Six cameras in development? Sony’s internal numbering suggests so

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milchtaich New Member • Posts: 12
Six cameras in development? Sony’s internal numbering suggests so

My theory is somewhat conjectural, so no need to take it too seriously. But it is at least based on a solid fact. I found that the Sony RAW file (ARW and SF2) Exif metadata includes a camera model code, stored as the Sony makernotes tag 0xb001. You can read this tag using applications like ExifTool or PhotoMe. The (decimal) codes are as follows:
2 = DSC-R1

256 = DSLR-A100
257 = DSLR-A900
258 = DSLR-A700
259 = DSLR-A200
260 = DSLR-A350
261 = DSLR-A300

263 = DSLR-A380
264 = DSLR-A330
265 = DSLR-A230

269 = DSLR-A850

[??? = DSLR-A500 Files not examined]
273 = DSLR-A550

The “holes” in the list suggest that six (or seven, depending on the unknown A500 code) additional cameras have at least reached the stage in which they get their own code. Some of them may of course never see the day of light. But others may be models with a long gestation period, like the A900, which was a announced a year after the A700 but has a lower code. They may be either DSLRs or other cameras that make raw files. Interesting, isn’t it?

dougas Regular Member • Posts: 323
Re: Six cameras in development? Sony’s internal numbering suggests so

Excellent work! This is very interesting. You can see a logical progression. It does make you wonder what was cancelled when the economic meltdown struck.
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dougas Regular Member • Posts: 323
Re: Six cameras in development? Sony’s internal numbering suggests so

Wonder what 262 was? Killer entry level , cancelled at the last minute due to global recession. hence stop-gap 230/330/380 cheaper bodies recycled old tech = min investment = min risk, ride the storm and see what happens, or even HD video took them by surprise.

265-289 could be A720, A730, A780 ? would be crazy? Too many cameras. What about A750, A930, A1000?

This is a clever post. Makes you think/dream.
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ulrichsson Regular Member • Posts: 124
Re: Six cameras in development? Sony’s internal numbering suggests so

Wonder what 262 was? ...

Obviously the A250, 14MP, no live view.

dougas Regular Member • Posts: 323
Re: Six cameras in development? Sony’s internal numbering suggests so

ulrichsson wrote:

Wonder what 262 was? ...

Obviously the A250, 14MP, no live view.

A250 10mp, no live view, no MLU, no AEL, no high power flash, 1 FPS, no grip, no M, A or P settings and no OVF, no vert grip, no tripod mount.......
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gillbod Senior Member • Posts: 1,598
Re: Six cameras in development? Sony’s internal numbering suggests so

well...

it would be silly for sony to keep thinking up new technology for the mid and lower-level cameras. the logical thing to do would be to think up cutting edge technology, and let the lower and mid-level cameras take older technology.

it seems to me that the 5xx series have a new sensor, but they don't yet seem like top-level cameras, with the a700 still being sony's premier aps-c.

given this balance, i'd imagine an 5xx sensor in an a700 body, with all the 700's features like a solid body and mlu etc, and then some new lower levels carrying the 700's sensor to fill the gap without the 700's perks.

that would be the logical way for sony to milk their technology for their profit.

i'm not much of a speculator, but it feels like i'm just putting 2 and 2 together here.

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No it was the

ulrichsson wrote:

Wonder what 262 was? ...

A101

Which schools all the other entry level cameras to date.

C

WaltKnapp Forum Pro • Posts: 13,857
Re: Six cameras in development? Sony’s internal numbering suggests so

milchtaich wrote:

My theory is somewhat conjectural, so no need to take it too seriously.

The usual wishful thinking in other words?

The “holes” in the list suggest that six (or seven, depending on the unknown A500 code) additional cameras have at least reached the stage in which they get their own code. Some of them may of course never see the day of light.

The older numbers are undoubtedly abandoned models. There's probably a whole set of beginner models in the works, the replacement cycle is faster there. There are 5 beginner/consumer models now to be replaced. Plus the 850/900 are now over a year old designs.

But others may be models with a long gestation period, like the A900, which was a announced a year after the A700 but has a lower code.

The a700 and a900 appeared initially together as show mockups. They were started at the same time. The a900 took longer due to having to develop the larger sensor and then develop SSS to go with it.

Walt

Phixel Veteran Member • Posts: 3,777
Forget the codes

and tell me Sony will be continuing the 7XX series with a new model!!

