4 more years of banding posts :(

Started Mar 6, 2012 | Discussions
Lordsegan Regular Member • Posts: 160
Re: 4 more years of banding posts :(

damn it

papparazzi Senior Member • Posts: 1,997
Amen...

GiovanniB wrote:

In landscape photography, clean shadows with the ability to lift them up in post to reveal details (as opposed to banding/noise) makes up for much of the difference between a good and a less useful camera. In that sense, the K-5, D7000 etc. are a lot better than any of the 5D (though with the original 12.8 MP still being better than the Mk. II and, as it seems, the Mk. III).

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Teosax Senior Member • Posts: 1,466
Re: 4 more years of banding posts :(

wow this is sad indeed
i was hopeful at least this issue being solved...

f$%^&CK

anyway
anyone knows if there is a way to send feedback messages to canon?

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jayrandomer Contributing Member • Posts: 893
Re: 4 more years of banding posts :(

Teosax wrote:

wow this is sad indeed
i was hopeful at least this issue being solved...

f$%^&CK

anyway
anyone knows if there is a way to send feedback messages to canon?

Ineffective, but feels good:

Post on this forum about it
Find someone at Canon and write them

Effective (in the aggregate), but feels bad:

Don't buy their products

Effective, feels good, requires you to be excessively wealthy:

become a major camera retailer and talk to your sales rep
become a major shareholder

Beyond that I doubt there's much you can do.

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David Hull
David Hull Veteran Member • Posts: 6,359
Re: 4 more years of banding posts :(

jayrandomer wrote:

Teosax wrote:

wow this is sad indeed
i was hopeful at least this issue being solved...

f$%^&CK

anyway
anyone knows if there is a way to send feedback messages to canon?

Ineffective, but feels good:

Post on this forum about it
Find someone at Canon and write them

Effective (in the aggregate), but feels bad:

Don't buy their products

Effective, feels good, requires you to be excessively wealthy:

become a major camera retailer and talk to your sales rep
become a major shareholder

Beyond that I doubt there's much you can do.

Show up to Canon events and point out the issue to teh reps directly.

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Ayrshirephotographer Regular Member • Posts: 360
Re: How about better technique. Solved. NT

John Sheehy wrote:

MichaelSpotts wrote:

An excellent tool in the hands of either a novice or expert is better than an adequate tool in the hands of the same.

Banding in shadow areas can be reduced with good technique but not eliminated if you want a high dynamic range of light in your shot, with extreme darks and brights. Don't make excuses for the poor banding. Canon is just continuing on the tradition.

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Tinu_ch Contributing Member • Posts: 660
Re: 4 more years of banding posts :(

Teosax wrote:

anyone knows if there is a way to send feedback messages to canon?

As long as we keep buying their stuff they have no reason to listen to our whining and shouting. There is only one message loud enough to get through: flooding the used market with our Canon gear and investing in other camera systems.

But there is no garantee the impact might be felt by Canon. I guess less than 10% of 5DII owners have a problem with banding; the great majority hasn't even heard about it.

Tinu

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Re: 4 more years of banding posts :(

Tinu_ch wrote:

I guess less than 10% of 5DII owners have a problem with banding; the great majority hasn't even heard about it.

Are you saying that the banding issue only occurs in 10% of 5D2's or that only 10% of users have noticed it?

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Re: 4 more years of banding posts :(

tlinn wrote:

Tinu_ch wrote:

I guess less than 10% of 5DII owners have a problem with banding; the great majority hasn't even heard about it.

Are you saying that the banding issue only occurs in 10% of 5D2's or that only 10% of users have noticed it?

It is there in all of the 5DII's as far as I know but not everyone lifts their shadows as aggressively. I hang out with a shooting group that meets once a month, and there are about 8 people there with 5DII's, they all love them and the subject of banding never comes up. It was not until I started poking around that I found it after reading posts here.

