Another D300 vs D7000 post !

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caspianm Senior Member • Posts: 2,471
Re: Another D300 vs D7000 post !

olyflyer wrote:

caspianm wrote:

7k offers about one stop better shadow detail if you take photo's with that kind of EV (low light) and one stop better iso above 1600.

Where did you get those figures from?

I have them both and expeimented a bit. That is my own observations.
I use my D200&D300 mainly and wife/daughter use the D7000.

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agc1976 Senior Member • Posts: 1,713
Re: Another D300 vs D7000 post !

caspianm wrote:

For most everyday pictures the difference is none or better with D300's.

In which way do you get better pictures with the D300s? I've tried them both but image quality wise I cannot find a situation where the D300s would give better IQ except perhaps more in focus images due to the superior AF system, a better timed shot due to the higher fps or better HDR because of the superior bracketing of the D300s.

ScottRH
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Re: Another D300 vs D7000 post !

If you are going to use it in the sand, rain, and dust the 7K is not the choice.

caspianm Senior Member • Posts: 2,471
Re: Another D300 vs D7000 post !

agc1976 wrote:

caspianm wrote:

For most everyday pictures the difference is none or better with D300's.

In which way do you get better pictures with the D300s? I've tried them both but image quality wise I cannot find a situation where the D300s would give better IQ except perhaps more in focus images due to the superior AF system, a better timed shot due to the higher fps or better HDR because of the superior bracketing of the D300s.

I agree with your assesment. Skin color of my d300/d200 seems more to my liking as well.

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Dave Courtenay Contributing Member • Posts: 732
Re: Another D300 vs D7000 post !

ScottRH wrote:

If you are going to use it in the sand, rain, and dust the 7K is not the choice.

I have shot my D7000 in temperatures down near -20, Its been in rain,sleet and heavy snow without a blip, I have also shot it on the beach so you are talking rubbish
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caspianm Senior Member • Posts: 2,471
Re: Another D300 vs D7000 post !

Dave Courtenay wrote:

ScottRH wrote:

If you are going to use it in the sand, rain, and dust the 7K is not the choice.

I have shot my D7000 in temperatures down near -20, Its been in rain,sleet and heavy snow without a blip, I have also shot it on the beach so you are talking rubbish
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Lets not deny the fact that D300 is built better for adverse conditions hence better suited for that kind of assignments. That is what he says.

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n057 Veteran Member • Posts: 7,821
Re: Another D300 vs D7000 post !

Dave Courtenay wrote:

I have shot my D7000 in temperatures down near -20, Its been in rain,sleet and heavy snow without a blip, I have also shot it on the beach so you are talking rubbish

Interesting, since the stated operating range is 0°-40°C (32°-104°F). Same range as for all Nikon DSLRs. However, I would be cautious: not sure the effect of leaving the D7000 on a tripod for hours at -20°, be it Farenheit or Celcius

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agc1976 Senior Member • Posts: 1,713
Re: Another D300 vs D7000 post !

Dave:

What made you move from Canon to Nikon (read your bio)? Also, do you consider the D7000 so good that you won't be looking to upgrade to the D400 once it comes out?

Dave Courtenay Contributing Member • Posts: 732
Re: Another D300 vs D7000 post !

I changed to Nikon after fighting with Canon for 18 months trying to get the 1D mk3 sorted, They were just arrogant and bull headed about it until i proved to them that it was a pile of crap, I said that if they could not fix the problem i would go to Nikon-They simply said enjoy your Nikon and that was that

I used the D7000 in Japan along with my D3s just before the tsunami, The sea was frozen so solid that even the ice breaker i was on could not leave the harbour, It was around -18 and with heavy sleet, Everything was soaking yet the D7000 and D3s worked perfectly, A lot of people here read alot of crap comments without any experience themselves and soon 1 persons comments become 100 peoples and then its gospel, The D300 was a really great camera and i loved it, The D7000 is a great camera and to me i want the very best IQ and the D7000 blows the D300 away, I never shot the D300 over ISO 400 as grain become evident-i supply agencies so NR is not possible, I shoot the D7000 at ISO 800 and that makes a big difference to me-of course i can use the D3s but the cropped sensor is very useful for a nature photographer, Will i get a D400 and chop in the D7000-hell yea-The D7000 is better than the D300 for me but i like the full size body and controls, I didnt say that the D7000 is perfect just better than the D300 for me

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HSway Veteran Member • Posts: 3,168
Honestly

-you cant jump at first next sensor erratically. Never mind your heart beat going up when seeing its advantages. You wait till your camera system (body) is updated. Unless reconsidering it from that base. You can of course also get the cam of a lower line losing some small money at worse temporarily (might even keep it after your camera upgrade – backup, lightweight alternative) but the point is clear.
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agc1976 Senior Member • Posts: 1,713
Re: Another D300 vs D7000 post !

