where is the 16-80mm??

I dont get your psyche. you somehow felt that it's not worth investing on Samsung because they haven't released the 16-80 lens and consider the NEX to be a better investment because you think that they have a NEX-7 camera successor? a system which btw which still have very limited native lenses to offer compared to Samsung. where are you exactly heading with your argument? lens or camera?

both lens and cameras

to me look that some samsung marketing (annunce lens that disappear....impossible things to understand like NX200 1 year before NX20 instead of contrary...;spend money upgrading NX10 to NX11 without any improvment, was easier put the 20MP sensor inside NX11 ...; also the release of NX5 that was released without any sense...and cost also now MORE then a NX11...if you can find it..) its a metaphor and or a prediction of future who wait samsung owners...

anyway i m a little like Cartier bresson , 2 good primes are more enough for me...

anyway also about lens NEX actually has not such limited choice, the 2 sigma 19mm 2.8 and 30mm f2.8 will be added to the already 24mm 1.8 and 50mm 1.8 (i dont consider a lens the 16mm...i owned, just a bottle glass:-)

if you have ever owned a sigma DP1/DP2 you will understand how good are that 2 new primes (that are very similar....)

i talk about this..now i think already that samsung marketing is crazy ....

Ariston wrote:

I dont get your psyche. you somehow felt that it's not worth investing on Samsung because they haven't released the 16-80 lens and consider the NEX to be a better investment because you think that they have a NEX-7 camera successor? a system which btw which still have very limited native lenses to offer compared to Samsung. where are you exactly heading with your argument? lens or camera?

In case I have not understand your post because English is not my native language please forgive me.

I'm not a native speaker either, but he makes a lot of sense:

He owns three Samsung prime lenses, but because he shoots like Cartier-Bresson, who used most of the time just one lens, he only needs two primes. All right. And although he is a purist and only uses prime lenses, he will sell all his NX lenses if Samsung won't release a 16-80mm and get a Sony NEX, because Sony will release a successor to the NEX7 for sure! Sony doesn't have a 16-80mm either, but the marketing is far better!

Glad I could help.

yes maybe i dont must to do much methaphoric talk here :-)))

anyway 16-80mm i intended as a metaphor...of samsung marketing production style

i m much more interested to the 24mm f1.8 (that will replace both my 20mm 2.8 and 30mm f2)

anyway if i must choice for my style of phography between owning just 1 lens (24mm 1.8) or 2 lens (20mm f2.8 or 30mm f2) i go for the univeral 35mm (ok 36mm to be precise f1.8 lens...)

so i think that if they act like for the 16-80mm , also the 24mm it will never see the light

also another kind of meaning was for the cameras...i just meant that we will sure see a successor of NEX 7 that is already a very good camera, with a better sensor then nex 7

while i m not sure about samsung....i.e. my NX11 had a worst sensor (MUCH) then my GH2 (less resolution, more then 1 stop of noise)
...if you consider that its a lot bigger sensor...well no need more words

this is why i sold and kept just the primes...(very good lens)

In case I have not understand your post because English is not my native language please forgive me.

I'm not a native speaker either, but he makes a lot of sense:

He owns three Samsung prime lenses, but because he shoots like Cartier-Bresson, who used most of the time just one lens, he only needs two primes. All right. And although he is a purist and only uses prime lenses, he will sell all his NX lenses if Samsung won't release a 16-80mm and get a Sony NEX, because Sony will release a successor to the NEX7 for sure! Sony doesn't have a 16-80mm either, but the marketing is far better!

Glad I could help.

Robert N wrote:

he will sell all his NX lenses if Samsung won't release a 16-80mm and get a Sony NEX, because Sony will release a successor to the NEX7 for sure! Sony doesn't have a 16-80mm either, but the marketing is far better!

Glad I could help.

now I understand. thanks. lol.

