Macro Flash Controller MFC-1000 and 1200 Ringflash with SLTs?

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imarollingstone Veteran Member • Posts: 3,638
Macro Flash Controller MFC-1000 and 1200 Ringflash with SLTs?

One of my last purchases during the Minolta days was a Macro Flash Controller. This is the controller that works with both the 1200 ringflash and the 2400 Macro Flash. It works fine on both my KM7D and A700, but seriously overexposes with the 1200. Is the A55 not compatible with this?

Has anyone tried the A77 with this combo? I have yet to try the 2400 on the A55.
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WaltKnapp Forum Pro • Posts: 13,857
Re: Macro Flash Controller MFC-1000 and 1200 Ringflash with SLTs?

imarollingstone wrote:

One of my last purchases during the Minolta days was a Macro Flash Controller. This is the controller that works with both the 1200 ringflash and the 2400 Macro Flash. It works fine on both my KM7D and A700, but seriously overexposes with the 1200. Is the A55 not compatible with this?

I've used the Minolta macro ringflash ever since long, long ago when Minolta first brought it out. It's a critical piece of equipment in my work. Just from time to time updating as controllers changed. I've several of the heads of both types and several of the MFC-1000 controllers. It's never failed to be highly accurate for exposure in macro and closeup work for me. That includes the a700. Only done a few test shots with the a55 in the store with it, but those were ok. Either using the 1200 as main light source or as secondary fill light with the a700 it's been right on as usual.

Are you using the 1200 for macro/closeup, or into trying other types of shooting with it? It's a specialist flash and rarely can be pushed much beyond about 10'.

Has anyone tried the A77 with this combo? I have yet to try the 2400 on the A55.

I'll be interested in this, sooner or later Sony is bound to mess up on it and yet another area will die with Sony gear. It's critical equipment in my photography. I would not expect much difference between the 1200 and 2400 as the changes are in flashtube configuration and all the exposure control is in the controller or camera body.

Walt

imarollingstone OP Veteran Member • Posts: 3,638
Re: Macro Flash Controller MFC-1000 and 1200 Ringflash with SLTs?

WaltKnapp wrote:

imarollingstone wrote:

One of my last purchases during the Minolta days was a Macro Flash Controller. This is the controller that works with both the 1200 ringflash and the 2400 Macro Flash. It works fine on both my KM7D and A700, but seriously overexposes with the 1200. Is the A55 not compatible with this?

I've used the Minolta macro ringflash ever since long, long ago when Minolta first brought it out. It's a critical piece of equipment in my work. Just from time to time updating as controllers changed. I've several of the heads of both types and several of the MFC-1000 controllers. It's never failed to be highly accurate for exposure in macro and closeup work for me. That includes the a700. Only done a few test shots with the a55 in the store with it, but those were ok. Either using the 1200 as main light source or as secondary fill light with the a700 it's been right on as usual.

Are you using the 1200 for macro/closeup, or into trying other types of shooting with it? It's a specialist flash and rarely can be pushed much beyond about 10'.

I just picked up another used 1200 since I had one fail recently and I was testing it to make sure it worked. I found one of the light tubes doesn't work. I'll see if I can get the seller to discount it a bit.

I don't use them often and I hadn't remembered if I had done anything with the A55, but it was way over exposed on a shot from about 6-8 feet. The same shot was fine on the A700.

Has anyone tried the A77 with this combo? I have yet to try the 2400 on the A55.

I'll be interested in this, sooner or later Sony is bound to mess up on it and yet another area will die with Sony gear. It's critical equipment in my photography. I would not expect much difference between the 1200 and 2400 as the changes are in flashtube configuration and all the exposure control is in the controller or camera body.

Walt

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Cetonid Senior Member • Posts: 2,494
I'll try the 1200/MFC-1000 on an A77 next week.

I'll post back rusults on this thread.

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imarollingstone OP Veteran Member • Posts: 3,638
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RutgerO New Member • Posts: 8
Re: I'll try the 1200/MFC-1000 on an A77 next week.

I tried the Minolta MFC-1000 and the Minolta Ring Flash on Sony SLT-A77 at MediaMarkt. I was disappointed: The flash is not supported on A77. They had the latest A77 firmware 1.03 installed. This version of the firmware is supposed to support the Sony Twin Flash (according to Sony's web page). The Sony flash controller looks identical to MFC-1000. I really hope that Sony will fix support for the Minolta Ring Flash.

imarollingstone OP Veteran Member • Posts: 3,638
Re: I'll try the 1200/MFC-1000 on an A77 next week.

