E-M5 Negatives

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Sergey Borachev Senior Member • Posts: 3,303
E-M5 Negatives

Hi, All.

So far, after the early hands-ons, previews, and reviews, there is no show stopper yet.

The only negatives mentioned, which may or may not be important to you, are:

  • flash not built in, but there is one in the box, free and splash proof.

  • no focus peaking feature, just magnified image for manual focusing,

  • not as good in IQ as some cameras with larger sensors.

  • too small for the best positions of dials and controls.

  • the hump, looking ugly to some people

  • not as good as GH2 in video.

Can you live with them, considering your requirements in a camera like this?

Sergey

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dgrogers Veteran Member • Posts: 6,741
Re: E-M5 Negatives

Sergey Borachev wrote:

Hi, All.

So far, after the early hands-ons, previews, and reviews, there is no show stopper yet.

The only negatives mentioned, which may or may not be important to you, are:

  • flash not built in, but there is one in the box, free and splash proof.

I prefer it this way.

  • no focus peaking feature, just magnified image for manual focusing,

I'm not convinced focus peaking is the holy grail others do. If I'm using manual focus it's because I don't trust the camera to determine the best focus in the first place.

  • not as good in IQ as some cameras with larger sensors.

Perhaps, but differences in IQ won't be noticeable the majority of the time.

  • too small for the best positions of dials and controls.

We'll see. Haven't touched it yet myself so i don't know if it will be a problem or not.

  • the hump, looking ugly to some people

The hump makes the camera.

  • not as good as GH2 in video.

Don't care about video. If there was no read out distortion or if the camera was capable of taking high speed video for super slow motion, I might feel differently but not much.

Can you live with them, considering your requirements in a camera like this?

It looks like I can.

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MAubrey
MAubrey Senior Member • Posts: 1,598
Re: E-M5 Negatives

I'm a little confused. I didn't see any negatives in your list...


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One worries me a little there

Sergey Borachev wrote:

Hi, All.

So far, after the early hands-ons, previews, and reviews, there is no show stopper yet.

The only negatives mentioned, which may or may not be important to you, are:

  • flash not built in, but there is one in the box, free and splash proof.

  • no focus peaking feature, just magnified image for manual focusing,

  • not as good in IQ as some cameras with larger sensors.

  • too small for the best positions of dials and controls.

  • the hump, looking ugly to some people

  • not as good as GH2 in video.

Can you live with them, considering your requirements in a camera like this?

Sergey

Howdy Sergey.

One there would worry me and its not one I believed would change the way I shoot and thats Peaking. So now being used to it and exactly what it does for the longer MF lenses, personally I would pass on the Oly. If the GH3 doesn't have it either, then the same would apply. So for me, it would be a deal breaker, just a personal thing that I really use a lot and it works for me.

The other interesting one is IQ. With bird shots we tend to crop a fair bit, so having a larger sensor certainly helps with that and still retaining feather details. Again, thats just a personal thing. Still be interesting to see how those fine details would hold up with the new Oly. Time will tell I guess.

All the best Sergey.

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Chris_R Regular Member • Posts: 328
Re: E-M5 Negatives

I prefer a small separate flash, I like the hump, I will get used to the controls, I don't think the IQ will look much different on a 16x20 print. I don't do much video and I have manually focused for the last 40+ years and am sick of it. So yes I can live with it

Chris

lsrmz Regular Member • Posts: 424
Re: E-M5 Negatives

Sergey Borachev wrote:
Hi, All.

So far, after the early hands-ons, previews, and reviews, there is no show stopper yet.
The only negatives mentioned, which may or may not be important to you, are:

flash not built in, but there is one in the box, free and splash proof.
No problem. I rarely use popup flash anyway.

no focus peaking feature, just magnified image for manual focusing,
never used focus peaking, so it's not one of my must-haves.

not as good in IQ as some cameras with larger sensors.
Maybe, but frankly, I can't tell the difference a lot of the time.

too small for the best positions of dials and controls.
Don't know. But I guess I'll find out.

the hump, looking ugly to some people
I don't mind the hump.

not as good as GH2 in video.

My video needs are pretty basic- shooting snippets of my kids' school functions or parties. Considering I used to have a camera which shot video that became a pixelated mess when viewed full-screen, I'm happy with what I've seen from the E-M5.

Can you live with them, considering your requirements in a camera like this?
Yes, I think I can.

