Panasonic new M4/3 GF1 Part II

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GregGory Veteran Member • Posts: 4,252
Panasonic new M4/3 GF1 Part II

The original thread

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=32606187

maxed out in just about 7 1/2 hours (!) which must be one of the fastest moving threads in DPR history.

This is the source:

http://forum.xitek.com/showthread.php?threadid=652133

This is a rough brush up made by mpgxsvcd

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It would be awesome if someone can start a new thread or a create a dynamic webpage that says everything we know so far about this camera.

So far here is what I have learned. Feel free to add to this.

1. It will be almost the exact same dimensions as the EP1. “E-P1 is 121mm (W) x 70mm (H) x 36mm (D), 119X71X36.3mm for the GF1.”

2. It will have a pop-up flash.

3. It does not have an EVF but it appears that an external one can be used.

4. It has a dedicated movie record button on the top right of the camera.

5. It has HDMI output.

6. It uses the AVCHD- Lite format which means 720p(1280x720) but we don’t know the frame rate.

7. It has a single mono microphone on the top of the camera.

8. It will have 20/1.7 and 45/2.8 macro lenses available. However, we don’t know if they will be bundled with the camera.

9. It has a hot shoe.

10. It has a widescreen LCD.

11. It does not have in body image stabilization.

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Bas Hamstra Senior Member • Posts: 1,627
It comes closer to the ideal cam

...with it's buit-in flash. There are a lot of occasions where you can mix ambient light with a small flash in a darker environment. It is a must for me. Secondly: if AF is as fast as the G1 the 2 major drawbacks of the EP-1 are solved.

The ideal cam would have built-in EVF without sticking out too much. It will come...and it will own the market.

Bas

GregGory wrote:

The original thread

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=32606187

maxed out in just about 7 1/2 hours (!) which must be one of the fastest moving threads in DPR history.

This is the source:

http://forum.xitek.com/showthread.php?threadid=652133

This is a rough brush up made by mpgxsvcd

Quote

It would be awesome if someone can start a new thread or a create a dynamic webpage that says everything we know so far about this camera.

So far here is what I have learned. Feel free to add to this.

1. It will be almost the exact same dimensions as the EP1. “E-P1 is 121mm (W) x 70mm (H) x 36mm (D), 119X71X36.3mm for the GF1.”

2. It will have a pop-up flash.

3. It does not have an EVF but it appears that an external one can be used.

4. It has a dedicated movie record button on the top right of the camera.

5. It has HDMI output.

6. It uses the AVCHD- Lite format which means 720p(1280x720) but we don’t know the frame rate.

7. It has a single mono microphone on the top of the camera.

8. It will have 20/1.7 and 45/2.8 macro lenses available. However, we don’t know if they will be bundled with the camera.

9. It has a hot shoe.

10. It has a widescreen LCD.

11. It does not have in body image stabilization.

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Godfrey Forum Pro • Posts: 29,439
... ideal ?

Bas Hamstra wrote:

...with it's buit-in flash.

Great if you use it. Only camera I use the built in flash on is the L1, because it can be used as a bounce flash. I don't even know if the one on my G1 works ... !

... Secondly: if AF is as fast as the G1 the 2 major drawbacks of the EP-1 are solved.

The drawback to that is the Panasonics do not support AF for the majority of the Olympus FourThirds SLR lenses. The E-P1 seems to work fine with all of them. So if manual focus for all the professional grade lenses is fine by you (it doesn't bother me at all), then yeah: its a step closer to heavenly.

The ideal cam would have built-in EVF without sticking out too much. It will come...and it will own the market.

That's the G1/GH1 model. A great little camera.

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Jorginho Forum Pro • Posts: 14,788
Re: It comes closer to the ideal cam

Well, the 45 mm Leica on its own is interesting enough! I am glad the Ep1 is here, so there is competition and probably keeps the price in check. I like this look more than the EP-1, which looks good also BTW.

I wonder when it will enter the market....and already wonder how well this one wil be available. Because LX3, G1 and GH1 seem to be very hard to get (G1 better nowadays). Lens availability is also not too good. I bought the 45-200 mm via ebay because of price but also because it would take 4-6 weeks to get it 9and that is two weeks ago)..