-Phil

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Alexramos Senior Member • Posts: 1,592
Re: Six cameras in development? Sony’s internal numbering suggests so

milchtaich wrote:

My theory is somewhat conjectural, so no need to take it too seriously. But it is at least based on a solid fact. I found that the Sony RAW file (ARW and SF2) Exif metadata includes a camera model code, stored as the Sony makernotes tag 0xb001. You can read this tag using applications like ExifTool or PhotoMe. The (decimal) codes are as follows:
2 = DSC-R1

256 = DSLR-A100
257 = DSLR-A900
258 = DSLR-A700
259 = DSLR-A200
260 = DSLR-A350
261 = DSLR-A300

263 = DSLR-A380
264 = DSLR-A330
265 = DSLR-A230

269 = DSLR-A850

[??? = DSLR-A500 Files not examined]
273 = DSLR-A550

The “holes” in the list suggest that six (or seven, depending on the unknown A500 code) additional cameras have at least reached the stage in which they get their own code. Some of them may of course never see the day of light. But others may be models with a long gestation period, like the A900, which was a announced a year after the A700 but has a lower code. They may be either DSLRs or other cameras that make raw files. Interesting, isn’t it?

262 = a250 (14MPx no LV/no tilting LCD)
266, 267, 268 = a730, a750, a780
272 = a500
270, 271 = a800, a950

Or something like this...

Danel Senior Member • Posts: 2,905
Re: Forget the codes

Phixel wrote:

and tell me Sony will be continuing the 7XX series with a new model!!

Sony will be continuing the 7xx series with a new model. There. Feel better? Good! Glad to be of assistance.

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filmrescue Contributing Member • Posts: 818
Re: Six cameras in development? Sony’s internal numbering suggests so

I'm betting that what followed the 2=dcs r-1 was that R-2 with better high ISO IQ and a stabilized sensor I waited so long for. It's a cruel world.

Ken_5D Forum Pro • Posts: 11,820
Re: Six cameras in development? Sony’s internal numbering suggests so

milchtaich wrote:

My theory is somewhat conjectural, so no need to take it too seriously. But it is at least based on a solid fact. I found that the Sony RAW file (ARW and SF2) Exif metadata includes a camera model code, stored as the Sony makernotes tag 0xb001. You can read this tag using applications like ExifTool or PhotoMe. The (decimal) codes are as follows:

Interesting find....
Lets look at this.. and think about it this way.. when the project was started.

2 = DSC-R1

256 = DSLR-A100
257 = DSLR-A900
258 = DSLR-A700
259 = DSLR-A200
260 = DSLR-A350
261 = DSLR-A300

262= - DSLR-A750 (long time coming because it will be up against the 7D and D400

263 = DSLR-A380
264 = DSLR-A330
265 = DSLR-A230

266 = A390 The new lowe end cameras are casing and UI only so as soon as they were planned.. the next genration was started too... I have seen this in software.. the part of the team takes the minor upgrade version, the rest go on to work on the major version upgrad.
267 = A340
268 = A250

269 = DSLR-A850

ONLY IF 262 was canceled to create two cameras...
270 A730 = Dual Live view $1300 A700 level camera except OVF
271 A750 = Fulle HD video on sensor live view.. 100% VF $1599
OR
270 = A950

271 = A870 new FF using A500/A550 technology so started at the same time but will take an extra year to happen.

[??? = DSLR-A500 Files not examined]
273 = DSLR-A550

The “holes” in the list suggest that six (or seven, depending on the unknown A500 code) additional cameras have at least reached the stage in which they get their own code. Some of them may of course never see the day of light. But others may be models with a long gestation period, like the A900, which was a announced a year after the A700 but has a lower code. They may be either DSLRs or other cameras that make raw files. Interesting, isn’t it?

Nice post...

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Phixel Veteran Member • Posts: 3,777
Re: Forget the codes

Danel wrote:

Phixel wrote:

and tell me Sony will be continuing the 7XX series with a new model!!

Sony will be continuing the 7xx series with a new model. There. Feel better? Good! Glad to be of assistance.


Thank you!
-Phil

Boardhead Senior Member • Posts: 1,122
Re: Six cameras in development? Sony’s internal numbering suggests so

Yes, very interesting. Thanks for pointing this out, I will add it to exiftool.

If you have decoded any more tag, please let me know and I will add them too. My email is phil at owl.phy.queensu.ca

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