FZ150 samples gallery!

Started Aug 26, 2011 | Discussions
Midwest Forum Pro • Posts: 17,871
Re: Dear Mr Britton,

LTZ470 wrote:

John if you used the GH2 and the 14-140 for one month, you would throw rocks at the FZ50...you'll catch twice as many photos at superb IQ...

I don't know that I'd throw rocks at the best-handling bridge camera ever made, but I know that there is no going back for me from even an entry Canon dslr to the FZ50. HOWEVER for those who want a bridge camera, I think they could be served better with a larger sensor than current models along with limiting the zoom to something reasonable like the FZ50's 12x. Outrageous zoom numbers, like pixel-overstuffed small sensors, look better on a display camera's tag then the pictures which result.

I wonder how many people spent $350 or $400 or more for a super X bridge camera to take pictures of their kids playing football or soccer and were massively disappointed with the grainy, blurred results...

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Midwest Forum Pro • Posts: 17,871
Re: Dear Mr Britton,

tatslau wrote:

John Miles wrote:

It is absolutely essential that somehow some feedback gets back to Panasonic's design department, because so help me they are just not listeneing to a word of this forum.

They did! I while ago in a wishful thinking thread I suggested the name FZ150 to represent the adding up of the strengths of both the FZ50 and the FZ100. And WHOLA they did listen!

Well the FZ150 IS an improvement over the FZ100, it seems, but one the FZ50's biggest strengths - internally-zooming lens with brilliant manual focus and zoom controls - will never return. Most bridge camera users are stuck forever with those lousy little toggle thingies which make manual focus and zoom slow, imprecise, frustrating, and a battery drain.
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Midwest Forum Pro • Posts: 17,871
Re: Dear Mr Britton,

dgcohen61430 wrote:

Perhaps you would also like a truck with sports car performance and Prius economy. Large sensors make for larger cameras. You can get everything you want but not in one camera although as time goes on we do see better attempts. The FZ150 looks to be a very good compromise and will keep a lot of people happy, but professionals and specialist photographers will still need to look for designs more dedicated to their special needs.

All true, but Panny could make progress a lot faster and break some fresh ground if they would settle for less outrageous zoom lengths. If a larger sensor fits into the LX5 it ought to fit into something physically bigger, I'd think.

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GeraldW Veteran Member • Posts: 8,161
Re: New Noise Reduction Processing

It seems to work! I downloaded and printed the DPR sample shot with the baseballs and glove which was shot at ISO 1600. I added a little sharpening in post processing - about the equivalent of +1 of in-camera sharpening - and the 8" x 10" print is remarkably good. The dark areas are jet black and free of noise and fine details come through very well. (See my earlier post on these prints) If you saw the print and didn't know the ISO setting, you'd swear it was at a low ISO like 100 or 200, it's that good.

Print some yourself and see.
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Dirty Harry44 Regular Member • Posts: 191
Re: Dear Mr Britton,

Midwest wrote:

dgcohen61430 wrote:

Perhaps you would also like a truck with sports car performance and Prius economy. Large sensors make for larger cameras. You can get everything you want but not in one camera although as time goes on we do see better attempts. The FZ150 looks to be a very good compromise and will keep a lot of people happy, but professionals and specialist photographers will still need to look for designs more dedicated to their special needs.

All true, but Panny could make progress a lot faster and break some fresh ground if they would settle for less outrageous zoom lengths. If a larger sensor fits into the LX5 it ought to fit into something physically bigger, I'd think.

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600mm is far from "outrageous", in fact it just starts getting good at that point.

GeraldW Veteran Member • Posts: 8,161
Re: Dear Mr Britton,

Instead or ranting, why don't you download a few of the samples from the DPR gallery and print them?

Try the one of the baseballs and glove. It was shot at ISO 1600 and with just a little bit of PP sharpening (about equivalent to +1 of in camera sharpening) it prints wonderfully well at 8" x 10".