All in all: Panasonic keeps being THE company that at least innovates and keeps image quality a priority. Olympus follows (and manufactures great lenses!), the others (N+C) are thirteen in a dozen as we say in The Netherlands. Nothing that excites me.

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Brian Mosley Forum Pro • Posts: 20,709
Amazing, how two cameras can look so different...

While having almost identical dimensions!

Can't wait to see the detachable EVF...

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Brian Mosley Forum Pro • Posts: 20,709
Olympus follows Panasonic the innovator?

Wow, this is a great place to find alternative views

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Bas Hamstra Senior Member • Posts: 1,627
Try to mix flash with ambient

I have very good results with my 400D and mixing ambient with built-in flash. Bounce flash isn't everything anyway, ask that in the lighting forum. I have a 430EX but it's a hassle to drag along anywhere.

Bas

Godfrey wrote:

Bas Hamstra wrote:

...with it's buit-in flash.

Great if you use it. Only camera I use the built in flash on is the L1, because it can be used as a bounce flash. I don't even know if the one on my G1 works ... !

... Secondly: if AF is as fast as the G1 the 2 major drawbacks of the EP-1 are solved.

The drawback to that is the Panasonics do not support AF for the majority of the Olympus FourThirds SLR lenses. The E-P1 seems to work fine with all of them. So if manual focus for all the professional grade lenses is fine by you (it doesn't bother me at all), then yeah: its a step closer to heavenly.

The ideal cam would have built-in EVF without sticking out too much. It will come...and it will own the market.

That's the G1/GH1 model. A great little camera.

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SteB Veteran Member • Posts: 4,526
Is the macro lens IF or an extending lens?

I've been wondering about this ever since I first saw the photos of the 45mm macro lens prototype earlier on this year. Going from the photographs it looks a bit like an IF (Internal Focus - none extending) lens. Does anyone else have any clues about this?

Rich Simpson UK Veteran Member • Posts: 4,089
Re: Amazing, how two cameras can look so different...

Probably a bit like this .... http://www.cliftoncameras.co.uk/Ricoh_VF1_Viewfinder_for_GX100_and_GX200

... and I've never used mine FWIW!

I would imagine the Panny EVF will be high resolution with full info display, and hinged for 90 deg view ie perfect for low level macros etc. - giving the best of both worlds. Probably a case will be available as well to accommodate the EVF, again, as per Ricoh.

Very different prospect for longer focal length lenses though, where eyepiece can be pressed against eye for stability, and with Panny Mode 1 IS, image is "shake-free".

Rich

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Lets Hope it Stirs Oly up

To do a major speed up for the AF on the EP1 when using M4/3 lenses ! . you can bet your boots the "Geoff-One" will have "Gee-One" speed ..

I also hope the EVF's Magnifier optics are 100% better than the ones in the Ricoh EVF and that it doesn't follow the Usual Panny trait of costing the earth..
Looks like the LX3 is dead - it's been said to be discontinued .....

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Bas Hamstra Senior Member • Posts: 1,627
There's rumours about LX? with 1/1.3 backlit sensor (NT)

Bas

AdamT wrote:

To do a major speed up for the AF on the EP1 when using M4/3 lenses ! . you can bet your boots the "Geoff-One" will have "Gee-One" speed ..

I also hope the EVF's Magnifier optics are 100% better than the ones in the Ricoh EVF and that it doesn't follow the Usual Panny trait of costing the earth..
Looks like the LX3 is dead - it's been said to be discontinued .....

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Brian Mosley Forum Pro • Posts: 20,709
That's a cheap EVF...

I doubt very much that a Panny EVF will be less than £100.

I'm most interested in the Leica 45mm f2.8 lens... looking forward (hoping) to see the first m4/3rds lens not requiring serious distortion/CA correction.

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Re: ... ideal ?

Godfrey wrote:

The drawback to that is the Panasonics do not support AF for the majority of the Olympus FourThirds SLR lenses. The E-P1 seems to work fine with all of them. So if manual focus for all the professional grade lenses is fine by you (it doesn't bother me at all), then yeah: its a step closer to heavenly.

