Epic Win or Epic Fail - J1/V1

Started Sep 21, 2011 | Discussions
Trollshavethebestcandy
Trollshavethebestcandy Contributing Member • Posts: 517
Re: EPIC! Win.

Then maybe NIKON should have waited 5 years to release something worthy.
Maybe Nikon should have started 5 YEARS AGO!!!!

sandy b
sandy b Veteran Member • Posts: 9,334
WIN

With a capitol W.

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AdamT
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Hands on Video here

In use Video here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryuUpCWnO0w

the pancake is slower and bigger than the M43 Panasonic 14mm F2.5 , the 10X zoom as big as the M43 ones too when zoomed ! , the cam looks bigger than an Oly EPM1 and it looks positively Home Made . the P7000 kills it for buttons and dials ......

This thing ought to be the size of the Pentax Q, not a Micro 4/3 cam

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Cytokine Contributing Member • Posts: 688
Re: Epic Win or Epic Fail - J1/V1

Having overcome my initial disappointment at the lack of manual controls and of any heritage elements in the design (like Fuji) In fact the bland looking front with the ugly flat bulge (why did they not put the Nikon name here?) Combine with the large tasteless 1, to produce something that is very Unlike any previous Nikon.

Reading the specifications though it appears that the camera could be quite decent, just like an automatic Mercedes that does everything well, and maybe the camera will do good colours easily. "My only concern is the crop factor and depth of field" but the target market are probably more interested in matching their hand bags and shoes! Not to mention a version with diamond inlays. This could be what the bulge is for!

The good news is that this camera, is so not aimed at enthusiasts, that they may have another version planned.

I personally find this new direction in Nikon Marketing slightly disturbing. but hey maybe a little Caerphilly lace is just what the D400 needs!

John

kongqueror Regular Member • Posts: 213
Re: Epic Win or Epic Fail - J1/V1

Specifically talking about the V1 but may also be applied to the J1. As a prospective entrant into either a DSLR or MILC, it fails for me. When compared to u4/3, it is not much smaller even when considering lenses. You get inferior IQ for roughly the same size. Why bother? It doesn't compete with Sony NEX either - for me, NEX was never really about a "pocketable" camera but DSLR IQ in a smaller form factor. Same situation vs. Samsung NX100/200. I also don't understand getting rid of PASM on the dial. The common argument for this is it's for the consumer anyways, BUT won't that same consumer be confused with the interchangeable lens part of this line as well? If PASM confuses them, then the multitude of lenses and their different aperture characteristics and applications will also befuddle them!

In my case, this line just does not make sense when I can get a Samsung NX10/11, a Panasonic G2/G3. Eliminating my need for built-in EVF, Nikon 1 has even much more stiffer competition with the addition of Sony NEX and the Oly EPs.

I really can't find any appeal at all for this, even for the soccer mom who just wants better IQ in Auto mode.

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Thoughts Contributing Member • Posts: 561
Re: Epic Win or Epic Fail - J1/V1

It seems logic as DPR and others point out, by choosing this size sensor, Nikon would not loss bussiness from their (currently) profitable DSLR lines. But such decision is very narrowminded without realising DSLR sales will not keep going like that and business will be eaten away by bridge cameras such as 4/3, Sony NEX alike. Nikon did realise the need to start a new system to fill the gap. But they only look at themselves. To me, this could well be a typical marketing disaster for a aging camera company.
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Miwok
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Re: Epic Win or Epic Fail - J1/V1

desmo101 wrote:

also stop comparing this system with nex. Nex has no lenses available and quite frankly besides the announced zeiss, they all suck. I would never invest in a system where there is no glass... and most pro's would agree with me. Nikon has an interesting roadmap for this system and right away I can tell you it looks better than sony's.

I'm tired of reading BS
Sony Nex will have at the end of this year 7 lenses
3 zooms (18/55, 18/200, 55/210)
4 primes (16, 30 macro, 50 f1.7 AND 24 Zeiss (With AF ;))

Next year will see a zoom UGA, zoom G and (maybe) a prime @ 85mm

With the in-camera lenses correction on 5n and 7, kit lenses are getting way better.

Take a look on the review of the NEX7 (Pocket Battleship!!) on luminous-landscape.

Good luck to the J1/V1!
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sandy b
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Re: Epic Win or Epic Fail - J1/V1

Show the tests about inferior IQ.

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Miwok
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Re: Epic Win or Epic Fail - J1/V1

sandy b wrote:

Show the tests about inferior IQ.

Who need a test? Just look at the size of the different sensors.

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sandy b
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Re: Epic Win or Epic Fail - J1/V1
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psandham
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WIN!

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Matthias Hutter Regular Member • Posts: 260
Fail...

2.7 Crop + Slow lenses

Fail for me.

ulfie Veteran Member • Posts: 3,299
Re: Fail...

