Comparison of Olympus E-P1 and Sigma DP2

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Charles2
Charles2 Veteran Member • Posts: 6,866
Comparison of Olympus E-P1 and Sigma DP2

A few days ago I bought an Olympus E-P1 with 14-42mm knowing that soon the rumors of a new camera in the PEN line would be laid to rest by an announcement from Olympus. In fact, the official word came just over a day later.

The price was good, just under US$500 for body and kit 14-42mm lens from a previous owner who had put about 400 clicks on it in five months. Warranty still virgin. Not caring about in-body flash, I am happy with the choice.

To give you the perspective of this report, I have a Sigma DP2, and image quality is priority one. When there is enough light, the DP2 produces marvelous images.

Too many times on overcast winter days I fought to hold the DP2 steady at a sadly long shutter time. Or, on aperture mode, I pushed EV down for shorter shutter time, hoping to get something not too dark.

Hence the plunge for the E-P1. It has in-body stabilization unlike the Panasonic GF1. It is not so light hungry as the Sigma DP2.

Olympus stabilization is amazing to a Sigma user. Shooting landscape with the Sigma, I get blur at 1/30 and 1/40 second. I get stable images at 1/4 second with the Olympus. In addition to IBIS, something else may be operating here: the Olympus with lens weighs 20 ounces versus 13 ounces for the Sigma. Weight and perhaps different pressure needed to depress the shutter may mean less movement of the Olympus when pressing the shutter.

An image comparison

As expected, the best DP2 images have more depth of color, sensuous color variation, and an indescribable texture not obtained from the E-P1. When trying to capture a really beautiful bit of nature, the DP2 is superior - but for many shots, especially those that are about content or message, both cameras give excellent quality.

The DP2's inferior resolution will often render background foliage as mush. The E-P1 does not.

The E-P1 images seem to need and accept more aggressive sharpening, within the confines of restrained sharpening in general. Start from a raw file in Picture Window Pro, it typically takes radius 1, amount 90 or 100 percent. With a DP2 raw file, the amount is 30 to 60 percent. (Both of these are PWP Advanced Sharpening settings, more refined than typical sharpening.)

Here is a scene shot with both cameras.

The Olympus image from a slightly modified JPG out of the camera:

The Sigma image from a slightly processed raw file:

For a variety of reasons this is not a well-controlled scientific comparison. For one thing, these are downsized JPGs. For another, I find it difficult to make the Olympus ORF raw file better than the out-of-camera JPG. Perhaps over time that will change. Any hints, folks? The camera was set for Natural Picture Mode modified by contrast -1, saturation +1, and sharpness +2.

The Olympus camera did not fix the blown highlight near the tip of the memorial torpedo. I tried adjusting brightness curves, but I found no quick fix.

The Sigma has more dynamic range, hence less of a problem with that highlight area.

The colors are not really comparable, since there are Olympus camera adjustments, and I boosted the Sigma saturation and pulled down the blue a bit. Still, I see a richer color tonal spectrum in the Sigma image . This is not the best image to show off the Olympus, which often produces brilliant colors, although sometimes brittle, too, if that makes sense.

The better resolution of the 12MP Olympus is clear over the 4.6MP Sigma. Yes, those are full-color Foveon pixels on the Sigma, but they do not count for three times as much; more like Bayer 7MP.

Enough from a five-day user of the E-P1.

malextrolli Contributing Member • Posts: 709
Re: Comparison of Olympus E-P1 and Sigma DP2

Sky looks nicer on Foveon. Otherwise I see no drammatic differences in pictures.

(unknown member) Senior Member • Posts: 2,789
Re: Comparison of Olympus E-P1 and Sigma DP2

Really debated over comparison.

Thanks for sharing your results oh this! I think that what we have here is absolutely comparable in terms of IQ results at web size.

Just to add from myself I see a bit better glass from the Sigma on these, center to edge sharpness is clearly perfect, while there is a bit softness at the edges even at web size in the Oly shot. Also I would expect a bit better DOF (if needed) from the Sigma due to the larger sensor and good prime lens with perfect "sensor diagonal to focal length" ratio, when wide open it gives BG bokeh and DOF more like a Leica 8 than like a m4/3.