Thanks Dave!

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Re: Another D300 vs D7000 post !

All I miss from my previous D300 are the size and ergonomics. My D7000 has brought a new level of confidence just by letting it float on Auto-ISO to get higher shutter speed for action, while the max ISO that I could tolerate with the D300 was 800 and 1000 if I really really had to. Imho, the D7000 is more of a camera for the price than what I paid in the past for D300.

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JasonED Contributing Member • Posts: 946
Re: str8pipe: Do you have a D300 example?

Hi Str8pipe.

Do you have an example of the unacceptable noise levels you have found on the D300? I have a D300 and have been considering a D7000 - would be useful to see what your noise threshold is as it seems everyone is different.

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rpps Senior Member • Posts: 1,921
Re: str8pipe: Do you have a D300 example?

I can't understand all the hype about better noise levels at higher ISO's with the D7000, gee do you need a camera too be able to take photos in complete darkness, if it's that dark put a flash on.

I took a few photos last night it was very dark the cars had their headlight on and at 1600 ISO I thought the photos from my D300s very acceptable, looked much lighter in the photos than what my eyes could see.

On the second photo I used a bit of Topaz Denoise, excuse the camera shake as I was shooting out of the car .

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jfk Veteran Member • Posts: 3,048
Re: str8pipe: Do you have a D300 example?

Although the D300 is better in build and speed, the D7k is much better with noise, and not just high iso. While shooting the same scene in daylight out my back door, at base iso with the D300 I would get noise in some of the shadow areas. Shooting same scene at base iso with D7k the shadow areas were essentially noise free.
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rpps Senior Member • Posts: 1,921
Re: str8pipe: Do you have a D300 example?

Yeah your probably right but are you looking at the photos on a 23" Monitor I wonder what the difference would be if printing the photo.

I had a d90 and got the bug to upgrade so I got a D7000 I was very disappointed in the quality of my photos, lots of them were very soft and slightly blurry looking and it wasn't user error.

I don't know whether it was a back focus issue with my 16-85mm lens or if it was due to shutter or VR Blur ( I have read here).

As soon as I got my D300s once again my photos were nice and sharp and focused just like the D90 before.

So if I do get a bit more noise in my shots I don't care as I can use plenty of software to reduce that but no way could I live with a camera that produced soft focused blurry photos.
I must have been one of the unlucky ones that got a faulty D7000

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Your Lenses are for D7000

gwenhael appere wrote:

Hi guys,

Standard dilemna...i've got a D300s, that i'm using with 16-85VR, Sigma 10-20 and 50-500 OS. I like shooting landscapes, night/low ISO shots, as well as birding.

Your lenses will perform much better with D7000, a better sensor. The 50-500 is not a fast lens either.

The D300s will show better when used as a sport camera with fast lens such as 70-200mm. The AF system can not be matched by D7000.

But the differences are trivial,
except for the AF system that D300s is of professional class.

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Re: Another D300 vs D7000 post !

No contest. ISO 100 is a thing of beauty.

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Bob Moulton Regular Member • Posts: 132
Re: Another D300 vs D7000 post !

I faced this problem after the D7000 became available, though I had a D300, not a D300s. I bought the D7000. I find that its image quality better, and the Live View is quite nice, though I would like to be able to activate “info” while in Live View.

My sole problem is the bracketing. I am accustomed to the 5-7 stop range on the D300 and fined the 2 stop range a problem.

I use the camera like a view camera; 60-70% of my images are made on tripod, with careful reviewing on monitor or laptop. Handheld the smaller camera is easier to hold and use when shooting action, sports, animals, people, portraits, etc And as an extra bonus it fits on my Gigapan..
The D300? It is my backup, in case with battery out waiting for use.
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olyflyer
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Re: str8pipe: Do you have a D300 example?

rpps wrote:

I can't understand all the hype about better noise levels at higher ISO's with the D7000, gee do you need a camera too be able to take photos in complete darkness, if it's that dark put a flash on.

Well, life is not that simple for everyone in every situation. Besides, a flash has just a short range; even my SB-900 is limited. Another disadvantage of your "solution" is that a flash will always give uneven light, as opposed to natural light, which is if not shaded or blocked is nice and even. Flash is just a spot light, is many times very useful and necessary indoors but has limited use outdoors. You should not confuse flash and high ISO, the one does not exclude the need of the other.

I took a few photos last night it was very dark the cars had their headlight on and at 1600 ISO I thought the photos from my D300s very acceptable, looked much lighter in the photos than what my eyes could see.

That is not really taken in dark... in the shade yes, but definitely not in the dark.

On the second photo I used a bit of Topaz Denoise, excuse the camera shake as I was shooting out of the car .

What is the difference between the first and the second? A slightly less noise in the second but the first has more detail.

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