Hmm... Nikon 1 dimensions: 4.4 x 2.4 x 1.2 in. Olympus EPM-1: 4.3 x 2.5 x 1.3. The Nikon will retail for more US dollars yet pack a smaller sensor in basically the same sized body. Unless Nikon's new sensor is dynamite, it's a no-brainer for me--get the Oly.

ntsan Contributing Member • Posts: 906
Re: Epic Win or Epic Fail - J1/V1

Unless Nikon can price this to $500 like E-PM1 or less I don't think mass market is willing to pay that much money for slightly better quality and bulkier camera than their current compact (for $650 a NEX 5N is much better, for $900 a NEX 5N+ EVF is much better still)

If it can do AF Tracking better than their competitor then it will have it niche

But serious, with 1" sensor I am you can do much better than this! (NEX is even smaller)

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kongqueror Regular Member • Posts: 213
Re: Epic Win or Epic Fail - J1/V1

I forgot to put my statement about "inferior IQ" in context - however if you have been taking photos for a long time now, you should know what I am talking about. In bright daylight conditions such as outdoors, any p&s will do great. But I am talking about situations where lighting is not ideal - indoors or dimly lit environments for example. I can't even say "'well, use the flash then" since the Nikon 1's don't have built-in flash (oops - forgot that the J1 has flash but no EVF). No need to test to know the following: due to sensor size, under less-than-ideal lighting situations,the Nikon 1 will be inferior to any of the u4/3, NEX, and NX mirrorless cams. It's Physics 101!

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Michael Barker Senior Member • Posts: 1,966
Re: Epic Win or Epic Fail - J1/V1

GH2 resolution VF, Phase Detect AF, small lenses ===> Epic Win.

Caveats: It's an incomplete lens system, and depth of field is, for better or worse, at the large end of the spectrum ... so, not for everyone.

Still ... what other camera that size has 10 fps AF tracking ?

And those lens prices are not bad.

LiquidSilver Forum Member • Posts: 93
It's easy to win if you don't consider the competitors at all.

On paper, the XZ-1 should have a better image quality than the 1s with the standard zoom. And Nikon is not the only one that makes mirrorless...

Mebyon K
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Re: Epic Win or Epic Fail - J1/V1

The new system isn't, and doesn't have to be, an 'epic' anything. It is a new system, which has been introduced with a basic system of lenses which will cover most general uses for the time being, until the already shown more specialist lenses follow. Also it looks as if it has been carefully positioned between the P&S and DX sensor mirrorless cameras in a way which may appeal to both sides, either moving up or down, and therefore could be attractive to a range of photographers.

Comments have been made about the fact that it is heavier than some of its possible rivals, this probably indicates high build quality and high quality glass in the lenses, it is a fact that high quality glass is dense and therefore heavy.

It appears to me that most of those who have made adverse comments are making them in relation to a camera, or camera system, which they already own or aspire to own. This is very often to justify to themselves their choice or the money they have spent on the camera, it certainly cannot be as a result of handling of the camera or a thorough comparison test of it against its rivals, since it is not yet generally available and therefore the comments they make are of little or no practical value.

Finally a number of critical comments are being made concerning the quoted price, which is compared to the 'street' price of similar cameras. Generally the 'street' price settles at about 75 to 80% of the list price within six months, an example being the 24-120 f4 zoom which was introduced at £1,050 and has now settled at about the £850 mark. This would indicate that by February/March next year the 'street' price will be around £650 to £700 for a V1 kit.

Before anyone starts jumping up and down screaming Fanboy, yes I own a Nikon D700 and a few AF-S and Ais lenses, that is because when I moved to digital after using a Canon Eos 3 for a number of years I found that the handling of the 20D did not suit me at all and the D200 just felt right. It is also very unlikely that I will buy one of the new cameras as the type doesn't appeal, this post is merely an attempt to introduce a bit of thought into the current debate.
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TimK5 Senior Member • Posts: 1,065
Epic Fail

As expected (looking at the ISO shot at 400 and 800 at the nikon imaging site) the ISO perfomance is pathetic. Epic Fail!

And how did they came up with the idea of eliminating the BIF in the V1? So, they designed a small system and make me carry around additional hardware? Epic Fail!

And why the hell do those cams need two different batteries? Epic Fail!

Elgsdyr Senior Member • Posts: 1,203
Re: Epic Win or Epic Fail - J1/V1

desmo101 wrote:

2) you can by a 1 body and use your F lenses !!! sure it's a not a big sensor, but what about that 70-200 becoming a 189 - 540 !!!!! add a 2x III and... you do the math.

This 10MP sensor would be 73MP scaled up to full-frame. The F-lenses you put on it would have to have amazing center resolution to keep up with that kind of density.

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