Lighting macros

Started Jul 24, 2010 | Discussions
OP Duncan C Veteran Member • Posts: 7,671
Re: Which lens will it work with?

Holger Bargen wrote:

I received my diffusor, yesterday. I managed to get it on my Sigma 17-70 (the new HSM version). It has a diameter of 72. But I can imagine that this is the maximum diameter. A little bit mor may will destroy the diffusor if you try to put it on the lens.

By the way: I am very satisfied with the results. Nice soft light.

They are a great deal, given how cheap they are, don't you think? I much prefer the light from my $10 diffuser to that from my $400 ringlight.

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OP Duncan C Veteran Member • Posts: 7,671
Re: Which lens will it work with?

Holger Bargen wrote:

I received my diffusor, yesterday. I managed to get it on my Sigma 17-70 (the new HSM version). It has a diameter of 72. But I can imagine that this is the maximum diameter. A little bit mor may will destroy the diffusor if you try to put it on the lens.

By the way: I am very satisfied with the results. Nice soft light.

Holger,

Do you have any images to share with your new pop-up diffuser?

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OP Duncan C Veteran Member • Posts: 7,671
kitgard, can you post some samples?

kitgard,

The only macro I see in your first post is a collage of lots of tiny images that are too small. I can't get a feel for the lighting on any of them.

Can you post several samples taken with your macro rig?

Duncan
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Re: kitgard, can you post some samples?
kitgard Senior Member • Posts: 1,067
Re: kitgard, can you post some samples?

yes!! my colection of macros at pbase is in my asignature!

link ti my page: http://www.pbase.com/kitgard/d200_sigma105_28

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OP Duncan C Veteran Member • Posts: 7,671
Re: kitgard, can you post some samples?

kitgard,

Those are wonderful.

The lighting looks quite similar to the lighting from the pop-up diffuser I'm using. The highlights might be a little hotter, but only a little.

Duncan
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Snapshott Senior Member • Posts: 2,287
Re: Which lens will it work with?

Duncan C wrote:

clickclick wrote:

Duncan... Which lens will it work with?

I use mine with a Tamron 90 mm f/2.8 macro, but it should fit any lens with a moderate-sized barrel. The opening isn't big enough for the 77mm thread size on my 70-200 though.

It may just be variations in the size but how do you get it to stay on your Tamron 90mm f2.8? Mine just spins on the lens barrel because the opening it to big and it doesn't stretch enough to fit on the lens hood. I've also tried to get it to stay on the bayonet part of the lens but it's too thin and the slightest movement causes it to fall of. I guess I'll try gaffer tape next.

By the way it's a little tough but it does fit my Sigma 150mm f2.8.
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MBoatner Senior Member • Posts: 1,449
Re: Sigma 150-SU800 and two SB200 Flash

Have owned this setup for a long while now - starting to get the hang of it. Also will place the flash on stands, or on the ground. Sometimes the SB600 or SB800 will be used.

Recently trying to get in as close as possible.

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$ 0.01 will do just a piece of kitchenpaper...

only when it rains it works like sh!t.

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OP Duncan C Veteran Member • Posts: 7,671
Re: $ 0.01 will do just a piece of kitchenpaper...

$0.01 and a macro genius like you behind the lens...

Good to hear from you Mark. Masterful, as always.
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OP Duncan C Veteran Member • Posts: 7,671
Re: Which lens will it work with?

Snapshott wrote:

Duncan C wrote:

clickclick wrote:

Duncan... Which lens will it work with?

I use mine with a Tamron 90 mm f/2.8 macro, but it should fit any lens with a moderate-sized barrel. The opening isn't big enough for the 77mm thread size on my 70-200 though.

It may just be variations in the size but how do you get it to stay on your Tamron 90mm f2.8? Mine just spins on the lens barrel because the opening it to big and it doesn't stretch enough to fit on the lens hood. I've also tried to get it to stay on the bayonet part of the lens but it's too thin and the slightest movement causes it to fall of. I guess I'll try gaffer tape next.

By the way it's a little tough but it does fit my Sigma 150mm f2.8.
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Snapshott

Snapshott,

Sorry, I missed your question until now.

What I did was to hot glue a scrap of bicycle inner tube into the inside of the diffuser.

To attach it, I wrapped wax paper around my lens. I cut a scrap of inner tube to size and stretched it around the lens barrel, at the point where the lens hood attaches. I used a couple of patches of sticky velcro to attach the edges together. I then carefully put the diffuser on over the inner tube, and squirted small blobs of hot glue in the space between the diffuser and the inner tube at regular intervals.

If you can find a wide elastic band the right size it would probably work even better. I couldn't find one the right size, so I improvised.

Here's a picture of the finished result:

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General Toner Regular Member • Posts: 266
Re: Which lens will it work with?

