Sigma's next camera will be ???

Started Dec 13, 2011 | Discussions
DMillier Forum Pro • Posts: 20,131
Re: Sigma's next camera will of course

I'm not convinced Sigma are so realistic about lenses any more, either. They do all right with their kit and low end lenses but the pricing of their serious lenses is no longer so much cheaper than the majors as it was. In many cases they seem to imagine people will pay as much for a Sigma as they will for a Canon or Nikon.

I know the world markets are volatile but a few years ago I bought the 100-300mm F4. This is still easily my most expensive lens at around £600. I never use it of course as it is far too big and heavy but the price of the last version I saw on sale had more than doubled. Ridiculous money for a budget third party maker. I think Sigma are suffering from delusions of grandeur.

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This was the sign for me, was it?

DMillier wrote:

Silkypix has its fans and it has some good technologies but they need to hire a native english speaker to re-work the English language version. The user interface is gibberish because of the strangle labeling and terminology they use.
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You can give the interface Your own gibberish,
by changing the SILKYPIXStr.dat:

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...You can rename "contrast" to "punch", "color" to "colour",
"noise control" to "peace keeper", or whatever You want!

...just for the record.

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Roland Karlsson Forum Pro • Posts: 27,491
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DMillier wrote:

Silkypix has its fans and it has some good technologies but they need to hire a native english speaker to re-work the English language version. The user interface is gibberish because of the strangle labeling and terminology they use.

Welcome to the world of translated user interfaces.

Something we non English speaking people have been living with for decades.

Personally I configure all my programs to speak English, if possible. If I choose Swedish, its almost always very hard to understand.

For some reason, it seems that letting some native speaker that knows the kind of product read the text, never crossed their mind.

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DMillier Forum Pro • Posts: 20,131
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That's quite handy, thanks for that tip.

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I always thought a rule of the translating profession was that the translation should always be from the foreign language to the first language of the translator. Doing it the other way round often results in something that might be technically correct but for some reason just doesn't sound right. The Japanese companies seem to insist on doing the translations themselves for some reason - with predictably hilarious results (like calling "grain" "speckles" or something similar).

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Roland Karlsson Forum Pro • Posts: 27,491
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DMillier wrote:

I always thought a rule of the translating profession was that the translation should always be from the foreign language to the first language of the translator. Doing it the other way round often results in something that might be technically correct but for some reason just doesn't sound right. The Japanese companies seem to insist on doing the translations themselves for some reason - with predictably hilarious results (like calling "grain" "speckles" or something similar).

For some reason I think one of the funnier is that I shall use the menu item "Property" when I shall change settings in my Japanese mail client Becky. Its almost correct

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petr marek Regular Member • Posts: 179
Re: Sigma's next camera will be ???

...announced late and delivered even later...

Roland Karlsson Forum Pro • Posts: 27,491
Re: Sigma's next camera will be ???

petr marek wrote:

...announced late and delivered even later...

That has a ring of truth.

Probably Sigma is quite taken back by the reception of SD1. I would not be surprised if they are quite confused now, not knowing what to do. They are usually quite slow, but this situation has probably not made them any faster, rather the opposite.

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I envy you your psychic powers

Probably Sigma is quite taken back by the reception of SD1. I would not be surprised if they are quite confused now, not knowing what to do. They are usually quite slow, but this situation has probably not made them any faster, rather the opposite.

For a reality check, have a look here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1027&message=40108955

richard stone Senior Member • Posts: 2,592
Re: Sigma's next camera will be ???

Really Roland, how is it you have come to know everything?

How much everything costs, how to succeed in business, what Sigma should do, and all the rest?

And my favorite, that my belief about the Foveon sensors requiring a fair amount of light to function at their best... And so larger pixels might be better? At least as a historical factor, not necessarily that it will always be that way, or has to be that way, ...That's a myth?

Your exquisite and perfect knowledge would be quite impressive, if it were true.

Richard

Roland Karlsson wrote:

petr marek wrote:

...announced late and delivered even later...

That has a ring of truth.

Probably Sigma is quite taken back by the reception of SD1. I would not be surprised if they are quite confused now, not knowing what to do. They are usually quite slow, but this situation has probably not made them any faster, rather the opposite.

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Usee Senior Member • Posts: 2,223
Re: I envy you your psychic powers

mrkr wrote:

Probably Sigma is quite taken back by the reception of SD1. I would not be surprised if they are quite confused now, not knowing what to do. They are usually quite slow, but this situation has probably not made them any faster, rather the opposite.

For a reality check, have a look here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1027&message=40108955

How trustworthy is the "reality" Sigma is communicating to the public?

...and now, who do You think needs a TRUE reality check?

MF, 46 MP, software, price, PR, lenses, QC...

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Roland in disguise?

