GH1 vs GH2

Started Dec 31, 2011 | Discussions
Francis Carver Senior Member • Posts: 1,122
Re: GH1 vs GH2

marike6 wrote:

For video, the GH2 resolved many of the aliasing issues the the GH1 had, and right now is probably THE very best HDSLR available. I also have a 5D Mk II, and it's great for shallow DOF work in video shooting, but the GH2 video image is sharper, it uses the superior AVCHD codec, and it doesn't have the moire, aliasing issues of the Canons.

Waiting for a GH3 is not a bad plan, however it might be a long wait. Nobody knows for sure.

My Panasonic regional sales rep told me yesterday that the press announcement on the Lumix GH3 is coming out in 2-weeks (in Las Vegas), and the camera will be shipping by mid-April 2012. If you call Panasonic's Customer Service (in the USA), they will tell you the same (as of yesterday 30 DEC 2011).

Re. the GH2's video capabilities, it is especially stunning when you use on of Nick Driftwood's Intraframe GOP patch codecs ("hack") running at 154Mb/sec or 176Mb/sec.

For lenses, I would probably prefer the 3rd party M4/3 glass, like Voigtlanger and Noktor/SLR Magic. De-clicked, no-nonsense 100% full manual lenses. But the upcoming 12-50mm internal zoom 3-speed servo zoom from Oly looks promising.

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PC Wheeler
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Re: GH1 vs GH2

Jerodequin wrote:

The GH2 definitely gives better image quality, especially at higher ISO settings, the camera itself is a also a little more refined in many areas, with slightly improved controls, faster operation and faster autofocus.

I jumped from my GH1 when the GH2 first became available and have been more than happy with it since.

My experience, GH1 to GH2, as well. Go for the GH2 unless you believe the GH3 is imminent and that you'll like it. If the trend towards touch screen controls continues to the GH3 I'll have to think long and hard about an upgrade: I have no issues with my GH2.
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Jerodequin
Jerodequin Senior Member • Posts: 1,288
Re: GH1 vs GH2

isaac_ali wrote:

Skip a generation...upgrading every generation is not worth it, you'll end up penniless.

This is not my experience at all - In M4/3 I've gone from G1> GH1> GH2 and each time have managed to sell the older body for a very good price on ebay, leaving me with not more than £100 to pay for the new camera, hardly leaving me penniless.

I also do this with my mobile phones and other gadgets (I sold my old EPL1 for more than I paid for it, to finance an EPL3!)

The trick is to not be afraid to go to the new generation relatively early - the longer you leave it the more likely you'll end up with a bad price for the old kit.

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CameraBuff Regular Member • Posts: 271
Re: Welcome to the club

Well said! I too think the GH-3 will bring significant improvements while GH-2 has modest improvements as far as still images go. Video is a different story though. Just one feature of the GH2 for example, has been worth the upgrade for me. The ETC mode in GH2 creates a teleconverter effect in video, effectively giving you an equivalent of the 2.6x focal length for the lens you are using. So when using the 20mm f1.7 lens (40mm equivalent), I can switch to 105mm focal length with the flick of a button without ever changing the lens.

Another thing to keep in mind: I think Panasonic is going to move the GH line to a higher price point, probably similar to Sony NEX 7, around $1200 for body only. GH3 is going to be weatherproof and will have a similar viewfinder as NEX7 among other improvements. Introduction of the GX line allows Panasonic to fill a gap in their range. I fully expect the future GX models to have a built-in EVF. At any rate, if you can get the GH2 at a discounted price for the 14-42 kit (I got mine for $699), it is a bargain. I am hoping to use for another 3 years or so at least before upgrading to the next GH (or GX) camera.

SterlingBjorndahl Senior Member • Posts: 2,167
Auto bracket?

Do you use auto-bracket much? The new firmware for the GH2 speeds up auto-bracket a lot. It's a much more pleasant experience, and operates closer to other cameras I've used. A minor thing, perhaps, but still something else to throw into the mix.

It's tough to know what to advise without knowing how important a few hundred bucks is to your budget. If it's not a big deal, then you may as well get the GH2 now and get the GH3 when it's fairly new, try out all 3 for a few weeks and keep the one or two that you like best. You'll likely end up down a few hundred bucks in the deal, though, so if that's unwelcome in the budget then yeah, just stick with your GH1 and wait to see what others think of the GH3. Investing in lenses is more important than investing in bodies, usually.

That said, I really like my GH2. I skipped the GH1 based on the reviews, and I am generally in the habit of skipping generations or buying used. I couldn't pass up the GH2, though, and I don't regret it. I doubt I'll get the GH3 new unless it knocks people's socks off.

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Birk Binnard
Birk Binnard Senior Member • Posts: 1,982
Re: Welcome to the club

Yes, I agree the the "instant switch" to 2.6X is a great feature of the GH2. I did think long and hard about this and was tempted to make the switch to the GH2 simply because of it.

