Phones to make system cameras obsolete???

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Phones to make system cameras obsolete???

http://www.reuters.com/article/idCNLDE63J15F20100420?rpc=44

According to Nokia: "Fast developing cameraphone technology will shortly make SLR system cameras and even professional cameras obsolete."

Do you think so!?

myzel Senior Member • Posts: 2,075
Re: Phones to make system cameras obsolete???

gail wrote:

Do you think so!?

No, but I think that the development of useful smart phones will make Nokia obsolete

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Smudger79 Contributing Member • Posts: 933
Re: Phones to make system cameras obsolete???

The advancement of the Compact didn't did it?

The lens quality may improve but the camera phone will still hold the same shortcomings such as shutter lag etc.

gail wrote:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idCNLDE63J15F20100420?rpc=44

According to Nokia: "Fast developing cameraphone technology will shortly make SLR system cameras and even professional cameras obsolete."

Do you think so!?

OP (unknown member) Forum Pro • Posts: 14,097
Re: Phones to make system cameras obsolete???

myzel wrote:

gail wrote:

Do you think so!?

No, but I think that the development of useful smart phones will make Nokia obsolete

I'm curious. Why do you say this? I think Nokia is a pretty innovative company.

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Smudger79 wrote:

The lens quality may improve but the camera phone will still hold the same shortcomings such as shutter lag etc.

I can't wait to see the cell phone equivalent of a 400mm f/2.8 lens.
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beshannon Veteran Member • Posts: 4,216
Re: Phones to make system cameras obsolete???

gail wrote:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idCNLDE63J15F20100420?rpc=44

According to Nokia: "Fast developing cameraphone technology will shortly make SLR system cameras and even professional cameras obsolete."

Do you think so!?

No.

Besides it would be easier to put a communications device into a high quality camera than to get high quality images from a phone.

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Smudger79 Contributing Member • Posts: 933
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Ha ha, definitely.

"Is that a super-zoom camera phone in your pocket, or are you just pleased to see me"

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It's a matter of perspective

gail wrote:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idCNLDE63J15F20100420?rpc=44

According to Nokia: "Fast developing cameraphone technology will shortly make SLR system cameras and even professional cameras obsolete."

Do you think so!?

In principle I don't agree with either the characterization of 'obsolete', nor with 'shortly', although I suppose it depends on what those words mean to Nokia.

I do think that there will be a market shift as phone cameras get better (or as compact cameras get phone capability). What is absolutely true is that the camera we tend to use is the camera we have on us, and for the vast majority of us who take snapshots that camera happens to be attached to our cell phone. If my iPhone came with a decent 6MP+ camera that had at least a measure of control (aperture, ISO, shutter speed) I'm guessing I wouldn't even consider purchasing a compact P&S like the S90 because I don't like carrying more devices on me that's absolutely necessary.

From the other perspective, I don't think I'd ever consider replacing my phone with a compact P&S that had phone capability. I can't see myself dialing my wife on a S90. I do think, however, that having a camera with the capability to connect to the internet to upload photos in real-time is something that would be welcomed, and I don't think it'll take too long for that to be a reality.

Will phone cameras make SLR system cameras and professional cameras obsolete? Pfft - whoever at Nokia said that is smoking something really, really good. That's about as absurd a statement as can be said. Simple physics prevent a cell phone camera to approach the IQ of a modern entry-level DSLR, much less a professional grade digital.

Rikke Rask Senior Member • Posts: 1,312
Re: Phones to make system cameras obsolete???

gail wrote:

I can't wait to see the cell phone equivalent of a 400mm f/2.8 lens.

Assuming a 1/2.5" sensor which means a crop factor 6, it would have to have a focal length of 67 mm.

To be fully equivalent, it would - unfortunately - need to be an f/0.47 lens.

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Never say never. Nanotec will develop tiny sensors and tiny zoom lenses that will equal current digicams. It may be 5 years before these devices are commonplace but high end cameraphones have improved tremendousey in just a few years. Current phones sport 5 mp and can produce good images, not for big blow-ups but good 4x6 prints.

These all-in-ones will never replace full featured pro cams but even top level gear is getting smaller and lighter. The camphone will certainly become the pros backup.

