Has anyone abandoned the X10 for the G1X?

Started Feb 26, 2012 | Discussions
danny_only Forum Pro • Posts: 11,115
Re: SHood

snake_b wrote:

Not my kind of concerts. Where people actually move and play intensely.

Evanescence=housewife pop fail. It's what housewives listen to when they want to think they're hip, despite the mom jeans.

Sorry, I could not tell from your alias that you are not a house wife. My bad.

danny_only wrote:
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snake_b wrote:

The lens isn't really faster when you look at the x10's tiny sensor. No way it would work for me to get high enough shutter speeds to freeze action during concerts.

Photofreak7 wrote:

SHood wrote:

Canon's response sounds very similar to Fuji's original x10 response.

well at least Fuji is doing something about it. Looks like for $200 less the X10 is the better choice IMO - faster lens, focusing, etc.., - the only advantage is the G1X sensor size.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/03/21/canon-g1-x-exhibits-light-leak-or-internal-reflection-in-certain-conditions

We submitted our sample images to Canon and they confirmed the issue, calling it "Glow Dots," and saying that it will likely affect all PowerShot G1 X units. Canon further says, "Due to the limited circumstances under which the PowerShot G1X 'Glow Dots' phenomenon can occur, Canon does not plan to change the camera's specifications or offer repair service for this issue."

for $799 this camera should come with a Canon repair tech

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Re: danny_only

danny_only wrote:

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wow there's some superb concert photos there ... those shots aren't easy with any camera - and these are great for a P&S to my eyes/screen - kudos to the shooter (and the X10)

snake_b wrote:

The lens isn't really faster when you look at the x10's tiny sensor. No way it would work for me to get high enough shutter speeds to freeze action during concerts.

Photofreak7 wrote:

SHood wrote:

Canon's response sounds very similar to Fuji's original x10 response.

well at least Fuji is doing something about it. Looks like for $200 less the X10 is the better choice IMO - faster lens, focusing, etc.., - the only advantage is the G1X sensor size.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/03/21/canon-g1-x-exhibits-light-leak-or-internal-reflection-in-certain-conditions

We submitted our sample images to Canon and they confirmed the issue, calling it "Glow Dots," and saying that it will likely affect all PowerShot G1 X units. Canon further says, "Due to the limited circumstances under which the PowerShot G1X 'Glow Dots' phenomenon can occur, Canon does not plan to change the camera's specifications or offer repair service for this issue."

for $799 this camera should come with a Canon repair tech

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danny_only Forum Pro • Posts: 11,115
Re: danny_only

Photofreak7 wrote:

danny_only wrote:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=40964945

wow there's some superb concert photos there ... those shots aren't easy with any camera - and these are great for a P&S to my eyes/screen - kudos to the shooter (and the X10)

Hi Photofreak7,

Yes, 1st picture is really not bad for iso1000, 1/125s, f2.8 and at 24.6mm (almost tele end). Good enough for housewife and non-housewife types of concerts

snake_b wrote:

The lens isn't really faster when you look at the x10's tiny sensor. No way it would work for me to get high enough shutter speeds to freeze action during concerts.

Photofreak7 wrote:

SHood wrote:

Canon's response sounds very similar to Fuji's original x10 response.

well at least Fuji is doing something about it. Looks like for $200 less the X10 is the better choice IMO - faster lens, focusing, etc.., - the only advantage is the G1X sensor size.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/03/21/canon-g1-x-exhibits-light-leak-or-internal-reflection-in-certain-conditions

We submitted our sample images to Canon and they confirmed the issue, calling it "Glow Dots," and saying that it will likely affect all PowerShot G1 X units. Canon further says, "Due to the limited circumstances under which the PowerShot G1X 'Glow Dots' phenomenon can occur, Canon does not plan to change the camera's specifications or offer repair service for this issue."

for $799 this camera should come with a Canon repair tech

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Re: danny_only

danny_only wrote:

Photofreak7 wrote:

danny_only wrote:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=40964945

wow there's some superb concert photos there ... those shots aren't easy with any camera - and these are great for a P&S to my eyes/screen - kudos to the shooter (and the X10)

Hi Photofreak7,

Yes, 1st picture is really not bad for iso1000, 1/125s, f2.8 and at 24.6mm (almost tele end). Good enough for housewife and non-housewife types of concerts

1/125 is prob enough for 'subtle' movement here but he could even shoot at 3200 (if need be) and with decent processing could get good results - beyond that your in DSLR/fast lens territory or shooting the G1X at ISO12800 @f/5.8

snake_b wrote:

The lens isn't really faster when you look at the x10's tiny sensor. No way it would work for me to get high enough shutter speeds to freeze action during concerts.

Photofreak7 wrote:

SHood wrote:

Canon's response sounds very similar to Fuji's original x10 response.

well at least Fuji is doing something about it. Looks like for $200 less the X10 is the better choice IMO - faster lens, focusing, etc.., - the only advantage is the G1X sensor size.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/03/21/canon-g1-x-exhibits-light-leak-or-internal-reflection-in-certain-conditions

We submitted our sample images to Canon and they confirmed the issue, calling it "Glow Dots," and saying that it will likely affect all PowerShot G1 X units. Canon further says, "Due to the limited circumstances under which the PowerShot G1X 'Glow Dots' phenomenon can occur, Canon does not plan to change the camera's specifications or offer repair service for this issue."

for $799 this camera should come with a Canon repair tech

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SHood Veteran Member • Posts: 5,063
Re: G1X Glow Dots

It has more to do with a high shutter speed than high ISO. It is just more difficult to properly test lower ISOs at a high shutter speed (1/4000).

edu T wrote:

SHood wrote:

I can't see why this would only be limited to high ISOs images as long as a fast shutter speed is required.

