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Strange statement in K-01 Preview

Started Mar 27, 2012 | Discussions
Greg Lovern Senior Member • Posts: 1,613
Strange statement in K-01 Preview

I haven't read the K-01 Preview all the way through, but I just noticed a strange statement in it. Right after a longish paragraph listing pros and cons relative to competing systems, it says:

Also, because the K-01 doesn't have an aperture coupling, it has no way of working out what aperture a pre-1983 (pre-KA) lens is set to. Instead you have to use the green button, which stops down the lens and sets the shutter speed to the metered value for that aperture. This isn't necessary for KA and newer lenses.

The casual reader might reasonably infer that this is a disadvantage compared to Pentax DSLRs and/or other brands' interchangeable-lens cameras. But would that be a correct inference?

It's a true statement of course; the K-01 does not have an aperture coupling, and you have to use the green button to get open-aperture metering with pre-A lenses. But, that's been true of ALL Pentax DSLRs, all the way back to the original 2003 *ist D. And it was true of the last few film SLRs before them. Yet this is the first I recall it being mentioned in a review or preview here.

In fact, at the time the *ist D was reviewed here, the green button solution did not exist yet (it was added later in a firmware update), so the *ist D at the time of that review had worse backward compatibility than the K-01.

So clearly this fact about the K-01 is no disadvantage compared to other Pentax DSLRs. But what about comparing it to other brands' backward compatibility?

Nikon has the same issue with most of their models; if I'm not mistaken, only the biggest models, the D1/D2/D3/D4 and their variants, have the aperture coupling for "non-chipped" (does not have a microchip) lenses, which is essentially Nikon-speak for what we often call pre-A (pre-KA) lenses in the Pentax world. If Pentax ever makes a model to compete with those Nikon models, maybe it will have the aperture coupling too. As it is, and again if I understand correctly, all Nikon models against which any Pentax DSLR has ever competed with, has not had the aperture coupling.

And of course all other brands have even worse backwards compatibility. Canon, Minolta/Sony, and Olympus all abandoned their old mounts, so not only do you not get aperture coupling with their old lenses of similar vintage, you don't even get anything like the Pentax green-button solution, so they can only be used in stop-down mode, like M42 screwmount lenses. Of all the major brands, only Pentax and Nikon can talk about backwards compatibility without blushing.

So clearly this fact about the K-01 is no disadvantage compared to other brands' backward compatibility, with the possible exception of the Nikon D4 if for some strange reason you imagine that the K-01 competes with the D4.

So why include the statement, in a context that suggests it is a disadvantage compared to other systems??

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yesman12 Contributing Member • Posts: 940
Re: Strange statement in K-01 Preview

Funny

I thought the same thing and posted here
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1018&message=40986169

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Apteryx6 Contributing Member • Posts: 911
Re: Strange statement in K-01 Preview

Greg Lovern wrote:

Nikon has the same issue with most of their models; if I'm not mistaken, only the biggest models, the D1/D2/D3/D4 and their variants, have the aperture coupling for "non-chipped" (does not have a microchip) lenses, which is essentially Nikon-speak for what we often call pre-A (pre-KA) lenses in the Pentax world.

Not quite. The D700, D800 (presumably, I haven't checked), D200, D300, D300s and D7000 have it too. But yes, entry level DSLRs do not have have the physical aperture coupling lever to meter with non-chipped AI lenses.

And I don't think any Nikon DSLR is able to meter with pre-AI lenses (ie, pre 1977) that have not been AI modified, and only the motorless entry level DSLRs are able to mount them safely. AI modification for pre-AI lenses was a simple procedure in 1977, and many were modified, but it might be harder to find someone to do it now

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OP Greg Lovern Senior Member • Posts: 1,613
Re: Strange statement in K-01 Preview

Apteryx6 wrote:

Not quite. The D700, D800 (presumably, I haven't checked), D200, D300, D300s and D7000 have it too. But yes, entry level DSLRs do not have have the physical aperture coupling lever to meter with non-chipped AI lenses.