I did not because my typical shooting situation is a mix of both stills & video (all at 16x9 format of course) and the 2.6X video would not match my associated stills. Note that my final output is either a BluRay disk with combination of stills & video merged together or large prints (often panoramas) printed at 400dpi.

Apparently the GH3 announcement is close-at-hand. I am quite sure the GH3 will support AVCHD2, which is a major improvement and should give the GH3 a long life.

So I am eager to see just what Panasonic has in store for us. My sense is that, due to the use of both GH1's & GH2's for serious professional video work the GH3 will definitely not be a disappointment. Plus I've got to believe the Panasonic folks were aware of the NEX7 and will make the GH3 a strong competitor.
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SF Photo Gal
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Re: Auto bracket?

SterlingBjorndahl wrote:

It's tough to know what to advise without knowing how important a few hundred bucks is to your budget.

I really like to print, so saving my pesos for the new Canon Pro1 printer, which runs about $1000. Was actually thinking about selling a couple of my m4/3 lenses to pay for it.

Also, if there's a new 5DIII next year, that's going to be high on my priority list.

I doubt I'll get the GH3 new unless it knocks people's socks off.
Sterling

I think (hope) Panny decides that this camera needs to make a splash. Read several statements from Panasonic that 2012 was going to be an important year for them. Also with the new Canon cameras coming out and the NEX7, there's going to be a lot of pressure to keep up their lead in video.

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Birk Binnard
Birk Binnard Senior Member • Posts: 1,982
Re: Auto bracket?

If you like prints check out a printing service that has LightJet printers. That's the printer all the pros use and the cost for getting prints made is quite low if you send printer-ready files that need no human tweaking. The service I use here in LA is A&I Photo labs http://www.aandi.com/dtp.html
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SF Photo Gal
OP SF Photo Gal Senior Member • Posts: 2,228
Re: Auto bracket?

Birk Binnard wrote:

If you like prints check out a printing service that has LightJet printers. That's the printer all the pros use and the cost for getting prints made is quite low if you send printer-ready files that need no human tweaking. The service I use here in LA is A&I Photo labs http://www.aandi.com/dtp.html
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Birk Binnard
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I'm very familiar with pro oriented printing services but I use a place locally.

But I like to do my own printing and certain projects require privacy

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SF Photo Gal
OP SF Photo Gal Senior Member • Posts: 2,228
Re: Auto bracket?

Birk Binnard wrote:

If you like prints check out a printing service that has LightJet printers. That's the printer all the pros use and the cost for getting prints made is quite low if you send printer-ready files that need no human tweaking. The service I use here in LA is A&I Photo labs http://www.aandi.com/dtp.html
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BTW, did you assume just cuz I'm a girl that I wouldn't know about professional printing services?

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Birk Binnard
Birk Binnard Senior Member • Posts: 1,982
Re: Auto bracket?

Nope, the fact that you are a girl had nothing to do with it. For many years I did my own printing too, first with an Epson 1280 and later with a Canon i9900 which I still have and use. But one time I went to a photography exhibit in Cambria and thought the photos looked fantastic. The photog just happened to be there and he told me about LightJet printers. I had never heard of them so I did some research and learned why they are so good.

I mentioned LightJets because my sense is that not many people know about them or why they are the best printer out there. And since you said you might be selling lenses to get a new printer I just wanted to make sure you were aware of a good alternative.
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lester11
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Re: GH1 vs GH2

I ran the GH1 for a year or so while my better half ran the G1. Switched to the GH2 when it came out. My better half switched to the G3 recently. Two points for me...

I couldn't really tell the difference between the GH1 shots and the GH2 shots in good light, but when I had to push the ISO, the GH1 topped out at 800, while the GH2 would go to 3200 for similar results. Big plus.

And if you do any tripod or macro work, the touch screen is the other deal-maker, allowing focus point selection that is terrific.
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SHood Veteran Member • Posts: 5,468
GH3

GH3 is not coming next week. Just new kit lenses for the GH2. Rep is confused by the EOL skus for the existing GH2 kits.

Francis Carver wrote:

marike6 wrote:

For video, the GH2 resolved many of the aliasing issues the the GH1 had, and right now is probably THE very best HDSLR available. I also have a 5D Mk II, and it's great for shallow DOF work in video shooting, but the GH2 video image is sharper, it uses the superior AVCHD codec, and it doesn't have the moire, aliasing issues of the Canons.

Waiting for a GH3 is not a bad plan, however it might be a long wait. Nobody knows for sure.

My Panasonic regional sales rep told me yesterday that the press announcement on the Lumix GH3 is coming out in 2-weeks (in Las Vegas), and the camera will be shipping by mid-April 2012. If you call Panasonic's Customer Service (in the USA), they will tell you the same (as of yesterday 30 DEC 2011).

