Juji x pro 1 jpeg Wrong red

Started Apr 10, 2012 | Discussions
snapper1967 Contributing Member • Posts: 673
Re: Juji x pro 1 jpeg Wrong red

abolit wrote:

I'm not sure if it really matters much. It's a default setting for Fuji X Pro 1 (std)
The Fuji has to address this issue, not us, working around this problem.

That's exactly what the problem is. The manufacture makes the defective product , the consumers pay their money for half-backed product full with quirks and bugs.

We , the consumers, are pulling our hair trying different settings to make the images look better.... in the meantime Fuji is counting the profit...
Shouldn't happen in the first place...

Kinda like them putting it out there with AF issues. Then saying after the fact they're working on getting it better? We are always sucked into this. We get poorer while they get richer.

Asylum Photo wrote:

If you could provide us EXIF info on both images, it'd help us make suggestions for a work around until Fuji comes forward with a fix for the issue.

That is, if you're interested.

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loekids Regular Member • Posts: 393
Re: Juji x pro 1 jpeg Wrong red

abolit wrote:

I'm not sure if it really matters much. It's a default setting for Fuji X Pro 1 (std)
The Fuji has to address this issue, not us, working around this problem.

Maybe you need to try to reduce the contrast setting (and might be the saturation) in the cam. Std setting might have the contrast and saturation in the middle.
In fact I don't see that much of X-pro 1 pics with blown/strange reds.

But yes, Fuji needs to address this.

Petteri Sulonen Forum Pro • Posts: 24,585
Re: No, it isn't...

abolit wrote:

You're right Peter! Leica summmicron 50 2.0 just sucks in comparison to fuji 35 1.4

Hardly. But whatever the explanation, DOF isn't it. Perhaps you focused at different distances?

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Petteri Sulonen Forum Pro • Posts: 24,585
Re: No, it isn't...

abolit wrote:

So, what do you guys think? Is Fuji going to address this red color issue?
Does X100 have the same problem?

I don't think Fuji is going to address it. They seem to go for "pleasing" over "accurate" when it comes to color. So as far as Fuji's concerned, it's not an issue, it's a feature.

On the other hand, I think it's highly likely Adobe Lightroom will address it, and if they don't do so out of the box, it'll certainly be possible to create your own color profile there.

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CriticalI Senior Member • Posts: 1,777
Re: Juji x pro 1 jpeg Wrong red

All colours in this are oversaturated, even the blue. I suggest reducing overall saturation and seeing how it looks, or pick another profile.

And which one is "right"?

The blue in the other car is also a different hue.

abolit wrote:

Hi guys,
Just wanted to share with you some test results:

The provided image speaks for itself. Something's wrong with rendering red color in Fuji X pro 1 jpeg engine.

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Asylum Photo
Asylum Photo Senior Member • Posts: 1,277
Re: Juji x pro 1 jpeg Wrong red

I agree, that if it's a common problem, Fuji needs to fix it.

But at the same time, while we wait, we can work around it possibly. Hence why you should post the EXIF info, and we can start working on intermediate solutions. You want better images from your camera, right? I know I certainly do.

abolit wrote:

I'm not sure if it really matters much. It's a default setting for Fuji X Pro 1 (std)
The Fuji has to address this issue, not us, working around this problem.

That's exactly what the problem is. The manufacture makes the defective product , the consumers pay their money for half-backed product full with quirks and bugs.

We , the consumers, are pulling our hair trying different settings to make the images look better.... in the meantime Fuji is counting the profit...
Shouldn't happen in the first place...

Asylum Photo wrote:

If you could provide us EXIF info on both images, it'd help us make suggestions for a work around until Fuji comes forward with a fix for the issue.

That is, if you're interested.

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Petteri Sulonen Forum Pro • Posts: 24,585
Re: Juji x pro 1 jpeg Wrong red

He already announced elsewhere that he's sending it back, so I don't think learning to use it better is very high on his list of priorities. Methinks we may be wasting our time here.

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CriticalI Senior Member • Posts: 1,777
Easy one....

The XP1 has misfocused on the background. Compare sharpness of the number plates etc. XP1 can do much better....

Justin Sonfield wrote:

Are we going to address the much more impressive detail of the grass and background in the xpro shot?

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Asylum Photo
Asylum Photo Senior Member • Posts: 1,277
Re: Juji x pro 1 jpeg Wrong red

Ahhh, I see.

I would love to recreate a test like this sometime, using different film settings. Maybe I'll attempt something this weekend, but I'm not sure if I have anything red enough to pull this off.