RutgerO wrote:

I tried the Minolta MFC-1000 and the Minolta Ring Flash on Sony SLT-A77 at MediaMarkt. I was disappointed: The flash is not supported on A77. They had the latest A77 firmware 1.03 installed. This version of the firmware is supposed to support the Sony Twin Flash (according to Sony's web page). The Sony flash controller looks identical to MFC-1000. I really hope that Sony will fix support for the Minolta Ring Flash.

Thanks, I was afraid of that.
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RutgerO New Member • Posts: 8
Re: I'll try the 1200/MFC-1000 on an A77 next week.

A small hope, perhaps: Maybe there was a technical problem with the A77 at MediaMarkt (but I doubt it). My Minolta Ring Flash works fine with my KM 7D. I suggest that you also do a test on A77. I have mailed a question to Sony. After a week no reply from them.

RutgerO New Member • Posts: 8
Re: I'll try the 1200/MFC-1000 on an A77 next week.

I have continued to find facts about compatibility of the Minolta MCF-1000 and Minolta 1200 Ring Flash on Sony SLT-A77. This is what Sony is saying at their web-site:

http://www.sony-asia.com/support/slt-a77v/checkcompatibility

select:

  • External Flash Compatibility Chart

  • Compatibility for SLT-A77V:

http://www.sony-asia.com/support/compatibility/206669/product/slt-a77v

Under Konica Minolta Flash select "Macro Ring Flash 1200"
then "Compatible Function". The answer is: P-TTL (Pre-flash TTL) = YES

So, according to Sony, the Minolta Ring Flash 1200 is supported (but it did not fire when I tested it on A77). Maybe a further upgrade of the firmware is needed?

tom Senior Member • Posts: 2,724
Re: I'll try the 1200/MFC-1000 on an A77 next week.

RutgerO wrote:

I have continued to find facts about compatibility of the Minolta MCF-1000 and Minolta 1200 Ring Flash on Sony SLT-A77. This is what Sony is saying at their web-site:

http://www.sony-asia.com/support/slt-a77v/checkcompatibility

select:

  • External Flash Compatibility Chart

  • Compatibility for SLT-A77V:

http://www.sony-asia.com/support/compatibility/206669/product/slt-a77v

Under Konica Minolta Flash select "Macro Ring Flash 1200"
then "Compatible Function". The answer is: P-TTL (Pre-flash TTL) = YES

So, according to Sony, the Minolta Ring Flash 1200 is supported (but it did not fire when I tested it on A77). Maybe a further upgrade of the firmware is needed?

When I went to that link and clicked on "compatible function" - it sent me to the compatibility chart for that flash. However, in the top row of the table there are 2 columns of cameras, the NEX (not compatible) and the a-mount. But the list of cameras in the a-mount section only shows for SLTs the A33, 35, and 55. There is nothing in the table that shows A77 (even though you get to the table from the A77 compatibility page.) So unfortunately, still a ??? until someone tries it and shows it works.

tom

RutgerO New Member • Posts: 8
Re: I'll try the 1200/MFC-1000 on an A77 next week.

OK Tom, you are right. The compatibility table does not include A77. But I came to this page from a page that talked about A77 compatibility. Sony has a few things to clear up: Their web-pages to start with. But most importantly to fix support for the Minolta Ring Flash on A77.

imarollingstone OP Veteran Member • Posts: 3,638
Re: I'll try the 1200/MFC-1000 on an A77 next week.

RutgerO wrote:

OK Tom, you are right. The compatibility table does not include A77. But I came to this page from a page that talked about A77 compatibility. Sony has a few things to clear up: Their web-pages to start with. But most importantly to fix support for the Minolta Ring Flash on A77.

Interesting, it does say it is compatible with the A55, but it doesn't seem to work correctly with mine. I may have the camera set to ADI flash, so I'll mess around with it and report back.
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Re: I'll try the 1200/MFC-1000 on an A77 next week.

I also have a Canon ring flash...
I believe all should be exposed manually, no matter what system are you using.
Besides, normal flash guns with diffuse reflectors are much better
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I have no problems on the A77

I did some tests with the A77, Tamron 60mm macro and MFC-1000/1200 ringflash and exposures were pretty good between 1:4 and 1:1.

I set it on A, rear sync, ISO at 200 or lower and I'm good. The metering only gets bothered by aiming straight at a highly reflective object (so far). I have yet to try it in the field, but I see no problems yet.

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HopeSpringsEternal Regular Member • Posts: 484
Re: Macro Flash Controller MFC-1000 and 1200 Ringflash with SLTs?

If you don't want it, I'll buy it off your hands.

imarollingstone wrote:

One of my last purchases during the Minolta days was a Macro Flash Controller. This is the controller that works with both the 1200 ringflash and the 2400 Macro Flash. It works fine on both my KM7D and A700, but seriously overexposes with the 1200. Is the A55 not compatible with this?