The quality the FZ150 achieves on this dimly lighted and difficult subject is truely amazing. I really think you should hold your opinions until you have tried this. Until you do, you're talking about what you believe, rather than what you know. The noise in this shot is handled at least as well as my S90 or G12 can do with their "superior" larger sensors and far, far better than my FZ28 can do at that ISO.
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LTZ470 Forum Pro • Posts: 11,926
Re: Dear Mr Britton,

The only Superzoom that will be able to catch these are the ones that have 3.7 fps and get keeper after keeper...not just one in 20...the GH2 is a fast and furious cam with great UI...

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Re: Dear Mr Britton,

LTZ470,

beautiful and punchy photographies. Wow!

ANAYV Forum Pro • Posts: 14,965
Re: GH2

Nice, LT !

I second the GH2 , as an upgrade to such a camera as the Classic FZ50.
I had one briefly, and the grip was too large, for my small hands.

The GH2 with 45 to 200mm , fits much better in my hands, and the high ISO settings ave very usable......couldn't say that for my FZ50.
Locked on iso 100.
iso 800 has more detail on the GH2, than the FZ50 did, at iso100 !!

Of course, the GH2 isn't a good value, as it's much much more $$$.

but , you do get:
5fps (4.5fps shooting RAW).
Better Dynamic Range
Usable high ISO settings
Better, larger, wider viewing angle, higher resolution LCD
Far surperior EVF
Way faster AF
More custom settings , on the mode dial
Superior video (for those who use it).,
Three programmable function buttons

the list goes on.

but it would be nice to see a comeback of the FZ30/50

ANAYV

BigBarney Senior Member • Posts: 2,722
Build a better mousetrap...

John Miles wrote:

It is absolutely essential that somehow some feedback gets back to Panasonic's design department, because so help me they are just not listeneing to a word of this forum.

It is established beyond reasonable doubt that if you want a decent small sensor camera, that a 1/1.8" or so sensor is the smallest you can go. Now whilst Panasonic seem able to comprehend this in respect of the LX range, they seem to persist with this ongoing nonsense with the FZ range. Yes they are valuable and capable cameras as good as any others out there. But to consider the FZ150 as an enthusiast superzoom is just a farce. If the LX5 had the FZ150 sensor in it no-one would touch the camera with a twelve foot barge pole.

In the FZ50 a small sensor manual lens superzoom provides rapid placement of shots developing a default wide depth of field over a huge zoom range. In one stroke a camera is born that captures more of a scene at greater speed than any other camera, no matter what the budget. It is a valuable niche product that would benefit from a genuine enthusiast level upgrade.

Is there any way you can get word back to Panasonic? Just imagine the FZ150 sitting next to an FZ50 with the sensor and processing of the LX5. In a heartbeat the FZ150 is but a toy bristling with too many gimmicks.

When is the sub 4/3" sensor going to get the respect it deserves? The short GF and LX live together, so why not the long GH and a 1/1.8" manual lensed FZ?

It is absolutely infuriating to be subject to Panasonics continuous make do sub 4/3" design policy, especially whilst at the same time it is still the best available.

Manual lens handling speed + huge default DOF + huge zoom range + sub 1 second half shutter press from sleep mode + hot shoe === never miss a shot; get everyone in focus; all day and all night.

... and the world will beat a pathway to your door. The only problem with this much misquoted version of what Emerson actually wrote is that it is not true.

I have never taken photographs with an FZ50 but I have seen many posted here and elsewhere by both you and others. There is little doubt that it is a very capable imaging device in the right hands.

I suspect that the reason Panasonic have not followed your advice on the development of a successor to the FZ50 is that they got their fingers burned (profitwise) on that camera. It may have been an excellent mousetrap but possibly too few people voted for it with their wallets, if I may mix my metaphors.

Now, like it or not, corporations like Panasonic are in business to make a profit. It would be lunacy for them to develop a successor for the FZ50 if only a few people will buy it.

I have never worked in the photography business, but I have had managerial responsibility for new product development in a specialist area of the pharmaceutical industry. In that industry it is essential to demonstrate that there is an unfulfilled clinical need before the first penny is spent in research and development. I suspect that things are not that much different at Panasonic, where their engineers and business development managers are almost certainly aware that they have the capability of developing and commercialising the type of camera you want, but remain sceptical that there will be any profit in it for them.

By contrast the current line of LX, TZ and micro four thirds cameras are demonstrating good sales and profit margins in all likelihood.