MF, 46 MP, software, price, PR, lenses, QC...

You do understand the concepts of forecast, looking into the future, making plans etc?

Here for me the main conclusion I draw from Impress Japan's overview of what are the plans for 2012 (and beyond) of Japanese camera makers like Nikon, Sony, Sigma, Fuji etc, as far as Sigma is concerned:

The reports of the impending death of Sigma's camera and sensor ambitions (DP, SD and Foveon) might be a bit premature and greatly exaggerated (if not downright wrong).

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Usee Senior Member • Posts: 2,223
Re: Roland in disguise?

mrkr wrote:

MF, 46 MP, software, price, PR, lenses, QC...

You do understand the concepts of forecast, looking into the future, making plans etc?

Nothing new to me...

Here for me the main conclusion I draw from Impress Japan's overview of what are the plans for 2012 (and beyond) of Japanese camera makers like Nikon, Sony, Sigma, Fuji etc, as far as Sigma is concerned:

The reports of the impending death of Sigma's camera and sensor ambitions (DP, SD and Foveon) might be a bit premature and greatly exaggerated (if not downright wrong).

That is the logic consequence of some hints I already gave according to the Sigma camera division, which probably is subventioned since years by the lens sales and is therefore only dying, if the privat owners of the Sigma Corp. likes it - like in all private dynasties...

...nothing to speculate here (it can happen anytime!).

But one can decide (in a real democracy), whether one takes part in the private game they play, or not.

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I simply don't understand the meaning of this:

But one can decide (in a real democracy), whether one takes part in the private game they play, or not.

Roland Karlsson Forum Pro • Posts: 27,491
Re: Sigma's next camera will be ???

richard stone wrote:

Really Roland, how is it you have come to know everything?

What kind of question is that?

You have to be nice now. No photo stuff from Santa otherwise.

Of course I dont know what Sigma people thinks. I just wrote that they probably are confused and worried now after the massive critique they have got. Maybe they are not - but wouldnt that be strange?

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SigmaChrome Forum Pro • Posts: 10,004
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Sigma has a fully dedicated "camera division"? Are you sure about that?

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SigmaChrome wrote:

Sigma has a fully dedicated "camera division"? Are you sure about that?

Who said that?

I said:

"That is the logic consequence of some hints I already gave according to the Sigma camera division, which probably is subventioned since years by the lens sales and is therefore only dying, if the privat owners of the Sigma Corp. likes it - like in all private dynasties...
...nothing to speculate here (it can happen anytime!)."

I call the part of the private Sigma Corp., who is responsible for the cameras and the resulting output, "camera division".

Whether people also have responsibility for the lens, or sales department, or whether this private Corp. calls those parts "department", "divison" or not,
or has no names for those people and their work, isn't that interesting for me.

You can call it like You want, but I thought, that one would understand what I mean.

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Whether (some) R&D people have influence on everything and are not (publicly) listed as a part of Sigma Corp., is also a question that could be raised,
but for what purpose?

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I am interested in the output.

If the output could or should be better for the sake of the whole (idea / concept),
I make suggestions...

...and if this doesn't work as expected, I give an advice, also based on proveable facts and careful considerations.

If even this doesn't work, than they have to help themselves - by changing themselves.

But anyway, it is sad to see someone running with open eyes and firm steps against a wall...

...I wouldn't follow. Punkt.

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I wait and see...

...until 12.12.12 at 12.12.12 CET, to have at least six double six and 4 points,
which is at least a suited reminder for a marriage...

...but I guess, that if Fuji is as good as I expect, I will only take a short look on that date on Sigma to remember a good idea ruined by fools.

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SigmaChrome Forum Pro • Posts: 10,004
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Usee wrote:

SigmaChrome wrote:

Sigma has a fully dedicated "camera division"? Are you sure about that?

Who said that?

Let me re-phrase: Sigma needs a fully dedicated camera division - dedicated to producing a professional Camera System . With the new Foveon technology available to them, I believe they could be capable of creating something extraordinary - maybe even a camera that could rival the Leica M9 (but not FF - APS-C). Anyway, I can only dream...
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Roland Karlsson Forum Pro • Posts: 27,491
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SigmaChrome wrote:

Let me re-phrase: Sigma needs a fully dedicated camera division - dedicated to producing a professional Camera System . With the new Foveon technology available to them, I believe they could be capable of creating something extraordinary - maybe even a camera that could rival the Leica M9 (but not FF - APS-C). Anyway, I can only dream...

Just three questions

1. How large do you think a fully dedicated camera section needs to be, e.g. like Canon's, Pentax's or Leica's? In money and in people?

2. How big do you think Sigma's camera section is?

3. If the figures above differ greatly, how do you think Sigma can approach that?

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Answer to 3:

3. If the figures above differ greatly, how do you think Sigma can approach that?

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