Thanks for the correction. If anyone is interested, I found this chart that helps unravel Nikon lens compatibility. The "Pre-AI" and "AI, AI-S, E" columns map to Pentax Pre-A lenses, 1975 to roughly 1982:

http://www.nikonians.org/nikon/slr-lens.html

Getting back to the DPReview K-01 preview though, I doubt if anyone seriously considers the K-01 to be a competitor to the D800 or D7000, so I would just modify my point to this:

So clearly this fact about the K-01 is no disadvantage compared to other brands' backward compatibility, with the possible exception of the Nikon D7000, D800, and D4 if for some reason you believe that the K-01 competes with those models.

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johnnl2 Regular Member • Posts: 139
Re: Strange statement in K-01 Preview

I have always wondered why Pentax didn't bring out a model with the "old" aperture coupling mechanism. It would have been terrific, a DSLR with a good (real prism-) viewfinder and a way to use manual lenses as if it was an Kx or a K2 - easy metering with manual instead of the somewhat clumsey and not very precise green button.

Would have made a great enthousiast camera, and the investment would have been low.

OP Greg Lovern Senior Member • Posts: 1,613
Re: Strange statement in K-01 Preview

johnnl2 wrote:

I have always wondered why Pentax didn't bring out a model with the "old" aperture coupling mechanism. It would have been terrific, a DSLR with a good (real prism-) viewfinder and a way to use manual lenses as if it was an Kx or a K2 - easy metering with manual instead of the somewhat clumsey and not very precise green button.

It was removed to bring costs down, same reason Nikon did it on their less expensive models.

The fact that Nikon has gradually brought the feature down to less expensive models -- first it was only on the D1 et. al, and not on the D100; then it was on the D200 but nothing lower, now it's on the D7000 -- gives me hope that if Pentax ever makes a higher-spec-than-K5 camera, they might do the same.

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Stig Vidar Hovland Senior Member • Posts: 1,795
Re: Strange statement in K-01 Preview

Not quite true as my older *istDS doesn't have a green button

Greg Lovern wrote:

and you have to use the green button to get open-aperture metering with pre-A lenses. But, that's been true of ALL Pentax DSLRs, all the way back to the original 2003 *ist D.

stern Senior Member • Posts: 1,740
Re: Strange statement in K-01 Preview

Stig Vidar Hovland wrote:

Not quite true as my older *istDS doesn't have a green button

Well its not green, its the AE-L button in M-mode...

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Greg Lovern wrote:

and you have to use the green button to get open-aperture metering with pre-A lenses. But, that's been true of ALL Pentax DSLRs, all the way back to the original 2003 *ist D.

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OP Greg Lovern Senior Member • Posts: 1,613
Re: Strange statement in K-01 Preview

Hahaha! Right, either green button or AE-L button depending on model.

Greg

Stig Vidar Hovland wrote:
Not quite true as my older *istDS doesn't have a green button

Greg Lovern wrote:

and you have to use the green button to get open-aperture metering with pre-A lenses. But, that's been true of ALL Pentax DSLRs, all the way back to the original 2003 *ist D.

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JNR Veteran Member • Posts: 4,652
Re: Strange statement in K-01 Preview

I'm going to be a bit of a fanboy here, and say that anyone relatively new to dslr photography with an interest in using vintage lenses would be greatly discouraged by the huge array of mounts used by Nikon - and trying to figure out what works with which body, motor or not.

Pentax has applied KiSS, and that's a huge advantage. It would be a real shame if Pentax starts leaving out screw drive (especially given the fact that SDM has been less than a rousing success). I'm fine with the Green button, as long as I can determine any exposure problems a lot faster than the time it takes to bring my "film" to ProEx.

I worried a lot more about my exposures in the days when my M lenses were new. Think of what people would have said about the MX in 1976 if it had a screen in back to confirm exposure after pressing a Green button on top. Not to mention the arrival of focus peaking.

We have it very good, and the Dpreview faux complaint creates far more confusion than clarity.
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