No matter how much fan mail there is for the FZ50 in this and other forums, if Panasonic never made any money on it, they are unlikely to repeat that experience with a newer model.

trekkeruss Veteran Member • Posts: 3,899
Re: Dear Mr Britton,

The FZ50 entered the market at $650. If a new FZ60 was produced with an 1/1.7" sensor and a 28-336mm f/2.0-4.0 (or whatever wider aperture) lens with manual zoom and focus, it would be bigger, heavier, and likely even more expensive than the original.

Trevor Carpenter
Trevor Carpenter Forum Pro • Posts: 14,861
Re: Dear Mr Britton,

LTZ470 wrote:

John if you used the GH2 and the 14-140 for one month, you would throw rocks at the FZ50...you'll catch twice as many photos at superb IQ...

Most of us hate to change when we get so accustom to a particular item, but sometimes it proves worth it a little while after we move forward...I know I am that way...

I am not convinced by this argument. I can’t speak for the GH2 but it’s over two years since my first FZ50 was replaced by an Oly E520 to be followed by an Oly E620. I love my Olys but I find them as equally frustrating as my FZ50 and looking back over my FZ50 three years I still see some of the best pictures I have taken were with my FZ50 and would have been hard to improve upon with the Olys.

To me the downside of the FZ50 (and where the Olys score) was the FZ50’s NR which could have a significant impact on cropping ability, and the noise itself. I still get noise with the Olys but it is undoubtedly easier to deal with. Most pictures that I took with my FZ50 would looks as good printed IMO as a DSLR print. Pixel peeping on a screen you could probably find the small improvement but.....

I still miss many aspects of the FZ50 and while I know that it needs great light to be at its best there aren’t many cameras that doesn’t apply to.

Where I believe Panny and all the other manufacturers have gone wrong is in not identifying a need for a superzoom that concentrates on IQ rather than gadgetry and marketing talk. There is this constant misrepresentation that they couldn’t do that because superzooms are as much in cost as DSLRS, which of course is garbage. My simple set up of a camera and lenses that allow me to do what I could with the FZ50 cost a £1000 and if I want to go beyond that the next step is a £1000 for a single lens. Compare that with what I could achieve with my FZ50 which cost £300.

So instead of increasing zoom, mps or introducing 3d modes and selling me intelligent resolution technology why not try to sell a camera that is the best superzoom because it takes the best pictures. If it costs a bit more so what, it is still much less, whatever anybody says, than a DSLR that can match it’s abilities.

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John Miles Veteran Member • Posts: 6,917
Re: Build a better mousetrap...

I totally agree. But what get's me is that, as a result, the FZ50 can perform in a way no other camera can. This never to be repeated ability is actually very useful indead, such that I am unable to trial potential replacement cameras with any degree of success sufficient for me to part with cash.
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The FZ50: DSLR handling of a bright Leica 35-420mm lens that's this good: http://www.flickr.com/groups/panasonicfz50/pool/ (slideshow always good). And now add the LX2: http://www.flickr.com/groups/lx2/pool/
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Re: Dear Mr Britton,

And I don't have to crop either. I rarely see any noise in the images, and often set normal rather than fine compression because the image quality can afford it:

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/3862228415/albums/prom-2011

To wish for every pixel in a photograph to be in sharp focus goes against the wish of most photographers which is to be able to blur a background. It is even called 'Pro' mode on Fuj cameras. When, in actual fact, someone like myself desires the reverse state, cameras that are otherwise criticised for their image quality are the ones I prefer. But, and this is a big but, the cameras acceptable to me for such improved DOF have the smallest of sensors and the overall image quality tails off. So nearly but not quite.

No-one would think me unreasonable for wanting a superzoom with image quality of an LX5, but ask for a replacement for the FZ50, which actually is such a camera, and I'm suddenly barking up the wrong tree.
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Re: Dear Mr Britton,

"My simple set up of a camera and lenses that allow me to do what I could with the FZ50 cost a £1000 and if I want to go beyond that the next step is a £1000 for a single lens. Compare that with what I could achieve with my FZ50 which cost £300"

You answered it Trevor,Panasonic would rather make you spend £2000 than measly £300,and profit more.

