Has anyone abandoned the X10 for the G1X?

Started Feb 26, 2012 | Discussions
PhotOptimist Veteran Member • Posts: 3,249
No, never with such offering from Canon...

At such price it is a joke.
Canon (much) and Nikon (less) care about cannibalizing their DSLR camera sales.

If you ask about DR, blown highlights and OOC jpg everybody will tell you that you have to shoot in RAW.
There is a whole industry around it.
You buy RAW converter and you invest a lot of time.
What X10 does?
Great DR and colors OOC..
Yes, at 6 MP but it is enough for most people even if they want to print.
Orb issue - yes but in my case minimal, it doesn't bother me at all.

I abandoned Canon 2005 and will not go back.
I like radical steps like Fuji X10 or Nikon 1 V1.

SHood Veteran Member • Posts: 5,197
OVF comparison

Here is a comparison of the OVFs between the G1X and X10.

http://www.seriouscompacts.com/f38/canon-g1x-fuji-x10-viewfinders-compared-7073/

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Re: OVF comparison

I think different individuals have different views on the relative importance of OVF, cuteness, and IQ.

For me, when I look at the output from my camera, or ANY camera I can't tell what the camera looked like. Or how its OVF worked.

Personally, as long as both camera's OVF's give you ZERO information about the shot you are taking, except for rough framing, as long as BOTH are misaligned somewhat in comparison with the lens, they are of quite limited effectiveness for me.

I own both cameras. I pretty much dislike both OVFs.

On the other hand:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=40800758

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Neither have AF point markers

Neither have AF point markers or even Parallax markers for when zoomed so both are pretty useless , the X10s is bigger that's all, its got no more coverage from what I can see and it bulks up the back of the camera ..

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FrancoisXavier C Regular Member • Posts: 161
Re: Neither have AF point markers

AdamT wrote:

Neither have AF point markers or even Parallax markers for when zoomed so both are pretty useless , the X10s is bigger that's all, its got no more coverage from what I can see and it bulks up the back of the camera ..

It's not as bad as it sounds, bulkwise :

Also :

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Re: Neither have AF point markers

It's not as bad as it sounds, bulkwise :

see the wasted space the optical VF takes up on the back - they COULD Have made use of the space by adding a twist LCD to make the added depth worthwhile.

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FrancoisXavier C Regular Member • Posts: 161
Re: Neither have AF point markers

AdamT wrote:

It's not as bad as it sounds, bulkwise :

see the wasted space the optical VF takes up on the back - they COULD Have made use of the space by adding a twist LCD to make the added depth worthwhile.

A twist LCD would have been nice although this means relocating the four direct access buttons on the left side. I don't know if it would be possible to keep them all.

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neil74 Regular Member • Posts: 365
I have owned both

I’m not going to comment on those ISO640 G1X shots other than to say they are not consistent with what I have seen.

I have gone (indirectly) from the X10 to G1X and first things first the image quality out of the G1X is clearly a significant step up, the argument for the X10 however is that the lens is at most points 2 stops faster everything else being equal so ISO 400 on the X10 would require for the same scene ISO 1600 on the G1X. I have not made my mind up yet if 400 on the X10 is better than 1600 on the G1X, if you pushed me after the day or 2’s use that I have had I’d give the edge to 1600 on the G1X. The VF is equally useless on both (maybe slightly less useless on the Fuji). Despite being a Nikon user I have always liked the form factor and interface of the G series and the G1X feels familiar in the hand and when powered down has a flat enough profile to make it more pocketable than most CSC with their kit lenses.

Price is the main issue, I got my G1X for £550 in the UK as a mail order return, I saw it and it was an impulse buy. I would have not have paid £700 for it and at normal prices I’d normally recommend the X10 as the better option. The problem is that the X10 is a flawed camera and I’d question shelling out for one when we now know that orb issue is real and currently unsolved.

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Re: I have owned both

These people don't see orbs. It's a bit much to expect them to be able to judge finer points of IQ

neil74 wrote:

I’m not going to comment on those ISO640 G1X shots other than to say they are not consistent with what I have seen.

I have gone (indirectly) from the X10 to G1X and first things first the image quality out of the G1X is clearly a significant step up, the argument for the X10 however is that the lens is at most points 2 stops faster everything else being equal so ISO 400 on the X10 would require for the same scene ISO 1600 on the G1X. I have not made my mind up yet if 400 on the X10 is better than 1600 on the G1X, if you pushed me after the day or 2’s use that I have had I’d give the edge to 1600 on the G1X. The VF is equally useless on both (maybe slightly less useless on the Fuji). Despite being a Nikon user I have always liked the form factor and interface of the G series and the G1X feels familiar in the hand and when powered down has a flat enough profile to make it more pocketable than most CSC with their kit lenses.