Just not more expensive, the NEX 24/1.8 is larger and heavier than the 20+30 pancakes combined - and the 30/2 outperforms it at about 25% of the cost

PDM wrote:

Just not more expensive, the NEX 24/1.8 is larger and heavier than the 20+30 pancakes combined - and the 30/2 outperforms it at about 25% of the cost

He doesn't realize it, but what he really should get is Fuji's X100. Not the highest resolution, but greater IQ, a superb optical/digital viewfinder, and the kind of camera that HCB fans lust after. Since he's willing to settle for a single fixed focal length lens, and the X100 provides his desired focal length, it would seem to be a no-brainer, loosely speaking, of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsksSWOxq2Y
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHJmPcILfg8
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVrVY540xdc

well if you consider that i work also as a freelance photojournalist and i m searching for a solution for replace both my 5D mII and GH2 and replace with just 1 mirrorless solution, the Fuji solution its not ideal...altough i was temped ,for many reasons:
1) slow AF (the biggest cons...)

i m selling my GH2 couse the only lens i love (in term of Focal lenght) is the 20mm 1.7 but its painfull slow...so bye bye m43 (leica 25mm 1.4 its too long as universal lens, while my panasonic 14mm 2.5 its too short and not enough fast...just 2.5!) , its impossible change this lens with a sigma 19mm on m43 couse the sensor is noisy so you need a very fast lens...

2)12mp are not enough for my standard and my needs, and if you have just 1 lens well sometimes you will need to crop..
if only fuji will put the X1 sensor inside the

3) i can survive with just 1 focal lenght like a 24mm that s perfect but especially when i m in a photographic travel (i.e. if i spend 1 month in china only for taking photos) i need also a good zoom to use in the 10/20% of case where the prime is not enough, with GH2 i used the wonderful 14-45mm that is razor sharp...while sony 18-55 (i owned) its low quality with 24mp especially, samsung 18-55 its also low quality, 20-50mm is good but without WA and not stabilized...

regarding price...yes i understand that NEX7 cost much more and also the 24mm cost more...but if you want replace 5D MII and GH2 well this is the last thing you will think

Billx08 wrote:

PDM wrote:

Just not more expensive, the NEX 24/1.8 is larger and heavier than the 20+30 pancakes combined - and the 30/2 outperforms it at about 25% of the cost

He doesn't realize it, but what he really should get is Fuji's X100. Not the highest resolution, but greater IQ, a superb optical/digital viewfinder, and the kind of camera that HCB fans lust after. Since he's willing to settle for a single fixed focal length lens, and the X100 provides his desired focal length, it would seem to be a no-brainer, loosely speaking, of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsksSWOxq2Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHJmPcILfg8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVrVY540xdc

i m happy that you .....didnt understand ...anything

Ariston wrote:

Robert N wrote:

he will sell all his NX lenses if Samsung won't release a 16-80mm and get a Sony NEX, because Sony will release a successor to the NEX7 for sure! Sony doesn't have a 16-80mm either, but the marketing is far better!

Glad I could help.

now I understand. thanks. lol.

the 20mm its a horrible lens on every camera i tried (4-5 m43)

the problem is not the camera but the lens, it re-focus every shot, also if ithas the focus already locked...it move toward infinity and then come back...every shot !and in low light it can do it for 10 seconds....
to be truth also in good light its a pain

E-M5 its sure a wonderful camera anyway....sure the best m43 ever done..also weather proof

anyway i m not married to any system and divorce is never defenitive , i can always come back to my decision in future when new lens will be released

also i think that a giant like panasonic could have done much more...its 2 years people talk abouta global shutter for GH series, and a new generation sensor..backlight or other new approach, i.e. like remove the AA filters that for 90% of people is totally useless...

only Fuji seem to try to innovate....also canon and nikon are 2 dinosaur...my 5D MII has the same technology with a useless mirror like 30 years ago...

wictred wrote:

if you already own a couple m43 lenses, why don't you try get the OMD-EM5 at least for testing?

Seems to be a nice camera especially for travelling. At least you could see how your lenses perform with that camera.

ZZ9 wrote:

well if you consider that i work also as a freelance photojournalist and i m searching for a solution for replace both my 5D mII and GH2 and replace with just 1 mirrorless solution, the Fuji solution its not ideal...altough i was temped ,for many reasons:
1) slow AF (the biggest cons...)

i m selling my GH2 couse the only lens i love (in term of Focal lenght) is the 20mm 1.7 but its painfull slow...so bye bye m43 (leica 25mm 1.4 its too long as universal lens, while my panasonic 14mm 2.5 its too short and not enough fast...just 2.5!) , its impossible change this lens with a sigma 19mm on m43 couse the sensor is noisy so you need a very fast lens...

from your statement, it appears you are influenced by marketing, and that's what it looks like. there are several better and available options around the market. just sayin. anyway, if you are happy with the NEX from what you believe is true, then I'm happy for you.