Re. the GH2's video capabilities, it is especially stunning when you use on of Nick Driftwood's Intraframe GOP patch codecs ("hack") running at 154Mb/sec or 176Mb/sec.

For lenses, I would probably prefer the 3rd party M4/3 glass, like Voigtlanger and Noktor/SLR Magic. De-clicked, no-nonsense 100% full manual lenses. But the upcoming 12-50mm internal zoom 3-speed servo zoom from Oly looks promising.

http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/product.asp?product=1582

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Button Pusher
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Re: GH1 vs GH2

SF Photo Gal wrote:

And be nice. Some of you guys can be real d*ckheads with your comments to the uniformed.

Calling us that right out of the gate is hardly the way to win friendly responses from people but I'll bite anyway.

As a former GH1 owner and now GH2 owner, I believe that the GH2 is a must upgrade for anyone who liked what the GH1 provided in both stills and video and wants improvements across the board in image processing, sensor, features, and speed.

Will any of these improvements make a person a better photographer? No. But they will provide you with more reliable results and more options to take pictures.

The touch screen can be quite useful, the camera focuses even faster, and lower light photography is better than the GH1.

If you feared taking JPGs with the GH1, the GH2 has taken many steps in the right direction.

If most of your pictures are of good light and you process RAW only, the GH2 might not be worth getting yet, depending on your budget and priorities. Perhaps one of the newer primes might be a better purchase or one of the upcoming fast zooms.

What lighting and focal length conditions do you find yourself taking pictures the most? Do you post process much or only when the in camera processing fails to deliver?

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Bob Meyer Veteran Member • Posts: 5,375
Don't disagree, but....

The GH2 is certainly not hard to get. It was for a while, but supplies are very plentiful now.

I think the biggest advantages of the GH2 for most users is the significantly faster AF and noticeably better EVF. For shooting moving subjects, the upgrade is probably worth it. For landscapes and static interiors, probably not. I believe the EVF on the GH1 is the same as on the G2, which I have. For shooting in dim light, the EVF on the GH2 is much better.

With the price drop on the GH2 I would definitely choose to buy a GH2 rather than a used GH1. I'm not sure I'd upgrade if I already had a GH1, though, unless I found the AF and EVF a problem for the kinds of things I photographed.

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PC Wheeler
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Re: GH1 vs GH2

Button Pusher wrote:

SF Photo Gal wrote:

And be nice. Some of you guys can be real d*ckheads with your comments to the uniformed.

Calling us that right out of the gate is hardly the way to win friendly responses from people but I'll bite anyway.

I like her refreshing candor, though don't think she's "uniformed" or even particularly uninformed

The GH2 is a major improvement from the GH1, IMO -- and I liked my GH1 in its day.

If the GH3 is what I hope it to be, I'll be an early adopter: At my age, I don't wait to upgrade I do fear the trend toward touch-screen control will continue. On the GH2 you can do everything with the screen not active for control. I hope the GH3 continues in the same vein vs. removing switches and buttons now on the GH2.

Today the GH2 is the best camera I've owned, and that includes the EOS 7D, Sony SLT-A55, Oly E-PL3 and earlier models. I hope the GH3 outshines the GH2; if not I'll be happy to continue using my GH2 for several more years.

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boyzo Veteran Member • Posts: 4,516
Re: GH1 vs GH2 for Video GH2 rocks

for stills not much in it really.. it come back mostly to video and other features

Like the Touch screen is AMAZING etc .. and what you can do with it with the latest FW upgrade.

u43 sensor won't ever match the IQ of the 5DMkii and upcoming MkIII

If small is what you want GH2 is great GH3 no just more MP and some trick Video

I wont get one (GH3)

I think 5DMkIII is the killer (Size No Option)

saghost Senior Member • Posts: 1,520
Re: GH1 vs GH2

If Panasonic sticks to their 18 month cycles, the GH3 is due this spring. Based on their comments last year, I'm hoping to see a global shutter on it.
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Francis Carver Senior Member • Posts: 1,122
Re: GH1 vs GH2

If you do not like touching your LCD screen for everything, like I don't, maybe the Lumix DMC-GH2 is really not all that good for you, anyhow.

Francis Carver Senior Member • Posts: 1,122
Re: GH1 vs GH2 for Video GH2 rocks

Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH3 camera's specs have not yet been released. So you cannot yet know what that camera will and will not do, can you? But the announcement will likely come within the next 10-15 days, and the camera itself by April.

Touch-screen LCD is a bad idea for those who want to take their photos and videos using an electronic viewfinder. When I shoot, I don't even want to look at the LCD screen, let alone keep on poking it with my finger. Not a very good way to interface with a camera, but okay for a smart phone and tablet, for instance.

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