Until we get Adobe support, I'm very interested in getting the most out of my jpegs, so that they are at least a little flexible for my post techniques.

Petteri Sulonen wrote:

He already announced elsewhere that he's sending it back, so I don't think learning to use it better is very high on his list of priorities. Methinks we may be wasting our time here.

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hellocrowley Senior Member • Posts: 1,282
Re: Juji x pro 1 jpeg Wrong red

The XP1 red has a magenta cast to it, and seems to have some softness/smearing.

Check out this thread http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&thread=41177730

justinwonnacott Contributing Member • Posts: 709
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The fuji picture was taken while it was raining, contrast and colour saturation are up as a result (like a glossy print versus a matte print) but there is a definite bias with the fuji to oversaturated reds.

The fuji image also appeears to be processed with higher contrast. I have found the jpg engine of the fuji to be . . . acceptable . . . . I usually shoot nothing but RAW and it is a drag not to have a useful RAW processor/DAM management tool for this camera.

Waiting for lightroom . . . to bring some peace.

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OP abolit Regular Member • Posts: 484
Re: Juji x pro 1 jpeg Wrong red

that's right. the camera is going back to B&H . They're currently closed for holidays.

I've already requested RMA but was advised to submit the return application later , when they reopen.

In the meantime I have been performing this test while having the camera and shared the result with the members of this forum.
it was not my intention to talk you out of buying the XP1.
If you feel this way - accept my apologies.

Peace and happy shooting!

Petteri Sulonen wrote:

He already announced elsewhere that he's sending it back, so I don't think learning to use it better is very high on his list of priorities. Methinks we may be wasting our time here.

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Roy Hoynes Regular Member • Posts: 163
Re: Juji x pro 1 jpeg Wrong red

abolit wrote:

I'm not sure if it really matters much. It's a default setting for Fuji X Pro 1 (std)
The Fuji has to address this issue, not us, working around this problem.

That's exactly what the problem is. The manufacture makes the defective product , the consumers pay their money for half-backed product full with quirks and bugs.

We , the consumers, are pulling our hair trying different settings to make the images look better.... in the meantime Fuji is counting the profit...
Shouldn't happen in the first place...

I would love it if you could post the origanal photos from both cameras?
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OP abolit Regular Member • Posts: 484
Re: Juji x pro 1 jpeg Wrong red

does anyone else experience the same red color channel issue?

It looks like I'm alone here trying to prove something that nobody is aware of..

Please step outside and shoot some red cars or subjects and you will see the whole thing yourself.

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fearofhummingbird Regular Member • Posts: 150
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I have noticed it. Seems a rare occurance but it can happen. I believe what is happening here is that the red channel is blown while the overall exposure is acceptable. I noticed this on the red channel histogram in my pp program. I typically have the camera dialed back 1/3 or 2/3 stops because I prefer the look. Reds look fine in that case.

MayaTlab0
MayaTlab0 Senior Member • Posts: 2,252
Re: Juji x pro 1 jpeg Wrong red

abolit wrote:

does anyone else experience the same red color channel issue?

It looks like I'm alone here trying to prove something that nobody is aware of..

Please step outside and shoot some red cars or subjects and you will see the whole thing yourself.

i've seen this in quite a sizeable lot of cameras before, but it's true that my X100 seems a little more prone than usual to blow the red channel, either in Jpegs or raw. I usually correct it in Lightroom by slightly shifting the red hue, either in calibration or in colour management. It may affect accuracy in some shots on the other hand, so it might be wise to use the slider with moderation.

Steve Besserman
Steve Besserman Regular Member • Posts: 123
Re: Juji x pro 1 jpeg Wrong red

I had s similar experience with my X10 on occasion. Also with the red channel on an otherwise well exposed image, set on the standard provia. There were several threads on DPR regarding the issue. Here's a link to one, and a search will lead to others. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1012&message=40798453&q=X10+over+saturated+reds&qf=m

There is also evidence of this in the X1 Pro, which showed up in some test shots done by Petteri Sulonen in his "Come to Think of It" blog. Scroll about halfway down to the Test Shots of the books. The top test shot exhibits an unusual rendering of the red letters "Gotlib" on the book binding. http://primejunta.blogspot.com/2012/03/rust-concrete-and-test-shots.html

It only appears in one of many shots, all taken under the same lighting and exposure conditions. This particular shot was with the 35mm wide open.
Petteri theorizes in the paragraph above the image:

"I have a hunch that's a demosaicing artifact due to the funky filter matrix Fuji uses. It's odd that it only appears on that photo and none of the others, although there's not a whole lot of sharpness difference between them."

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