Why not? IR's analysis points to a kind of faint residual "post-exposure" with a very brief and constant duration. The higher the signal amplification (ISO) and the faster the shutterspeed, the more significative this parasite exposure becomes relative to the "real" exposure.

( http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/G1X/G1XA.HTM#leak ; editors' follow-up discussion: http://www.photo-forums.com/WebX?50@@.eeb8fb4/0 )

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Re: Not a bad stab...

I always find the "mediocre lens" comments interesting. If you only judge a lens by a single factor then I guess you're using the lens's maximum aperture at telephoto as justification? By any other measure the lens on the G1 X is not mediocre. In fact, in detail resolution, flare, color, and chromatic aberation it is an exceptionally good lens. Considering its size, it is a truly remarkable lens.

OP Photofreak7 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,707
Re: Not a bad stab...

howardroark wrote:

I always find the "mediocre lens" comments interesting. If you only judge a lens by a single factor then I guess you're using the lens's maximum aperture at telephoto as justification? By any other measure the lens on the G1 X is not mediocre. In fact, in detail resolution, flare, color, and chromatic aberation it is an exceptionally good lens. Considering its size, it is a truly remarkable lens.

From what I've seen you are correct. And had Canon put a faster lens on the G1X then I'd guess it would have been bigger ... no doubt the lens is good but still limited in brightness and I wouldn't doubt if Dpr mentions that in their review conclusion page. Great camera and effort by Canon though - if it were $599 then I'd seriously consider it but $799 is too much IMO.

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Re: Not a bad stab...

After owning it for a little over three weeks, I happily disagree. Value, much liike beauty and truth, is in the eye of the beholder.

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Re: "For the price"

Gary,

There are certain people who will forgive just about anything if the price is right. There are some who will pay just about anything if they get what they want. Saying that the cost of the G1 X is too high for what it delivers is egocentricity at its finest. Tina Fey said it best: “It is an impressively arrogant move to conclude that just because you don’t like something, it is empirically not good. I don’t like Chinese food, but I don’t write articles trying to prove it doesn’t exist.” Some people don't like the G1 X because its cost is "too high." A reasonable person might add the disclaimer "for me." Being absolutist about it definitely smacks of arrogance...."it is absolutely and obviously priced higher than any reasonable human would pay for it no matter what use they have in mind!"

Some of us see an extremely high quality lens packed into a very tight space in front of a huge (for a point and shoot) sensor and know exactly what to do with it. Some people want to call us fanboys and cuddle up to their X10 in bed whispering "you're the best camera in the whole wide world....why would anyone want anything else?" I wouldn't pay money for the X10 but I don't blame anyone else for liking what they like or paying what they pay for something I would sell if it was given to me. Personal preference, nothing more.

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Re: "For the price"

All that may be true (and I'm not loyal to any company) but I would bet that Dpr will mention the price in their review (and the lens and AF) - especially when for less $ you can get a DSLR, camera with a lens system or even both an S100 + an HS30 or SX40. It's not a knock on the G1X it's just how Canon priced it - it will sell no doubt - they always find their place in the market. It's still a great camera and the first I've seen that betters the G10 in resolution/detail at low ISOs - although the S100fs and F100fd came close.

howardroark wrote:

Gary,

There are certain people who will forgive just about anything if the price is right. There are some who will pay just about anything if they get what they want. Saying that the cost of the G1 X is too high for what it delivers is egocentricity at its finest. Tina Fey said it best: “It is an impressively arrogant move to conclude that just because you don’t like something, it is empirically not good. I don’t like Chinese food, but I don’t write articles trying to prove it doesn’t exist.” Some people don't like the G1 X because its cost is "too high." A reasonable person might add the disclaimer "for me." Being absolutist about it definitely smacks of arrogance...."it is absolutely and obviously priced higher than any reasonable human would pay for it no matter what use they have in mind!"

Some of us see an extremely high quality lens packed into a very tight space in front of a huge (for a point and shoot) sensor and know exactly what to do with it. Some people want to call us fanboys and cuddle up to their X10 in bed whispering "you're the best camera in the whole wide world....why would anyone want anything else?" I wouldn't pay money for the X10 but I don't blame anyone else for liking what they like or paying what they pay for something I would sell if it was given to me. Personal preference, nothing more.

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FrancoisXavier C Regular Member • Posts: 161
Shutter speed limitations on the G1X ?

S mode : 60 seconds max
A mode : 1 second max

Can anyone confirm ?

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Re: "For the price"

If you could name a single camera that offers the same set of features and size for the same price or less, then you might have a point. The other arguments you're making are completely irrelevant. I could also get all of the brake rotars and pads replaced on my truck for $800. Canon stated who they made the camera for and as you can tell from other posts in this forum, those are exactly the people who love it and are glad to pay for it. There are many others outside of the target audience who are equally convinced. Everyone still waiting to buy it are glad that you are one less person to wait in line behind.

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