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Tinu_ch Contributing Member • Posts: 660
Re: 4 more years of banding posts :(

tlinn wrote:

Tinu_ch wrote:

I guess less than 10% of 5DII owners have a problem with banding; the great majority hasn't even heard about it.

Are you saying that the banding issue only occurs in 10% of 5D2's or that only 10% of users have noticed it?

What I meant: Banding is present in all 5DIIs, but it does not show in normal use. Only the minority of owners spending a lot of time in forums know about it. And only a part of them uses the cam in ways for which banding becomes a real issue.

Even if all of them had the means to switch systems, Canon might not notice it financially.

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Re: 4 more years of banding posts :(

In my view, the whole "maybe you have a bad copy with banding" meme is a matter of trying to find a polite explanation for why some seem to find noise banding to be a Terrible Awful Scourge Of The Earth And The Ultimate Bane Of All Photography while others say, yes you can find a bit in a very small percentage of images if you push shadows a lot and go looking for it at 100% but it won't ever show up in a print .

I'm convinced that all 5D2s behave essentially the same when it comes to this issue, but that the primary difference is how the issue is viewed by the person talking about it.

I'd guess that far fewer than 10% of 5D2 owners notice this, much less regard it as a problem. The number who complain about a thing is always greater than the number who post when something works the way it is expected to work. Here you have perhaps a dozen or so hard-core noise banding folks who simply can't let this one go... out of thousands of people who no doubt read and occasionally post on this forum.

Dan

tlinn wrote:

Tinu_ch wrote:

I guess less than 10% of 5DII owners have a problem with banding; the great majority hasn't even heard about it.

Are you saying that the banding issue only occurs in 10% of 5D2's or that only 10% of users have noticed it?

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David Hull Veteran Member • Posts: 6,359
Can someone post teh link to the RAW file that generated this?

Now that I have a RAW conversion setup on line for 5DIII files, I would like to fiddle with this one myself. I found this the other day but didn't grab it at the time since I couldn't do anything with it.

Thanks,

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Re: Can someone post teh link to the RAW file that generated this?
shaunly Contributing Member • Posts: 542
Re: Can someone post teh link to the RAW file that generated this?

David Hull wrote:

Now that I have a RAW conversion setup on line for 5DIII files, I would like to fiddle with this one myself. I found this the other day but didn't grab it at the time since I couldn't do anything with it.

Thanks,

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hope this help

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-5d-mkiii/canon-5d-mkiiiGALLERY.HTM

shaunly Contributing Member • Posts: 542
Re: 4 more years of banding posts :(

Here's a quick 5min PP from one of IR raw sample

f/7.1 ISO 100

100% crop

abracadabenhotmailfr Contributing Member • Posts: 762
Re: 4 more years of banding posts :(

Seing the original, it's a pretty heavy raise of the shadows.

Even though they didn't completely remove the issue, i still find it better than the 5d2.

Though, I think it's better to do that incamera.......

shaunly Contributing Member • Posts: 542
Re: 4 more years of banding posts :(

abracadabenhotmailfr wrote:

Seing the original, it's a pretty heavy raise of the shadows.

Even though they didn't completely remove the issue, i still find it better than the 5d2.

Though, I think it's better to do that incamera.......

Fill light was set at 80. While I agree that this is very high, much more than what I prefer, but given the sample shot to work with, it had to be done to get the look i wanted.

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Re: Can someone post teh link to the RAW file that generated this?
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RedFox88 Forum Pro • Posts: 29,292
shadows lifted majorly

That photo looks like the shadows were majorly lifted. Normally process/develop a photo and you won't see anything like this! Just because Adobe has adjustment sliders, doesn't mean that they are all appropriate to use with large values with every photo!

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Re: 4 more years of banding posts :(

shaunly wrote:

Here's a quick 5min PP from one of IR raw sample

Why are you brightening dark shadows caused by lack of light from a flash photo?!

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