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native ISO sensitivity (which typically offers the highest image quality)

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baneling
baneling Senior Member • Posts: 1,780
native ISO sensitivity (which typically offers the highest image quality)

Hi all, I just read the following:

Exposure

For landscape photography I typically have my camera in aperture priority mode
and set to its native ISO sensitivity (which typically offers the highest image
quality).

I never read this before. Does the Canon T3i have a native ISO setting? If so, what is it?

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max2k Senior Member • Posts: 1,653
Re: native ISO sensitivity (which typically offers the highest image quality)

For landscape (typically tripod mounted) go with the lowest ISO - in this case ISO 100.

Even ISO 200 would be perfectly alright for your goals - don't get too hung up on ISO - there are way many more things that you would need to focus on to get that perfect image (lighting for one )

Doug Pardee
Doug Pardee Veteran Member • Posts: 9,920
Image quality on landscape photos

baneling wrote:

set to its native ISO sensitivity (which typically offers the highest image quality).

There's quality, and then there's quality. And quality, and quality. There are a zillion different things that contribute to IQ (image quality), and using the "native ISO sensitivity" trades off depth of field and image sharpness in order to get a reduced noise level.

When you're trying to get the best image quality in a landscape photo, the ISO setting should be the last thing you'll be concerned about in the exposure triangle. First is the aperture. Pick an f-number high enough to get the depth of field that you need, but no higher. Then pick a shutter speed sufficient to deal with camera shake (if you're not using a tripod or Image Stabilization) and subject motion. Yes, landscapes move, unless there's absolutely no wind at all. Personally, I like 1/200 or so as a starting point.

Once you've got the aperture and shutter speed selected, then pick the ISO that will let you use that combination. Note: you'll probably find that if you're using a polarizing filter, you'll need to use a higher ISO than you'd like. In a Sunny-16 situation, getting 1/200 at f/11 is going to call for ISO 100 without a polarizer and ISO 400 with a polarizer.

Although I own a very nice, very pricy polarizing filter, I almost never use it on landscape photos. I'd rather have increased shutter speed, higher f-stop, and/or lower ISO. I can get nice blue skies simply by not over-exposing — I usually have about -2/3 Ev of Exposure Compensation dialed in on my XT/350D.

[A side note that's not really relevant to this particular situation: I also use ISO 200 as my minimum ISO when shooting Raw, because the XT/350D has limited highlight headroom at ISO 100. This doesn't affect in-camera JPEG, and as far as I know, it doesn't apply to any later "Rebel" models.]

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Re: Image quality on landscape photos

ok so there is no official native ISO setting for cameras then is what you're saying?

thanks for the pointers.
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theatrus Senior Member • Posts: 1,362
Re: Image quality on landscape photos

All sensors have an idel ISO, which is the lowest standard (not expanded), setting. For Canon dslr cameras this is ISO100.

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criticalstories New Member • Posts: 2
Re: Image quality on landscape photos

They're not really groking what you're asking.  "Native ISO" is the actual ISO that the sensor works at and also has the WIDEST dynamic range.  It's really important to those of us shooting video.  My guess is that it's 800 as it is on the full frame sensors, but I'm not sure about that.  Let me know if you find out.  I'd also like to know how many stops of DR it has at that native setting.

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criticalstories wrote:

They're not really groking what you're asking. "Native ISO" is the actual ISO that the sensor works at and also has the WIDEST dynamic range. It's really important to those of us shooting video. My guess is that it's 800 as it is on the full frame sensors, but I'm not sure about that.

There's so much more to picture quality than DR.  DR may be marginally greater at ISO ~800, but noise is also higher than at 100-400.

IMHO, YMMV

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bent christian Senior Member • Posts: 1,663
Re: Image quality on landscape photos

theatrus wrote:

All sensors have an idel ISO, which is the lowest standard (not expanded), setting. For Canon dslr cameras this is ISO100.

In Canons that operate with 1/3 stop ISO increments, ISO 160 has been shown to have the least amount of noise at the expense of slightly less dynamic range. Canon generates 1/3 stop increments by either "pushing" the gain up or "pulling" it down from full-stops. ISO 125 is a "pushed" 100. ISO 160 is a "pulled" 200, and has been shown to be the best low ISO setting to use. ISOs 125, 250, 500, 1000, etc. are the worst and probably should not be used at all.

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Astar Le Poulpe New Member • Posts: 1
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bent christian wrote:

theatrus wrote:

All sensors have an idel ISO, which is the lowest standard (not expanded), setting. For Canon dslr cameras this is ISO100.

In Canons that operate with 1/3 stop ISO increments, ISO 160 has been shown to have the least amount of noise at the expense of slightly less dynamic range. Canon generates 1/3 stop increments by either "pushing" the gain up or "pulling" it down from full-stops. ISO 125 is a "pushed" 100. ISO 160 is a "pulled" 200, and has been shown to be the best low ISO setting to use. ISOs 125, 250, 500, 1000, etc. are the worst and probably should not be used at all.

I still use my Rebel T3i for video and it works the best, meaning, lowest noise ratio and highest DR at ISO 400. I don't quite like how the shadows get crushed sometimes with lower ISOs even using a CINE profile and MagicLantern. and i've found that i can Push it well into ISO 800 if needed and the footage will still be perfect for use with color correction and slight denoise. I've been trying to find an official source that states the Rebel T3i's Native ISO but so far i've only found the spec sheet and it tells none about that, or maybe i can't find where it is written. Anyhow, I've tried the ones in the nono list you said and they are garbage.

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