.

Does it matter? Well, take a look at any book on the history of photography. The lesson is obvious. Both cameras will facilitate taking great photographs.

Yet, which would I buy? The answer is just as obvious.

huskerss1 OP Regular Member • Posts: 293
Re: 5DIII or 1DsIII

Thanks for your input. Is the focus on 5DIII as good as 1DsIII?

In AI Servo, when I use 5DII with 85 1.2L, I just miss so many moments. Maybe I need to learn how to use that lens properly..lol

Let me know what you think..

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keithinmelbourne Contributing Member • Posts: 706
Re: 5DIII or 1DsIII

I recently bought a new 1Ds3 at half price, which puts it at the same price point as the 5D3. I previously had a 1D3 and a 5D2 (which I still have). One thing I did notice was that the 1D3 was able to drive the 85L and 50L much more efficiently than the 5D2. I know that the 5D2 has lousy outer AF points, but the centre point is very strong and accurate. Nevertheless, it does not seem to be able to power an 85L in the same way that a 1D body does. I believe that this may have something to do with the batteries. To cut a long story short, the 1Ds3 is still an awesome camera, which has meant that my 5D2 is hardly used. I am not sure how well the 5D3 drives heavy glass, but I would check it out before going there too quickly.
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Felipe Rodríguez Veteran Member • Posts: 3,041
Re: 5DIII or 1DsIII

Same experience for me. However, I've sold the 1Ds3 and my new 5D3 will hopefully come in a few days...

And, apart from what it's already stated, don't forget that the 1Ds doesn't take footage...

keithinmelbourne wrote:

I recently bought a new 1Ds3 at half price, which puts it at the same price point as the 5D3. I previously had a 1D3 and a 5D2 (which I still have). One thing I did notice was that the 1D3 was able to drive the 85L and 50L much more efficiently than the 5D2. I know that the 5D2 has lousy outer AF points, but the centre point is very strong and accurate. Nevertheless, it does not seem to be able to power an 85L in the same way that a 1D body does. I believe that this may have something to do with the batteries. To cut a long story short, the 1Ds3 is still an awesome camera, which has meant that my 5D2 is hardly used. I am not sure how well the 5D3 drives heavy glass, but I would check it out before going there too quickly.
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chrismosk Senior Member • Posts: 2,249
Re: 5DIII or 1DsIII

if you don't care for high iso, get the 1dsIII, I have both, my 5d IIII will probably be my go to camera now, but the 1ds III is a beautiful system and yes the AF is great, though I feel the 5d's is a tad better but have only tested for about one month. The 1ds has more options, much better weather sealing, more metering options and other pro features that are useful and a better yet more expensive battery system.
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KAllen Veteran Member • Posts: 3,839
Re: 5DIII or 1DsIII

huskerss1 wrote:

I am using 5DII, and really would like better focus. Used 1Ds III are about the same price as 5DIII.

My needs.

Better focus in natural light. I photograph kids.

I don't care for high ISO.

What would you do?

I really appreceiate your input.

Best!

I spent a couple of evenings on a hillside pointing at the town below with a 5DII and my 1DsmkIII seeing which did a better job in the dark. The 5DII won easily, my 1DsmkIII got easily confused with pinpoints of light, the 5D had greater success.

So I have always thought the 5D had better focusing. Then you read DPReview and everyone is complaining about the 5D focusing, refering to the "5D focusing problem". When I had a night job to shoot I would borrow a 5DII. I have never been 100% happy with the 1DsIII focusing. I think the new 5D is the better bet from all the reports I have seen,the 1DskIII is ok and works more than it doesn't, but it's nothing special.

Kevin.

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Re: 5DIII or 1DsIII

huskerss1 wrote:

I am using 5DII, and really would like better focus. Used 1Ds III are about the same price as 5DIII.

My needs.

Better focus in natural light. I photograph kids.

I don't care for high ISO.

What would you do?

I really appreceiate your input.

Best!

How about light leak. Do you care about light leaking from back or top panel that will change your metering?

huskerss1 OP Regular Member • Posts: 293
Re: 5DIII or 1DsIII

I am not sure what light leak will do at this point.

Like most children photographers, focus is way too important. Now if you guys are saying that 5DIII focus is as good as 1DsIII, then there is no question in my mind. I will buy 5DIII. (once these issues are resolved).

But all of my work is in natural light. Almost never in the evening.

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chrismosk Senior Member • Posts: 2,249
Re: 5DIII or 1DsIII

I would say it is as good if not better.
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Hans Kruse Veteran Member • Posts: 3,369
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Well, that's a very unfair and inaccurate characterization of the 1Ds mkIII focus system. I used the 5D which has the same Af system as the 5D mkII and although the 5D AF works well with the center AF point I would use the same expression and say that the 1Ds mkIII wins easily over the 5D (mkII). I would not rule out that there could be situations where the 5D focus better, but I have not come across them. I have used both extensively for all kinds of shooting. What I have found is that the 1Ds mkIII is incredibly accurate in focus and fast too. I have no experience with the 5D mkIII but would expect it is in the same league as the 1Ds mkIII give the new AF system borrowed from the 1DX.