Thanks for sharing!
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Boris Moscow Contributing Member • Posts: 784
Re: Comparison of Olympus E-P1 and Sigma DP2

Thank you for posting the pictures.

I do agree with what said about the colors of Olympus, I would add they are festive but a little bit brittle to my eyes.

Colors of Sigma look more relaxed , they are the colors of the world I would like to live in.
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oluv Senior Member • Posts: 1,973
4.7 vs 12mp

you should try a really detailed scene with lots of foliage, grass etc. you will notice that the DP2 holds up quite well regarding resolution. i have done lots of tests with my DP1 and G1 (which even produces slightly sharper and more detailed results than the PEN). the DP1 nearly captured the same amount of resolution and it was much sharper on a pixel-basis. here is a crop, you will see that the G1 image although much bigger doesn't contain that much more resolution:

hence, you can even upscale DP1 files to 12mp and they will look similar if not even better than G1-ooc jpegs as you can see in this crop (again DP1 left, G1 right):

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cerement Regular Member • Posts: 248
Re: 4.7 vs 12mp

Not like it'll ever happen, but getting that Foveon sensor with a m4/3 mount and IBIS would be really nice ...

Yeah ... I'll just keep dreaming ...

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oluv Senior Member • Posts: 1,973
Re: 4.7 vs 12mp

would be really nice. but ii am not sure if that foveon really works well together with different lenses. there were some issues on DP1 with green vignetting, they obviously changed the coating on the DP1s lens to avoid this issue. now imagine you could mount another lens to your mFT DP camera, there will probably be other issues...

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(unknown member) Senior Member • Posts: 2,789
Re: 4.7 vs 12mp

This will be a Leica killer LOL, really I mean it!
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(unknown member) Senior Member • Posts: 2,789
Re: 4.7 vs 12mp

Sigma's up-sized shot is actually better, at least for the given crop. It has more detail and damn it looks like it actually has comparable absolute resolution in the real world(unlike the studio tests). And the DR is a totally different story, which once again should be better on the panny if we trust the studio comparison tables and charts (and we don't LOL )
How did you upsize this crop - bicubic smoother or just bicubic normal, or?
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oluv Senior Member • Posts: 1,973
Re: 4.7 vs 12mp

it must not be forgotten that the DP1 is one stop slower at any given iso. this means shooting the DP1 at iso200 with f/4 and 1/100 will give you the same result as shooting the G1 at iso100 with the same settings.

apart from that i was really impressed by the details the DP1 was able to capture, sure when shooting the G1 raw and squeezing out the latest detail out of the files the G1 had the edge. but also impressive how good the G1 kit-lens actually is as it compared really well to the DP1 fixed focal length.

i did upscaling with genuine fractals. it produced some artefacts, but it was also able to extract all detail out of the DP1 raws during upscaling. most other algorithms were blurring the final result too much. blow up from alienskin did very well on diagonal edges, but textures were looking artificial. so for my eye genuine fractals did the best overall job.

here another crop, DP1 raw upscaled to 12mp and G1 raw converted with raw therapee:

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Re: 4.7 vs 12mp

Thanks! It's amazing. I guess below ISO800 the Sigma stays just as good as the m4/3 when upscaled and better in 4MP and smaller sizes( for screen, web, A4 or smaller prints)

This was the last drop for me. I am buying the Sigma for sure. Only I'll go for the 40mm as I love this FL in terms of composing and also like to take street portraits.

Is the DP2 glass faster than the DP1(I know the cam itself is a bit faster, but the glass is more important to me as I shoot MF anyway), or they will both need for example ISO200 where the panny can go with ISO100?

Thanks again!

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TorsteinH
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Re: Comparison of Olympus E-P1 and Sigma DP2

It looks like you simply has produced +1/2EV shot with the 4/3 system and -1/2EV on the other system. If you reduce contrast a bit on the 4/3 imgae and rener it a bit darker.....
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Jeanadriane Senior Member • Posts: 1,722
Re: 4.7 vs 12mp

You might wanna read this first:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sigmadp2/

Yanko Kitanov wrote:

Thanks! It's amazing. I guess below ISO800 the Sigma stays just as good as the m4/3 when upscaled and better in 4MP and smaller sizes( for screen, web, A4 or smaller prints)

This was the last drop for me. I am buying the Sigma for sure. Only I'll go for the 40mm as I love this FL in terms of composing and also like to take street portraits.