Lori

Tim in upstate NY
Tim in upstate NY Veteran Member • Posts: 7,120
Re: E-M5 Negatives

Sergey Borachev wrote:

Can you live with them, considering your requirements in a camera like this?

. . . The only thing I can't live with is waiting for another month before I get it.

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CrashE3 Contributing Member • Posts: 820
Re: E-M5 Negatives

The only negatives mentioned, which may or may not be important to you, are:

  • flash not built in, but there is one in the box, free and splash proof.

I tend to use off camera flash and larger on camera flashes. I have never used a built in flash. They are not that great.. so why bother?

  • no focus peaking feature, just magnified image for manual focusing,

Until the E-M5 was announced and all of the crying about it's lack of this feature began.. I had never even heard of "focus peaking". Still not sure that I understand what it is or what it does.. but because I have made it through 10 years of photography without it.. I am quite sure it is not a feature I would notice if it was not included.

  • not as good in IQ as some cameras with larger sensors.

I know what system I bought. If you are a m4/3 user.. you know what system you bought. The IQ is better than most pixel peeping members of these forums will ever need.

  • too small for the best positions of dials and controls.

I don't like the placement of the button over the little thumb grip thingy... but if that is the only thing I can come up with to hate about it, I am still buying one.

  • the hump, looking ugly to some people

Really? I mean.. REALLY?!?!

  • not as good as GH2 in video.

I use video as often as I do built in flash so it is just as important to me.

Can you live with them, considering your requirements in a camera like this?

Not only can I live with it, I am sure to have a wonderful relationship until I meet and run off with her sister! Or maybe her mother. Looking for a cougar cam that can handle my long lens.

Sergey

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lowincash
lowincash Contributing Member • Posts: 717
Re: E-M5 Negatives

Nothing on your list is really a negative for me. Only thing I will miss is focus peaking as I'm pretty used to it on the NEX-7 with legacy lenses. However, with the E-M5 being a stabilized body I should have no problem using the magnified view. On the NEX-7 when I want to fine tune the focus, I use the magnify view and the image is very shaky and jumpy. Also, in the magnified view I can't really see the focus peaking much. I'm going to miss this feature but nothing I can't live with.

Actually I was so used to focus peaking, when I used my SRT101 I had trouble focusing when I'm not wearing my glasses lol

Sergey Borachev wrote:

Hi, All.

So far, after the early hands-ons, previews, and reviews, there is no show stopper yet.

The only negatives mentioned, which may or may not be important to you, are:

  • flash not built in, but there is one in the box, free and splash proof.

  • no focus peaking feature, just magnified image for manual focusing,

  • not as good in IQ as some cameras with larger sensors.

  • too small for the best positions of dials and controls.

  • the hump, looking ugly to some people

  • not as good as GH2 in video.

Can you live with them, considering your requirements in a camera like this?

Sergey

duke_goulden New Member • Posts: 22
Re: E-M5 Negatives

The only negatives I can think of are price and the lack of a control wheel on the back of the camera(instead there are 4 buttons). The price is annoying because for the price of the camera and grip I could buy an Nex7 and my Panasonic G3 was only $400, doesn't seem like it's going to be 3 times better...

TrapperJohn Forum Pro • Posts: 14,047
It's a digital camera. It doesn't produce negatives.

Couldn't pass that one up.

Onboard flash - I never use the ones I have.

Focus peaking - only on NEX, and it doesn't have squat for glass. There are questions about it's accuracy, anyway.

IQ difference? Not much, pretty much not discernable under ISO800.

The whole point of it is that it is small.

The hump. Seriously, that's a problem?

Don't really care about video.

The only complaint I have about the EM5 is that I don't have one yet. Okay, maybe the goofy name - should have been the OM-D1.

Lohani Regular Member • Posts: 225
Re: E-M5 Negatives
  • flash not built in, but there is one in the box, free and splash proof.

Fine by me

  • no focus peaking feature, just magnified image for manual focusing,

I only mf for zone focussing anyways

  • not as good in IQ as some cameras with larger sensors.

But I get everything smaller, so that's fair

  • too small for the best positions of dials and controls.

But there ARE more dials, so me likey

  • the hump, looking ugly to some people

Eh, not a fan,but it looks better than external attached. Wish it were off hybrid type

  • not as good as GH2 in video.

shrug. Not a video guy really

Michael Kaufman
Michael Kaufman Senior Member • Posts: 2,690
Re: E-M5 Negatives

dgrogers wrote:

  • no focus peaking feature, just magnified image for manual focusing,

I'm not convinced focus peaking is the holy grail others do. If I'm using manual focus it's because I don't trust the camera to determine the best focus in the first place.