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Omega_Leader Regular Member • Posts: 475
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Unfortunately there is a limit to the number of photons that can be captured with a very small lens and a very small sensor in very low light.

Again physics rears is ugly head.

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Omega_Leader wrote:

Unfortunately there is a limit to the number of photons that can be captured with a very small lens and a very small sensor in very low light.

Again physics rears is ugly head.

That too is a matter of perspective. I rather like the way Physics looks...

What is more likely to happen is the "dumbing-down" of the customer, such that they can't tell the difference in the results of various cameras. If this happens, then Nokia was right...

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I, and am sure many others, have looked at the Cell-phone-cams as an abomination. My cell phone's photos are terrible. I recently recieved some pics from a relative which I downloaded and had a good look at. They were taken with a Nokia 5 mp cam-phone. They were suprisingly good.

It seems that these all-in-one devices will eventually overtake the p&s cams or the p&s cams will inherit the phone function. From there it will just work up the line. Just my take.

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photoSmart42 wrote:

If my iPhone came with a decent 6MP+ camera that had at least a measure of control (aperture, ISO, shutter speed) I'm guessing I wouldn't even consider purchasing a compact P&S

I can see it now. Everyone posing for that perfect shot, you've composed and are ready to press the shutter button....your cameraphone starts vibrating with an incoming call.

Or maybe your phone fails to vibrate because you have Image Stabilization turned on.

I jest, of course.

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He can keep dreaming!

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I don't know about making dslr's obsolete BUT[ b] they certainly are improving to the stage where they are approaching the quality I was getting out of my $1400 point and shoot camera from 8 years ago.

My pocket sized Panasonic TZ7/SZ3 with its 25mm-300mm lens with HD video would have been unbelievable 10 years ago, so who knows what will be possible with mobile phone cameras in 5 years....being it on I say, I love technology.
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Remember Chernobyl? I think the radiation got into the Finlander's cheese. They eat a lot of it.

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Can push aside P&S with some improvements

Well, it will not make the DSLR or hi-level P&S obsolete, but Nokia is on the right track to make good "P&S" quality cellphones. What they need is a real Photographer to show them how to improve their camera "operations." My Nokia N95-8G (5Mpix) has very poor "instant-ready" for photos ~ shutter lag is not bad; the glass protector of the lens causes lots of lens flare; no zoom; no real flash; but the rest of the features, e.g. manual adjustments, autofocus, macro, video, nice big LCD etc. are exemplary for the little WYATT "with you all the time". See examples, no PP except downsized/downgraded for internet.
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dona2 wrote:

It seems that these all-in-one devices will eventually overtake the p&s cams or the p&s cams will inherit the phone function. From there it will just work up the line. Just my take.

Well, it requires some way to cram a zoom on the cell phone without making it too thick and heavy for cell phone use. Currently no production level lens technology allows that, so it will still take several years before cell phone cameras will be able to supplant even cheap small sensor compacts. Eventually it of course will happen, but camera phones can not replace superzoom cameras with any known lens technology, and due to physics, will not ever replace serious enthusiast or professional level interchangeable lens cameras. You can't negotiate with physics; the limits are hard in this case. Small sensor cameras, including cell phone cameras, will always have too much noise for low light situations, if you need to capture moving subjects.

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Charlie Self Veteran Member • Posts: 3,924
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relate22 wrote:

I don't know about making dslr's obsolete BUT[ b] they certainly are improving to the stage where they are approaching the quality I was getting out of my $1400 point and shoot camera from 8 years ago.

My pocket sized Panasonic TZ7/SZ3 with its 25mm-300mm lens with HD video would have been unbelievable 10 years ago, so who knows what will be possible with mobile phone cameras in 5 years....being it on I say, I love technology.
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Maybe then I'll find a need or desire for a cell phone. I doubt it, but stranger things have happened. In the meantime, this guy at Nokia was claiming DSLRs would be displaced, not P&S or bridge cameras, which is utter nonsense. I can just see it now, a 24MP phone camera with a 300mm, 400mm, a 24-135mm, and a 10-20mm lens, all included. Obsolete system cameras. Yeah. Bet on it. Or buy this bridge I have for sale.

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