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chrismosk Senior Member • Posts: 2,249
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I agree with Hans, I have the original 5d which has the same system as the 5d mk II and hands down the 1ds mk III killed it (in every scenario) I have ever encountered. Now the 5d MK III is so far for me, better in all AF scenarios (outer points), AI servo, sports, etc.
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Colin K. Work Veteran Member • Posts: 3,190
Re: 5DIII or 1DsIII

Compared to the 1DIII (which I think is essentially the same AF as the 1DsIII, I'd definitely go with the 5D3.

I suspect in some cases the IDIII may be slightly faster, but it is much more 'tempermental' and difficult to optimise. When dealing with unpredicatable and erratic subjects (eg kids or pets) I am convinced you will get far more sharp shots with the 5DIII - in such situations, my 1DIII would produce an frustrating combination of tack sharp shots and complete misses (yes, I know its all about tailoring the 1DIII, but that's the point, in the real world the 5DIII is simply more useable).

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KAllen Veteran Member • Posts: 3,839
Re: 5DIII or 1DsIII

Hans Kruse wrote:

Well, that's a very unfair and inaccurate characterization of the 1Ds mkIII focus system. I used the 5D which has the same Af system as the 5D mkII and although the 5D AF works well with the center AF point I would use the same expression and say that the 1Ds mkIII wins easily over the 5D (mkII). I would not rule out that there could be situations where the 5D focus better, but I have not come across them. I have used both extensively for all kinds of shooting. What I have found is that the 1Ds mkIII is incredibly accurate in focus and fast too. I have no experience with the 5D mkIII but would expect it is in the same league as the 1Ds mkIII give the new AF system borrowed from the 1DX.

I have found (I know others which say the same) the 1DsmkIII gets confused with bright light, something like a road with backlit Sun would often throw the camera way off.

Night shooting from a helicopter it is very hit or miss. The 5DII I've used is not as quick but generally gets it right.

I had other issues, it had two trips back to Canon, they claim it's within spec, so I conclud after shooting with it for a number of years in lots of lighting conditions, it's good but not great. I think the latest models will beat it hands down.

If fast accurate focussing was the reason I wanted a new camera the X or 5DIII would be top of the list and not DsIII.

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John Mason Veteran Member • Posts: 5,646
I've owned both - vote for 5d3

I've had 3 of the 1ds's as each came out then the 5d2 and now the 5d3.

The body build is slightly better on the 1ds3. The 5d3 is way better than the 5d2.

The AF is better on the 5d3. From what I've read the AF system is the same as the yet unreleased 1dx except with one processor instead of two because of the frame rate difference. 6fps of the 5d3 is working great for me.

I have an old 133x Kingston 16gb card and get 15 shots with raw only turned on and 7 with raw and large Jpeg turned on.

I've got a card coming in today that's a 600x that should quadruple those numbers from what I read at a table at another web site that has tested all manner of cards.

I prefer the body size of the 5d3 to the 1ds3.

The other difference that I noticed on the 1ds3 to 5d2 which have the same sensor is that the 5d2 has a flourine coating to the AA filter and was much better at dust control than the 1ds3 was.

Color and metering and WB are better on the 5d3 too besides just the iso and dr capability.
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huskerss1 OP Regular Member • Posts: 293
Re: 5DIII or 1DsIII

I was all set to buy 1DsIII from ebay this week, and now I must hold off

As you guys are saying, autofocus of 5d3 is as good as 1ds3. Then I must wait for these minor issues to be resolved by Canon to buy 5d3.

For now, my 2 5D2 bodies are doing what they need to do to make money for me.

I know, we always want a bit more ...lol

Thanks for input!

Dave Seeley Contributing Member • Posts: 890
Re: 5DIII or 1DsIII

I was considering buying a used 1DsIII in December, when they were selling used for close to their original purchase price on eBay - I believe, because of skepticism over the 1Dx, and no new stock of the 1DsIII. Bear in mind, that the 1Dx had long been announced, and that many thought it would ship imminently - at the time. It has been the availability of the 5DmarkIII that has cut the price of used 1DsIII's down from 5k to 3.5K.... Nothing has changed on the 1Dx front...other than a hard ship date.

The price drop is likely due to 1DsIII owners moving to the 5DmarkIII, and selling their 1DsIII's on eBay... That's a pretty strong endorsement of 5DmarkIII over 1DsIII by prior flagship owners. I'd expect the trend to continue, and the price of 1DsIII's will continue to drop.

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huskerss1 OP Regular Member • Posts: 293
Re: I've owned both - vote for 5d3

Very helpful! Thanks!

Hans Kruse Veteran Member • Posts: 3,369
Re: 5DIII or 1DsIII

I have used min for 4 years and I do have this experience as mentioned.

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huskerss1 OP Regular Member • Posts: 293
Re: 5DIII or 1DsIII

very useful insight dave. thanks!

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