Prices...What The...???

Started Apr 14, 2011 | Discussions
FredB Contributing Member • Posts: 828
Re: Prices...What The...???

Just a FYI there are other stores than amazon. Most of the other dealers are still asking 2400 or even 2100 for the lens
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xtm Senior Member • Posts: 1,123
Re: Prices...What The...???

JC1306 wrote:

Good, fast, cheap - pick any two. That's the way it has been for the last 2000 years, give or take a century.

Nikon 50 1.8D.... good, fast, cheap

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moimoi
OP moimoi Veteran Member • Posts: 4,041
Re: Look more closely at Amazon

Indeed, you are right...though unreasonably price.

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OP moimoi Veteran Member • Posts: 4,041
I meant "unreasonably priced"

moimoi wrote:

Indeed, you are right...though unreasonably price.

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MichaelK81 Regular Member • Posts: 203
Ritz has the 70-200 VR II for $2399
Fostereast Contributing Member • Posts: 974
Opinions...

I've noticed in your continued responses to this post that you started, that you seem to mostly want to keep reiterating your own opinion.

It is what it is; buy a lens today or wait for Nikon to get the production lines, power grids, suppliers and transportation humming together again, your choice.

Lihkin
Lihkin Senior Member • Posts: 2,467
I think it is 'need' vs. 'want'...

FredB wrote:

I find it funny that people expect us to just sit back and suck it up and pay the 3K, but let the gas prices rise 10cents and their in the streets.
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We need the gas but want nice glass. Also, we don't have choices as far as gas is concerned- you either pay the price or don't get it. With lenses, you have cheaper brand as well as 3rd party alternatives.

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Jerry 39
Jerry 39 Contributing Member • Posts: 767
Just my 2 cents worth

Why does everyone want pro glass even if they aren't a pro. I don't always use pro glass but I've sold many photos in the past 60 years. Most people who want pro glass are amateurs or advanced amateurs who probably never make a photo over 8x10. Hardly a noticeable difference at that size. Again, not disrespecting anyone just my two cents worth.

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moimoi
OP moimoi Veteran Member • Posts: 4,041
Re: I think it is 'need' vs. 'want'...

It must be a cultural thing. Choices are more than twofold in fact. There are generally other alternatives than driving you own car you know.

Ask the Dutch (but not only), they understood it pretty clearly even when the weather is crap, and that does not require any gas, but only two wheels, and a human being.

nikonboi wrote:

FredB wrote:

I find it funny that people expect us to just sit back and suck it up and pay the 3K, but let the gas prices rise 10cents and their in the streets.
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We need the gas but want nice glass. Also, we don't have choices as far as gas is concerned- you either pay the price or don't get it. With lenses, you have cheaper brand as well as 3rd party alternatives.

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Re: Just my 2 cents worth

Because regardless shooters are pro or not, they are both able to produce crappy and magnificent pictures. Professional does not mean necessarily quality. Same as amateur does not necessarily mean below high standard.

Jerry 39 wrote:

Why does everyone want pro glass even if they aren't a pro. I don't always use pro glass but I've sold many photos in the past 60 years. Most people who want pro glass are amateurs or advanced amateurs who probably never make a photo over 8x10. Hardly a noticeable difference at that size. Again, not disrespecting anyone just my two cents worth.

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Windancer
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Devil's Advocate

moimoi wrote:

Interesting! What if people are more and more reluctant to buy (or even stop buying) the units b/c their price was raised significantly.

It would be interesting but it would never happen. Some people (and I'm not saying it's wrong) will always pay the asking price because they need it for one reason or another.

I am just playing the devil's advocate here so please don't take offense to it, but with all due respect do you really think your not buying anything influences Nikon any? I rather doubt it.

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No offense taken. I think if it only concerns a few individuals not buying Nikon products, sure it won't affect them at all. On the other hand, if one large mass of people stops purchasing Nikon products, yes there will be some serious effects on Nikon. Of course such scenarios may appear unrealistic, but it happened before on different markets (housing markets for instance, for which price went down pretty badly).

To me it is all about an item really cost. When it becomes for some reasons more and more overpriced, at one point, there is a large discontinuity in the sales

Never say never...

Windancer wrote:

moimoi wrote:

Interesting! What if people are more and more reluctant to buy (or even stop buying) the units b/c their price was raised significantly.

It would be interesting but it would never happen. Some people (and I'm not saying it's wrong) will always pay the asking price because they need it for one reason or another.

I am just playing the devil's advocate here so please don't take offense to it, but with all due respect do you really think your not buying anything influences Nikon any? I rather doubt it.

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Digetydog
Digetydog Senior Member • Posts: 1,461
Re: Devil's Advocate

moimoi wrote:

No offense taken. I think if it only concerns a few individuals not buying Nikon products, sure it won't affect them at all. On the other hand, if one large mass of people stops purchasing Nikon products, yes there will be some serious effects on Nikon. Of course such scenarios may appear unrealistic, but it happened before on different markets (housing markets for instance, for which price went down pretty badly).

One thing to consider is the effect increased prices will have on supply. Let's say prices for Nikon products double b/c of the limited supply. EVERYONE in the supply chain from the parts mfgs to Nikon to the wholesalers to the retailers will have a strong incentive to increase supply. Profits. Once supply normalizes, prices will eventually return to normal.

A great example would be iPads. Every time they release a new one, the prices spike until there is adequate supply in the system to meet demand. The supply inevitably increases became demand fuels profits.

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nkarasev Senior Member • Posts: 1,499
Re: Devil's Advocate

moimoi wrote:

To me it is all about an item really cost. When it becomes for some reasons more and more overpriced, at one point, there is a large discontinuity in the sales

Never say never...

There is NEVER such thing as true cost of an item. You can get cheap 35mm and make a single shot with it and sell it for more than the lens is worth. Or you can buy 24-70 (70-200, 14-24 or whatever), make hundreds good shots with it but never sell a single one. What is the true price for a lens in this case? Just for your enjoyment? If so, then you are either OK with the current price or you are not.

To me a lens is worth any penny spent for it when you need it (enjoyment of for profit shot) because if you don't have the lens - you simply miss the opportunity. Of course, I wouldn't buy the 35mm for $1,000 just to have it when I need it, but we are talking about mostly 50% increase in price at times the lens is scarcely available due to hard times in Japan. This hardly justifies any complaint.

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bgD300 Veteran Member • Posts: 4,552
Re: Prices...What The...???

the other factor is business risk due to falling currency. Say you buy a $1000 wholesale lens, sell it for $1200, a 20% markup. 10% is inventory and selling cost leaving you $100 profit. You go to buy another for stock and find the wholesale price is now $1090. You've reduced your profit to 1% so, you know you better shoot a bit higher when you price that new one because the trend on price is upward.
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