Gajanan

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Re: Dear Mr Britton,

joyclick wrote:

"My simple set up of a camera and lenses that allow me to do what I could with the FZ50 cost a £1000 and if I want to go beyond that the next step is a £1000 for a single lens. Compare that with what I could achieve with my FZ50 which cost £300"

You answered it Trevor,Panasonic would rather make you spend £2000 than measly £300,and profit more.

Gajanan

...but like most people I don't have a never ending pot of money and I and my family have priorities on how we spend what we do have. So from a manufacturers point of view £300 (or double that is not unreasonable) is a bird in the hand while £2000 is the bird in the bush that the manufacturers are unlikely ever to capture.

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Re: For Mr Britton's benefit only

The Human eye sees as the FZ50 captures. The Nikon can't even get the colour right and the bokeh prevents DOF under program mode for work at speed. I'd have to use AP mode and adjust continuously; costing time.

The chromatic aberration on the Nikon sample is unusual because the Expeed IC will perform aberration reduction if (and only if) you're shooting in JPEG. What lens was the shot taken with?

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Re: For Mr Britton's benefit only

Tamron 18-270 to make it like an FZ50 in zoom range. But clearly the sensor's far too large already.

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Re: Dear Mr Britton,

Trevor Carpenter wrote:

LTZ470 wrote:

John if you used the GH2 and the 14-140 for one month, you would throw rocks at the FZ50...you'll catch twice as many photos at superb IQ...

Most of us hate to change when we get so accustom to a particular item, but sometimes it proves worth it a little while after we move forward...I know I am that way...

I am not convinced by this argument. I can’t speak for the GH2 but it’s over two years since my first FZ50 was replaced by an Oly E520 to be followed by an Oly E620. I love my Olys but I find them as equally frustrating as my FZ50 and looking back over my FZ50 three years I still see some of the best pictures I have taken were with my FZ50 and would have been hard to improve upon with the Olys.

To me the downside of the FZ50 (and where the Olys score) was the FZ50’s NR which could have a significant impact on cropping ability, and the noise itself. I still get noise with the Olys but it is undoubtedly easier to deal with. Most pictures that I took with my FZ50 would looks as good printed IMO as a DSLR print. Pixel peeping on a screen you could probably find the small improvement but.....

I still miss many aspects of the FZ50 and while I know that it needs great light to be at its best there aren’t many cameras that doesn’t apply to.

Where I believe Panny and all the other manufacturers have gone wrong is in not identifying a need for a superzoom that concentrates on IQ rather than gadgetry and marketing talk. There is this constant misrepresentation that they couldn’t do that because superzooms are as much in cost as DSLRS, which of course is garbage. My simple set up of a camera and lenses that allow me to do what I could with the FZ50 cost a £1000 and if I want to go beyond that the next step is a £1000 for a single lens. Compare that with what I could achieve with my FZ50 which cost £300.

So instead of increasing zoom, mps or introducing 3d modes and selling me intelligent resolution technology why not try to sell a camera that is the best superzoom because it takes the best pictures. If it costs a bit more so what, it is still much less, whatever anybody says, than a DSLR that can match it’s abilities.

Trying to give John an alternative instead of convince him...if you give him the EP3 or G3 or GH2 and stick the 25mm 1.4 on any of them and send him off you'll not see him for days....;)...

True much depends on what you shoot and how you shoot...but after shooting with GH2 and G3 and EP3 now with FAST AF the FZ50 gest left behind due to being to slow for moving subjects and shot to shot...

But the quality of the GH2 shots are as good as anything that i require...

With ALL the excellent selections out there there has to be a setup for everyone surely...

I kept the E620 and 70-300 for two days and returned it and kept shooting my FZ40 and FZ100...so it wasn't my cup of tea...but the new FAST AF cameras and 25mm 1.4 lens is astounding to my old eye Trev...

The UI on the GH2 is unbeatable...I have never even shot a video with it or any 3D photos so that doesn't even come into play for me...the EP3 is astounding as well as the G3...ALL great IQ and fast AF and fast FPS...

FZ50 is never going to give you this: EP3 & 25mm 1.4 Panny Lens

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