Price is the main issue, I got my G1X for £550 in the UK as a mail order return, I saw it and it was an impulse buy. I would have not have paid £700 for it and at normal prices I’d normally recommend the X10 as the better option. The problem is that the X10 is a flawed camera and I’d question shelling out for one when we now know that orb issue is real and currently unsolved.

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snake_b Veteran Member • Posts: 4,680
Re: I have owned both

Gary,

To be fair, all you have to do is shoot at ISO 1600 in broad daylight with the X10 if you don't want orbs. It's clearly operator error.

GaryJP wrote:

These people don't see orbs. It's a bit much to expect them to be able to judge finer points of IQ

neil74 wrote:

I’m not going to comment on those ISO640 G1X shots other than to say they are not consistent with what I have seen.

I have gone (indirectly) from the X10 to G1X and first things first the image quality out of the G1X is clearly a significant step up, the argument for the X10 however is that the lens is at most points 2 stops faster everything else being equal so ISO 400 on the X10 would require for the same scene ISO 1600 on the G1X. I have not made my mind up yet if 400 on the X10 is better than 1600 on the G1X, if you pushed me after the day or 2’s use that I have had I’d give the edge to 1600 on the G1X. The VF is equally useless on both (maybe slightly less useless on the Fuji). Despite being a Nikon user I have always liked the form factor and interface of the G series and the G1X feels familiar in the hand and when powered down has a flat enough profile to make it more pocketable than most CSC with their kit lenses.

Price is the main issue, I got my G1X for £550 in the UK as a mail order return, I saw it and it was an impulse buy. I would have not have paid £700 for it and at normal prices I’d normally recommend the X10 as the better option. The problem is that the X10 is a flawed camera and I’d question shelling out for one when we now know that orb issue is real and currently unsolved.

SHood Veteran Member • Posts: 5,197
Canon confirms light reflecting issues with G1X

Canon's response sounds very similar to Fuji's original x10 response.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/03/21/canon-g1-x-exhibits-light-leak-or-internal-reflection-in-certain-conditions

We submitted our sample images to Canon and they confirmed the issue, calling it "Glow Dots," and saying that it will likely affect all PowerShot G1 X units. Canon further says, "Due to the limited circumstances under which the PowerShot G1X 'Glow Dots' phenomenon can occur, Canon does not plan to change the camera's specifications or offer repair service for this issue."

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SHood Veteran Member • Posts: 5,197
Conditions when reflections are most noticeable

"Again, the conditions where the light leak is most noticeable is:

•Lens set to ~ 50mm equivalents (most of the shots above were taken at 26.8mm actual focal length)
•ISO 1,600 and above (we have seen it as low as ISO 800)
•> 1/400 second shutter speed
•Light entering the lens from the center and below "

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Re: Conditions when reflections are most noticeable

CANON HAS GLOW DOTS!!!! It never ends!!

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G1X Glow Dots

It'll be interesting to see if further testing shows this occuring in more instances than first expected. I expect we will see people shooting into bright lights at lower ISOs to determine the impact. I can't see why this would only be limited to high ISOs images as long as a fast shutter speed is required.

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CANON HAS GLOW DOTS!!!! It never ends!!

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Re: SHood

SHood wrote:

Canon's response sounds very similar to Fuji's original x10 response.

well at least Fuji is doing something about it. Looks like for $200 less the X10 is the better choice IMO - faster lens, focusing, etc.., - the only advantage is the G1X sensor size.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/03/21/canon-g1-x-exhibits-light-leak-or-internal-reflection-in-certain-conditions

We submitted our sample images to Canon and they confirmed the issue, calling it "Glow Dots," and saying that it will likely affect all PowerShot G1 X units. Canon further says, "Due to the limited circumstances under which the PowerShot G1X 'Glow Dots' phenomenon can occur, Canon does not plan to change the camera's specifications or offer repair service for this issue."

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snake_b Veteran Member • Posts: 4,680
Re: SHood

The lens isn't really faster when you look at the x10's tiny sensor. No way it would work for me to get high enough shutter speeds to freeze action during concerts.

