fungus on Tamron lens - shot with Nikkor 105 f/4 AI-S

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Alex Notpro
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fungus on Tamron lens - shot with Nikkor 105 f/4 AI-S
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Lately I've been buying old AI / AI-S lenses to experiment with.

These pics were taken with a 105mm f/4 AI-S on a D7000. The subject lens is a Tamron Macro Zoom 70-210 f/3.8-4. Does anybody know where I can send it to have the fungus removed? I paid $25 for it on eBay and I have no idea what I was thinking when I bid...

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Snapshott Senior Member • Posts: 2,309
Re: fungus on Tamron lens - shot with Nikkor 105 f/4 AI-S

I too like using the old manual focus focus lenses. I'm not an expert but I believe that is too bad to be repaired as the fungus can etch into the glass. Even if it could be fixed it's likely that it would be cheaper to find a clean lens than pay the repair bill.
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VertigonA380 Senior Member • Posts: 1,133
Re: fungus on Tamron lens - shot with Nikkor 105 f/4 AI-S

Considering this a cheap lens you may want to consider cleaning it yourself. Firstly take of the filter and clean the front element. If the surface is ok then theres a good chance the back face of the front element is in good condition. I'm not sure where to go to find Tamron dissassembly information but I know I'd give it a go.

Petruska Veteran Member • Posts: 9,361
Don't store this lens near your other lenses

you can actually transfer the fungus to the other lenses under the right conditions.

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Dennis DH Senior Member • Posts: 1,241
Re: Don't store this lens near your other lenses

I would isolate this lens from your other lens, and I would guess that the lens elements are etched beyond repair.

Hansa Yindee
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Re: Don't store this lens near your other lenses

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Just out of curiosity can a lens with fungus transfer
the fungus to the camera body ?
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Re: fungus on Tamron lens - shot with Nikkor 105 f/4 AI-S

Just cleaned fungus off the inside of the front element of my nikkor 18-200.

This is a shame, strange that after all these years no company has made a joint (safe) biocide/ silica packet to keep in gear bags to kill fungus.

I put silica gel packet in my bag and intend to get more and load up, but still, I would have thought a biocide enhanced silica packet would be better?

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ZoneV Regular Member • Posts: 209
Re: fungus on Tamron lens - shot with Nikkor 105 f/4 AI-S

VertigonA380 wrote:

Considering this a cheap lens you may want to consider cleaning it yourself. Firstly take of the filter and clean the front element. If the surface is ok then theres a good chance the back face of the front element is in good condition. I'm not sure where to go to find Tamron dissassembly information but I know I'd give it a go.

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I don´t think you get a repair service that clean the lens for USD 50 (at least I would suppose that from German pricing).

But from the pictures I would suppose it could be the front element that should be cleaned - and this could be easy. Other elements on a zoomlens are much harder to access.

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VertigonA380 Senior Member • Posts: 1,133
Re: fungus on Tamron lens - shot with Nikkor 105 f/4 AI-S

I suggested starting with the front element because if this item is unrecoverable then more than likely it won't be worth trying to save. By no means would cleaning the front element be an adequate service, only indicative of the expenditure to follow.

ZoneV Regular Member • Posts: 209
Re: fungus on Tamron lens - shot with Nikkor 105 f/4 AI-S

From the picture I would say at least the front element has heavy fungus. If that is removed, and no other element has fungus I would use the lens.

If other lenses infected, I would look how much that is. Probably it does not harm the image quality too much.

I would not suggets to pay a repair for that lens, because it will cost too much.
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KitHB New Member • Posts: 11
Re: fungus on Tamron lens - shot with Nikkor 105 f/4 AI-S

that lens does look pretty fetid, I'd quarantine it. If I wasn't so worried about passing fungus spores to another piece of glass or into a camera I'd experiment with its soft focus qualities. I had one of those when I was a teenager and it was soft wide open, which was pretty useful when your intended portrait targets were so super-sensitive about their how their skin looked.

The one-touch action can suck dust (and spores) inside to the other surfaces.

If this was a German lens they'd probably call it a Fungar II and add a few hundred to the price.

Has anyone published any natural history on the species of lens fungus?