Has anyone tried the A77 with this combo? I have yet to try the 2400 on the A55.
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Leon van Roosmalen Contributing Member • Posts: 563
Re: I'll try the 1200/MFC-1000 on an A77 next week.

I use the Metz Mecablitz 15 MS-1 and it's TTL. Uses the pop-up flash to control it ( comes with a cap to block the pop-flash contributing to the exposure ).
And it can be used with Sony, Canon, Nikon, Olympus and some other brands.

It can be used manual also.

Greetings Leon.
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imarollingstone OP Veteran Member • Posts: 3,638
Re: Macro Flash Controller MFC-1000 and 1200 Ringflash with SLTs?

HopeSpringsEternal wrote:

If you don't want it, I'll buy it off your hands.

I don't think so I have the 2400 and have been picking up used 1200s for a while in case on goes bad. It works great on my A700 and KM7D. It was pretty painful to purchase at the time, but I'm glad I did.

imarollingstone wrote:

One of my last purchases during the Minolta days was a Macro Flash Controller. This is the controller that works with both the 1200 ringflash and the 2400 Macro Flash. It works fine on both my KM7D and A700, but seriously overexposes with the 1200. Is the A55 not compatible with this?

Has anyone tried the A77 with this combo? I have yet to try the 2400 on the A55.
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Re: I have no problems on the A77

Cetonid wrote:

I did some tests with the A77, Tamron 60mm macro and MFC-1000/1200 ringflash and exposures were pretty good between 1:4 and 1:1.

I set it on A, rear sync, ISO at 200 or lower and I'm good. The metering only gets bothered by aiming straight at a highly reflective object (so far). I have yet to try it in the field, but I see no problems yet.

PS It's Front Curtain Shutter set to Off, not rear sync.

Agreed, works with the Sony 100mm macro as well, but thanks for the rear sync tip, I thought it was not working until I switched it.

Observations / Questions:

1) When you turn the camera on, the controller switches on automatically. It doesn't do this on the A900. It also does this with the Sony twin macro flash.

2) In A mode on the A900 the shutter speed is fixed at 1/100. On the A77, it's fixed at 1/60. Any reason for this that anyone can think of? Maybe because there's no mirror so you don't need the speed? I usually use manual, but 1/60 is slow for butterflies and flowers if there's wind.

3) I must say the A77 is much faster than the A900. I'm not sure whether it's just macro - my plan is to use the A77 exclusively for a couple of weeks and then go back to the A900 to evaluate the viewfinder, so I'll know for sure at that stage.

4) Focus peaking and zooming, combined with the option to view on the LCD, seems to make a huge positive difference to focusing. I'm going to the butterfly conservatory over the weekend, so I'll know for sure after that. HOWEVER, compared to the A900, the viewfinder is just not as clear. If you want to just manual focus without using peaking or zooming, I think the A900 is better. Subject to alteration after the weekend.

5) A question about using which flash for butterflies. I have both the Minolta Ring Flash and the Sony Twin Flash, and I've never been able to decide which is better. On both, I can get light speckles reflecting off butterfly wings, and I usually dial in -.7 flash compensation, which helps somewhat.

Also on both I find that colors sometimes reproduce horribly wrong. I shoot in RAW and try to adjust WB using the auto and manual settings, but reds in particular are wrong. I find that auto WB and flash WB yield identical results. To get the colors right I used to shoot without flash and then used that (blurred) shot as a color guide. Then I got wise and bought a book from the butterfly conservatory that shows all the species.
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WaltKnapp Forum Pro • Posts: 13,857
Re: Macro Flash Controller MFC-1000 and 1200 Ringflash with SLTs?

imarollingstone wrote:

I just picked up another used 1200 since I had one fail recently and I was testing it to make sure it worked. I found one of the light tubes doesn't work. I'll see if I can get the seller to discount it a bit.

It's usually the switches that fail on the ring. Sometimes takes nothing more than contact cleaner to fix them.

Walt

Papasha Senior Member • Posts: 2,149
Thank you Photos-Mike and Cetonid! Works Well Now!!!!

Works, if you switch Front Curtain Shutter OFF.

Somehow that allows the pre-flesh to work. Without it – pre-flesh is not activated and pics are not exposed enough, so everything is dark. Switching Front Curtain Shutter of OFF cures that – pre-flesh is fired and exposure is dead-on.

Worked in A mode with shutter being stuck at 1/60s, but switching to M I can move shutter up to 1/250s independently whether SSS is ON or OFF. So, works pretty well, thanks guys for the Curtain Shutter OFF tip – I would give up and never use it on A77 if it wasn’t for that tip.

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