Photofreak7 wrote:

SHood wrote:

Canon's response sounds very similar to Fuji's original x10 response.

well at least Fuji is doing something about it. Looks like for $200 less the X10 is the better choice IMO - faster lens, focusing, etc.., - the only advantage is the G1X sensor size.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/03/21/canon-g1-x-exhibits-light-leak-or-internal-reflection-in-certain-conditions

We submitted our sample images to Canon and they confirmed the issue, calling it "Glow Dots," and saying that it will likely affect all PowerShot G1 X units. Canon further says, "Due to the limited circumstances under which the PowerShot G1X 'Glow Dots' phenomenon can occur, Canon does not plan to change the camera's specifications or offer repair service for this issue."

for $799 this camera should come with a Canon repair tech

edu T Senior Member • Posts: 1,174
Re: G1X Glow Dots

SHood wrote:

I can't see why this would only be limited to high ISOs images as long as a fast shutter speed is required.

Why not? IR's analysis points to a kind of faint residual "post-exposure" with a very brief and constant duration. The higher the signal amplification (ISO) and the faster the shutterspeed, the more significative this parasite exposure becomes relative to the "real" exposure.

( http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/G1X/G1XA.HTM#leak ; editors' follow-up discussion: http://www.photo-forums.com/WebX?50@@.eeb8fb4/0 )

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Re: SHood

snake_b wrote:

The lens isn't really faster when you look at the x10's tiny sensor. No way it would work for me to get high enough shutter speeds to freeze action during concerts.

You couldn't shoot at full zoom f/2.8 and freeze action at ISO1600 or even 3200 with the X10? ... um I don't think you'd have much issue there and shutter speeds are likely to be fine - not to mention faster focusing than the G1X. Keepin it real ... with the G1X at full zoom your at f/5.8 and no doubt ISO6400 or even 12800 to freeze the action (sensor helps but it's not ideal to shoot in that ISO range)

Photofreak7 wrote:

SHood wrote:

Canon's response sounds very similar to Fuji's original x10 response.

well at least Fuji is doing something about it. Looks like for $200 less the X10 is the better choice IMO - faster lens, focusing, etc.., - the only advantage is the G1X sensor size.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/03/21/canon-g1-x-exhibits-light-leak-or-internal-reflection-in-certain-conditions

We submitted our sample images to Canon and they confirmed the issue, calling it "Glow Dots," and saying that it will likely affect all PowerShot G1 X units. Canon further says, "Due to the limited circumstances under which the PowerShot G1X 'Glow Dots' phenomenon can occur, Canon does not plan to change the camera's specifications or offer repair service for this issue."

for $799 this camera should come with a Canon repair tech

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Re: SHood

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=40964945

snake_b wrote:

The lens isn't really faster when you look at the x10's tiny sensor. No way it would work for me to get high enough shutter speeds to freeze action during concerts.

Photofreak7 wrote:

SHood wrote:

Canon's response sounds very similar to Fuji's original x10 response.

well at least Fuji is doing something about it. Looks like for $200 less the X10 is the better choice IMO - faster lens, focusing, etc.., - the only advantage is the G1X sensor size.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/03/21/canon-g1-x-exhibits-light-leak-or-internal-reflection-in-certain-conditions

We submitted our sample images to Canon and they confirmed the issue, calling it "Glow Dots," and saying that it will likely affect all PowerShot G1 X units. Canon further says, "Due to the limited circumstances under which the PowerShot G1X 'Glow Dots' phenomenon can occur, Canon does not plan to change the camera's specifications or offer repair service for this issue."

for $799 this camera should come with a Canon repair tech

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Re: SHood

Not my kind of concerts. Where people actually move and play intensely.

Evanescence=housewife pop fail. It's what housewives listen to when they want to think they're hip, despite the mom jeans.

danny_only wrote:
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snake_b wrote:

The lens isn't really faster when you look at the x10's tiny sensor. No way it would work for me to get high enough shutter speeds to freeze action during concerts.

Photofreak7 wrote:

SHood wrote:

Canon's response sounds very similar to Fuji's original x10 response.

well at least Fuji is doing something about it. Looks like for $200 less the X10 is the better choice IMO - faster lens, focusing, etc.., - the only advantage is the G1X sensor size.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/03/21/canon-g1-x-exhibits-light-leak-or-internal-reflection-in-certain-conditions

We submitted our sample images to Canon and they confirmed the issue, calling it "Glow Dots," and saying that it will likely affect all PowerShot G1 X units. Canon further says, "Due to the limited circumstances under which the PowerShot G1X 'Glow Dots' phenomenon can occur, Canon does not plan to change the camera's specifications or offer repair service for this issue."

for $799 this camera should come with a Canon repair tech

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