For those not wanting ebay here's link to another site for cheaper.

http://www.dmkfoto.com/Diffuser_for_on_camera_flash_speedlight_p/5870.htm

EDIT: Nevermind, cheaper on ebay when add-on shipping.

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OP Duncan C Veteran Member • Posts: 7,671
Re: Which lens will it work with?

General Toner wrote:

For those not wanting ebay here's link to another site for cheaper.

http://www.dmkfoto.com/Diffuser_for_on_camera_flash_speedlight_p/5870.htm

EDIT: Nevermind, cheaper on ebay when add-on shipping.

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Still, it's good to have a link for those that don't like buying on eBay. Judging from the product photo, it looks like the same brand of diffuser.

Thanks for posting it, especially on such an old thread!

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calson Veteran Member • Posts: 9,262
Re: Lighting macros

You can get a more interesting and natural looking lighting of your subjects by having a flash to the side along with the ambient light as a bare minimum setup or even better is to use two strobes with one putting out half as much light as the primary or key light strobe.

Nikon's SU-800 with the small SB-200 speedlight is a good combo for small subjects where the flash is small enough to position it where it will provide the best lighting.

OP Duncan C Veteran Member • Posts: 7,671
Re: Lighting macros

calson wrote:

You can get a more interesting and natural looking lighting of your subjects by having a flash to the side along with the ambient light as a bare minimum setup or even better is to use two strobes with one putting out half as much light as the primary or key light strobe.

Nikon's SU-800 with the small SB-200 speedlight is a good combo for small subjects where the flash is small enough to position it where it will provide the best lighting.

I've done a great deal of experimenting with lots of different rigs, and the pop-up flash diffuser gives hands down the best, most natural looking light, and it's also the cheapest and simplest rig.

I have a Manfrotto twin macro bracket, and have used lots of different variations. They always create sharply defined highlights that don't look natural, and odd shadows.

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tbranscombe
tbranscombe Regular Member • Posts: 177
Re: Lighting macros

Duncan_C

I've read through this thread with great interest as I am just beginning to research some lighting options.  I too have the Manfrotto bracket, but dread the thought of wielding it in the field, especially handheld.  What I am wondering, though, is if you have tried rotating your diffuser 90 degrees (or so) and shooting light through it from a bracket-mounted speedlight.  It might require some bending of the diffuser frame, but seems possible (at least as a thought experiment).

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OP Duncan C Veteran Member • Posts: 7,671
Re: Lighting macros

tbranscombe wrote:

Duncan_C

I've read through this thread with great interest as I am just beginning to research some lighting options. I too have the Manfrotto bracket, but dread the thought of wielding it in the field, especially handheld. What I am wondering, though, is if you have tried rotating your diffuser 90 degrees (or so) and shooting light through it from a bracket-mounted speedlight. It might require some bending of the diffuser frame, but seems possible (at least as a thought experiment).

It should be possible to put a flash on a bracket and simply pivot the diffuser 90 degrees. Do you want to do this in order to shoot in portrait orientation?

As far as bending the diffuser frame, that would be really difficult. It's made of spring steel, and smiply pops back to it's original shape when you try to bend it. You'd probably have to take out the spring, heat it red-hot, bend it, then quench it in cool water in order to put a bend in it.

Chris2J
Chris2J Regular Member • Posts: 405
No flash

I may be off-track, but I prefer not to use flash for macros or close-ups, but rather cool white low energy lights (inside the house) or a reflector when outside.  I am considering getting an LED light which is low on battery requirements, for inside and outside - something like the Flashpoint 500 LED.

Comments?

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OP Duncan C Veteran Member • Posts: 7,671
Re: No flash

Chris2J wrote:

I may be off-track, but I prefer not to use flash for macros or close-ups, but rather cool white low energy lights (inside the house) or a reflector when outside. I am considering getting an LED light which is low on battery requirements, for inside and outside - something like the Flashpoint 500 LED.

Comments?

Everybody has their own priorities, and their own style.

I like to shoot bugs and flowers, out in the garden. For bugs, I'm shooting handheld. In order to maximize DOF, AND freeze motion and eliminate camera shake, I need small apertures and fast shutterspeeds. Those things, taken together, just about require flash. At f/22 and 1/250, even direct sunlight isn't enough.

I've struggled to get natural looking light with flash, and have found that the pop-up diffuser really gives me that.

For flowers and still life shots, I've set up a tripod and held a large popup diffuser in front of direct sunlight. That gives lovely, soft light, but it's much more work to set up, and all but impossible with live bugs. With bugs like bees, dragonflies and butterflies, it IS impossible. By the time I get my gear set up, those bugs would be in a different town.

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Bugs bug me too :-) ...nt
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