I've never used focus peaking, so this is completely theoretical, but my understanding is that its not for when you don't trust the camera, its for when you are using MF lenses, and for when you want to confirm exactly where the camera is focusing.

I can imagine it might be useful if I was using zone focusing. It might be nice to have a confirmation that things I thought were in focus were actually in focus. Like I said, I have never used it, so I am not positive it works this way. It also might get in the way of my composing to have all those lines on all the time.

Net-net, it would have been fun to play with, but I think I'll be fine without it.

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Internal flash vs External

Sergey Borachev wrote:

  • flash not built in, but there is one in the box, free and splash proof.

Of all of the negatives you mention, this is the only one that concerns me at all. I would much prefer to have some sort of low power flash built in. I very rarely use a flash, so I am unlikely to have the external one with me on the rare occasions I would like to use it.

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Andr2 Regular Member • Posts: 221
Re: E-M5 Negatives

No Negatives for me.

Preferences, Yes.

I would have preferred the Black a little bit less Black and the Grey...well it's just a little too Grey.

Other than that it's seems to be just about perfect for me.

All the best...Andre

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Boneoh Regular Member • Posts: 171
Re: E-M5 Negatives

LOL - I'm with you on that one. It's gonna be a while...

John Mason
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got confused by OP for a moment

EM5 negatives? The em5 won't take negative film.

Well, that was my first thought. But I'm from another era.

Anyway, that list of minor negatives is not a concern.

The hump holds the evf where it should be, in the middle instead of off to the side.

Focus peaking in a Nex with all the shaking without IS when you zoom in, I'll take the IS anytime.

Flash, people still use flash? I suppose for light fill light. I've got built in flash on the E5 but it doesn't clear the SHG lenses so I can't use it anyway.

Shutter button placement, chrome not being real chrome on metal coating like my OM1 is (I ordered a black EM5), size being too small so will require getting the grips bumping the price up are my only potential nit pics and they are minor.
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Uncle Albert
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Re: E-M5 Negatives

Agreed.

David247
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Re: E-M5 Negatives

Sergey Borachev wrote:

  • flash not built in, but there is one in the box, free and splash proof.

Never met a pop-up flash that I liked. Used some in "rare emergency situations" a few times but generally never cared for the results. Plus a pop-up flash would greatly complicate the weather sealing process at a crucial point. Give me the included water sealed add on please, that and my FL-36 with stofen diffuser will better meat my needs and desires.

  • no focus peaking feature, just magnified image for manual focusing,

Never seen it, never tried it, but from the descriptions I've read not a deal killer. Survived 45+ year without it, so no big deal.

  • not as good in IQ as some cameras with larger sensors.

Well if absolute detail is the problem, I'll use a different camera, and it won't be APS-C sensor. The Nikon D800 looks nice for those extreme detail situations. Otherwise if I shoot with a kit, I want it small light, fast and flexible. So far, the IQ looks very good to me. Much more then satisfactory.

  • too small for the best positions of dials and controls.

Unknown, but from what I see, I don't think so. In fact from the brief handling reviews, I don't really remember any complaints from people who have handled it. For a small camera it looks like they did a very good job with the controls.

  • the hump, looking ugly to some people

Ugly? Not to me. But then I grew up with cameras with humps. Admittedly, in photos it looks a little out of proportion but as long as everything works, that is irrelevant. Prefer the OMD hump to no hump at all.

  • not as good as GH2 in video.

Don't know yet if that is real or not. No side by side comparisons. I think that is more conjecture then reality. It may not have as many "features" as the GH2 but so far I haven't seen anything factual to indicate that it is worse in any way. In fact, the video shot by Robin Wong's friend Sanjit, looks pretty darn good at 1080P http://fullcirclepix.com/blog/ despite YouTube's heavy handed compression artifacts. It looks good enough for my meager video needs.

Can you live with them, considering your requirements in a camera like this?

Yep, absolutely, no doubt. No deal killers there at all. In fact, I don't think there were any I would really call negatives.

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Re: E-M5 Negatives

David247 wrote:

  • no focus peaking feature, just magnified image for manual focusing,

Never seen it, never tried it, but from the descriptions I've read not a deal killer. Survived 45+ year without it, so no big deal.

Same here David.....or AF, or OIS/IBIS, or EVF, or video, etc, etc ;).

Sorry I lied, 44 years

All the best David.

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