Is the DP2 glass faster than the DP1(I know the cam itself is a bit faster, but the glass is more important to me as I shoot MF anyway), or they will both need for example ISO200 where the panny can go with ISO100?

Thanks again!

Cheers!

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oluv Senior Member • Posts: 1,973
Re: 4.7 vs 12mp

i don't think it is the glass, but rather the iso-rating of the sensor. as both DP1 and DP2 use the same sensor there should be no difference. it might also be that panasonic is just underrating their iso and iso100 is in reality iso200.

but of course the DP2 lens is one stop faster than the DP1 lens f/2.8 vs f/4.0

still with EP1 and the f/1.7 pancake you will have 1.5 stops more advantage not counting the IBIS. if i were you i would go for the EP1/2 or even EPL1 with the 20mm pancake.

also consider that scaling down the EP1/2 GF1 or whatever to 4.7mp you will end up with a pretty similar result to the DP1/2. i tried to simulte this here with 2 full-size images. one is a DP1 raw conversion, the other one is a G1 raw conversion scaled down to DP1 size. i am not sure if all will be able to tell which is which (sorry for the pop-ups here from the image host):

http://www.bildercache.de/anzeige.html?dateiname=20091104-001939-977.jpg

http://www.bildercache.de/anzeige.html?dateiname=20091104-002448-345.jpg

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Re: 4.7 vs 12mp

Thank you once again for your thorough advice!

The downscaled shot of the m4/3 shot looks good in the first link, still the second link is much better to my eyes(it's just personal preference) I agree that the panny pancake is just great glass.

I have a little lower budget although, so the DP2 from amazon for $540 is the best bargain I found, I might even have budget left for a small Metz bounce flash for it.

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oluv Senior Member • Posts: 1,973
Re: 4.7 vs 12mp

the first link is DP1 btw, the second link G1

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nick_webster
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G1 has far more detail,

The Sigma has completely failed to resolve that Mini you can see in the G1 shot

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Re: Comparison of Olympus E-P1 and Sigma DP2

Hi Charles. Thank you for posting these samples and your opinion about these two cameras. I am constantly being tempted by the Sigma DP1/DP1s/DP2. I've admired what people have been doing with the DP1 &2 for a while, especially Carl Rytterfalk's work.

If I understand you correctly, given good lighting you'd choose to shoot with the DP2? I feel like there might by a DP2 in my future. Thanks again for posting.

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cerement Regular Member • Posts: 248
Re: Comparison of Olympus E-P1 and Sigma DP2

seattlesteve wrote:

If I understand you correctly, given good lighting you'd choose to shoot with the DP2? I feel like there might by a DP2 in my future. Thanks again for posting.

You'll see any of the Foveons often described as "light hungry", they really need good light to show off their best results. On the other hand, when you give them that light, the results, both in detail and color, are stunning.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sigmadp2/page19.asp (more detail than Sony A330)

Here's DPR's studio raw comparison between the E-P1 and the DP2:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sigmadp2/page17.asp

DPR: "... even in a large print it seems unlikely that the extra pixels on the Olympus sensor would give you any advantage."

The letdown is the rest of the camera. It's a cranky, quirky, spoiled little brat and it has more than its fair share of faults. Sigma owners are just willing to put up with it because we are that much in love with the image quality (or we're just touched in heads, depending on who you listen to).
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sigmadp2/page23.asp

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Re: Comparison of Olympus E-P1 and Sigma DP2

seattlesteve wrote:

If I understand you correctly, given good lighting you'd choose to shoot with the DP2?

More or less, yes. The image quality of the DP2 is the major thing, almost hypnotic at times.

In real life, though, which camera do you carry? Light conditions change suddenly. For a couple days I carried both in two pockets of a jacket. For a couple of days only!

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