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There is a reason for this as many of the older Oly lenses do not have fast motor drives so slows down the whole AF process. Pany M43 does AF with a number of the most popular Oly 4/3 lenses and those with motor drives. Oly in contrast by trying to make AF compatible with all Oly 4/3 lens suffers a big loss in AF speed accordingly. Both systems have their advantages so it depends how important fast AF is to you and what Oly 4/3 lenses you already own.

The ideal cam would have built-in EVF without sticking out too much. It will come...and it will own the market.

That's the G1/GH1 model. A great little camera.

-- Most projections are that Pany will be producing a second model much like the mini GL1 model which was shown awhile ago with in body EVF by years end. To keep the size down Pany would likely go to 2.75" rear LCD screen hopefully swivel. They can make this model with more depth for EVF and swivel screen and likely have GH1 HD capability. GH1 would still have larger HD viewfinder and rear swivel screen and easier handling of larger lenses.

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Robert Deutsch Forum Pro • Posts: 10,226
Re: Lets Hope it Stirs Oly up

AdamT wrote:

Looks like the LX3 is dead - it's been said to be discontinued .....

If so, it's only because the LX4 is on the way. I don't see the m4/3 cameras as providing a replacement for the LX-3 or the G10. A critical difference is size: the LX3 (and the G10) can be carried conveniently in a belt pouch, not so for the m4/3 cameras. (Certainly not with any zoom lens.) So there will be a market for an LX3 successor. I, for one, am looking forward to it--and to the release of the G11.

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Brian Mosley Forum Pro • Posts: 20,709
Show me the lenses!

Great projections, exciting variations of bodies... but let's see some more decent m4/3rds lenses!

Any bets the Lumix 20mm f1.7 pancake won't need distortion/CA correction?

My hopes are currently pinned on Leica, and whatever Olympus bring with their more expensive m4/3rds cam.

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Re: Olympus follows Panasonic the innovator?

Well, as far as I know it was the main force behind micro four thirds, it was the first one to get a micro four third on the market. Any other cam or camtype receiving that much attention as this type?

And i don't know of any Olympus compact that even comes close to the LX3 or FZ-50. Camera's are more than DSLR and EVIL. I find Olympus really lackluster in the P&S market, only extending on current trend. 12 zomm, 18 zoom, 20 zoom 24* zoom..wow...how exciting. LX3: only 2,5 zoom but a 2.0 Leica lens on it. That is quite different from what any other company does (besides DLux4 of Leica, which is essentially a panasonic LX3).

From what I have read, on the P&S front Panasonic always has been the company that set new standards (or at least for quite some time). Do you know of any other company that uses Leica lenses as almost a standard in their line up?

Too bad Sony stopped with the R1, the only other cam I found really exciting the last coiple of years.

But I am not mr knowitall, so if i am wrong, what am I missing??

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Brian Mosley Forum Pro • Posts: 20,709
Where to start...

Panasonic are indeed very strong P&S manufacturers imho - I'm a big fan of the FX and LX series and the TZ series also look fantastic.

Olympus create cameras with soul imho. I think the E-P1 is a good example of that.

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Re: Lets Hope it Stirs Oly up

But then again many did not see the G1 as a replacement for the FZ-50. But it seems it is. Many FZ-50 users supposedly have jumped on the G1 bandwagon, I am one of them.

It is quite possible that the GF1 will do the same with the LX3. May be also smart: you could produce the same sensors for two different camera's. And sell lenses also....But I am no marketing expert.

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redrobin Regular Member • Posts: 416
Re: Panasonic new M4/3 GF1 Part II

I got the P1 and I'm happy I did not wait. It looks good and I love that their are 2 players in the market that have a some what different approach. I like the P1 form factor and I have it now not whenever the Panny will be available.

It will put my decision to get the 17 mm on hold those lenses look great, faster then the 2.8 and a macro 90 mm equivalent. That's why I went with the micro 4/3 I bet that the lenses would follow, looks like I was correct.

I'm not ready to start dumping my Nikon gear but I don't think I'll spend too much more on it for a while.
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