17mm TS-E and some NYC landmark skyscrapers

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jimcreative Senior Member • Posts: 2,583
17mm TS-E and some NYC landmark skyscrapers

The Flat Iron Building...

This was the geometry straight out of the camera. Yeah... I faked the sky. So sue me.

Chrysler Building...

This one had to be taken with full vertical shift PLUS a little PS correction since I still had to tilt the camera up (not to be confused with tilting the lens). Another faked sky. Charge me on 2 counts.

BTW, you almost NEVER see a photo of the Chrysler Building that runs from the base to the top taken from ground level.

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can_ka_no_rey Senior Member • Posts: 1,564
Re: 17mm TS-E and some NYC landmark skyscrapers

Great shots, almost unreal, due to the corrected distorsion...

Did you shoot handheld or on a tripod?

Thanks for sharing... I would love to buy this lens but it's very specific and very expensive...
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jimcreative OP Senior Member • Posts: 2,583
Re: 17mm TS-E and some NYC landmark skyscrapers

These were hand held. I would focus using live view on the 1DsIII and then either use the live view to compose or the viewfinder.

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Kjeld Olesen Veteran Member • Posts: 3,737
Oh no!!!

Not again!!

I think I may have to get one of this little darling for myself :-/

Great pictures by the way - puts my software corrected Flat Iron with D30 + Sigma 8 mm fish to shame!

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Eric Sorensen Veteran Member • Posts: 4,638
Very impressive in-lens correction

I'm sure you will put your new lens to very good use. Does the shift seem to have more or less range than the 24mm T/S?
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TunicaAdventitia Forum Member • Posts: 65
Re: 17mm TS-E and some NYC landmark skyscrapers

great shots! did people walking by stare at you?

Freddy Mercurio Regular Member • Posts: 371
Re: 17mm TS-E and some NYC landmark skyscrapers

How is the image quality when shifted?
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Yellonet Senior Member • Posts: 1,253
Doesn't look right to me...

Do the buildings really look like that, it looks very wrong to me... in the second shot none of the buildings' corners are 90 degrees.

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jimcreative OP Senior Member • Posts: 2,583
Re: 17mm TS-E and some NYC landmark skyscrapers

Image quality is ridiculously good. Fully shifted the corners (at the extreme shifted part of the frame) are sharper than the 16-35II corners (at 16mm) except for maybe the very last little bit of the corner that probably is considered out of the intended range of use from a strict sense.

I have never been happier with a lens. It is absolutely ridiculously good.

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jimcreative OP Senior Member • Posts: 2,583
Re: Doesn't look right to me...

It does take come getting used to when you look at extreme wide angle lenses that are perspective corrected. I could go into the whole perceptual/psychology thing to tell you what is going on but it would bore most people to tears.

Suffice it to say that when the verticals are rendered in true parallel fashion the extreme edges of the image may appear stretched, such as the building to the right in the second shot. It is a matter of taste as to what is more offensive - the apparently stretched rendering of a few outlying details or the wholesale non-verticality of a non-shift perspective.

I prefer the verticals to be straight as do 99.97% of my clients.

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Keith Cooper
Keith Cooper Senior Member • Posts: 1,279
Re: Doesn't look right to me...

The projection you get when using this lens can easily make some aspects look a bit 'wrong' still impressive though

Look at the difference between the base and top of this view of the clock tower in Leicester (UK)

17mm at full shift

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wow the flat iron has never looked more precarious!

yikes

mmarian Senior Member • Posts: 1,204
Re: 17mm TS-E and some NYC landmark skyscrapers

Very impresive indeed. It makes me to want to see more such amazing shots demonstrating what is this lens capable of. I can't wait to get it myself, I am on a long waiting list........

canon_lover Regular Member • Posts: 138
the blur quality

hi Jim and Keith and all

can you pls post some photos of the extreme tilt and shift to show the blur qualities of this lens, i know most people who buy this is to correct the images, I'm more interested on its artistic potential and wanted to see images where the blur is more artisticly used.

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Stephen Reid Junior Member • Posts: 41
Re: Doesn't look right to me...

Keith Cooper wrote:

The projection you get when using this lens can easily make some aspects look a bit 'wrong' still impressive though

Look at the difference between the base and top of this view of the clock tower in Leicester (UK)

So are you not correcting the vertical perspective with the trade off of the horizontal being exaggerated?

I see a similar effect in the OP's first image. The top of the building looks significantly larger and more angled than the bottom.

While these are very pleasing images on the whole, there is something just a little bit weird about them that doesn't sit well with me.

rockrose Regular Member • Posts: 140
Re: Doesn't look right to me...

The images indeed aren't 'right' compared to the perspective as you see it: parallel lines should converge in the distance. Some architects and people how know about architectural photography want parallel verticals and prefer this kind of distortion.

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Keith Cooper Senior Member • Posts: 1,279
Re: Doesn't look right to me...

It's an interesting trade-off that works for some images (and clients) but not for others.

I'd noticed the effect sometimes with the old TS-E24 I've used for several years, but the extra width of the 17mm makes it more noticeable.

This is one aspect of the 17mm that needs some practice - not just to find out what it will do, but also to get a better feel for when not to use it.

For this picture, yes I got the whole cathedral spire in the shot, but it hardly gets over the proper feel for the narrow lanes in the area.

This one next to the cathedral does give more of a feel for the scale

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Keith Cooper Senior Member • Posts: 1,279
Re: the blur quality

I'll have a look when I'm out using it.

Tilt just isn't something I expect to use much with the 17mm (I'll admit that once I've seen a couple of 'miniature' type shots, I'm ready to turn the page)

Time to check my tilt tables

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Keith Cooper
Keith Cooper Senior Member • Posts: 1,279
with tilt

Here's the view outside my front door

TSE-17 at f/4

6.5 degrees of tilt, which from my printed tilt table puts the focal plane distance 'J' about 15cm to the left of the camera.

Focus adjusted to move the sharp zone onto the building near the skips

Tilt tables used are the ones at:
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/using_tilt.html

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