Could it be killed off with a laser or with a burst of UV or X-rays?

ianz28 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,482
Re: Don't store this lens near your other lenses

Hansa Yindee wrote:

Just out of curiosity can a lens with fungus transfer
the fungus to the camera body ?
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I would imagine the answer to that is yes! Air moves in the lens from focusing and zooming. That air goes straight into the mirrorbox. And then there would be potential to move spores from your camera body to your other lenses.

I would maybe play with this lens to use as an experimental lens for dis-assembly. And I'd probably keep the f-mount (well cleaned). But, I'd trash the rest of the lens after playing with it.

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ianz28 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,482
Re: fungus on Tamron lens - shot with Nikkor 105 f/4 AI-S

ZoneV wrote:

From the picture I would say at least the front element has heavy fungus. If that is removed, and no other element has fungus I would use the lens.

If other lenses infected, I would look how much that is. Probably it does not harm the image quality too much.

I would not suggets to pay a repair for that lens, because it will cost too much.
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Only problem is that the entire lens is infected. Not just the front element. I would not use this lens unless you don't mind possibly contaminating all of your lenses.

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Re: Don't store this lens near your other lenses

Anybody use the lens / body caps that hold silica packs? I guess these would be effective in having the silica right by the elements.
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Alex Notpro
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Re: Don't store this lens near your other lenses

Petruska wrote:

you can actually transfer the fungus to the other lenses under the right conditions.

Thanks, I thought about that and kept it at a safe distance from all other camera gear... disinfected my hands after handling. I've sent it off to a place that promises a free estimate... let's see what happens.

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ZoneV Regular Member • Posts: 209
Re: fungus on Tamron lens - shot with Nikkor 105 f/4 AI-S

I don´t think that fungus infection spread that good.

As far as I read from biologists there are many fungus spores around in the air, on the skin, ..

I have more than 100 lenses, and ~ 10 lenses with uncleaned fungus. And probably 10 with cleaned fungus . But my cleaning involves no complete full desinfection of all the housing, iris, helicoid...
Up to now I have no fungus infection from one lens to another.

Not all of my lenses have contact (same camera bag for example) with the fungus lenses - only my lenses I regulary use and not want to sell have this contact.

I have one lens that got fungus - apart from all other lenses some months in a bag - it got some heat and humidity there. It got fungus. That was my first lens with fungus. It was a lens that I bought new, so I know that it could nearly not be infected from other fungus lenses.

I buy lenses with fungus to do some experimentation / cleaning with them.

With this experience, and with the experience of other users of older manual lenses, I see no big danger in infection from one lens to another.

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ZoneV Regular Member • Posts: 209
Re: fungus on Tamron lens - shot with Nikkor 105 f/4 AI-S

KitHB wrote:

Could it be killed off with a laser or with a burst of UV or X-rays?

As far as I remember one who works in nuclear power plants saw fungus (not on lenses) in hot zones. Fungus is very rigid.

UV should kill fungus - not sure if that works 100%. Sometimes in summer I let single lenses that I have fungus clean take a sun bath on each of its sides. Glass blocks UV radiation very well.

It is necessary to clean a lens, to get rit of the fungus, only destroying it does not make the image quality better.

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Michael Benveniste
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Re: fungus on Tamron lens - shot with Nikkor 105 f/4 AI-S

The damage you see is the result of a fungal infestation. It's not the fungus itself. There may still be active, ongoing fungal growth, or not. There may be a leftover concentration of spores, or not. There's no way to tell without additional testing.

Over the years, there's been a fair amount of debate whether lens fungus is contagious or not. But in some ways, it's a moot point. The fungi which attack lenses are everywhere in spore form. Both you and your lenses are exposed to it constantly.

Fungus will "bloom" and attack the coatings and lubricants in certain conditions. The most dangerous scenario is a dark, humid, space with restricted air circulation. Gear tends to get exposed to such conditions in "batches," such as when it's sitting in a camera bag. Since the growth rate depends on variables such as the amount of available organic material, it will proceed at different rates in different lenses. So while it may not be a direct lens-to-lens transmission, the result is the same -- "outbreaks" of related lens damage.

The way I look at it, isolating this lens from your other gear is a low-cost way to give yourself a little peace of mind. This lens isn't anything exceptional optically nor from a collecting standpoint, so in my opinion it isn't worth paying someone to try to salvage it. Should you decide to disassemble it as a science project, I suggest doing so in a well-ventilated, brightly lit area away from your other gear.

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