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G. Gray
G. Gray Veteran Member • Posts: 4,535
Thread closed or what ?? Maybe to me only ?

I tried to open the thread in the news discussion forum.
"Brits get even more state-controlled cameras poin... NEW Jim Carney"
But, can't open it. I can open a thread on either side.

Also if I click on the name Jim Carney as listed in the news discussion forum, all I get is my thread listings, but not all. It seems that my last postings to the thread I tried to open have been removed. My postings are polite without antagonism or namecalling.
I assume somebody has hit the complaint button ?
Does anyone have an explanation ? Has anyone else been removed from this thread?
thankyou
Gerry

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Re: Thread closed or what ?? Maybe to me only ?

You are not alone; I was trying to have a look at the news forum, and the the two upper ones were not accessible. They have disappeared since.
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G. Gray
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Re: Thread closed or what ?? Maybe to me only ?

It seems now that the entire thread "Brits get even ...." has been removed and this post about a closed thread has been moved from news discussion to the open talk forum.
Man, I am confused.
Gerry

G. Gray wrote:

I tried to open the thread in the news discussion forum.
"Brits get even more state-controlled cameras poin... NEW Jim Carney"
But, can't open it. I can open a thread on either side.
Also if I click on the name Jim Carney as listed in the news
discussion forum, all I get is my thread listings, but not all. It
seems that my last postings to the thread I tried to open have been
removed. My postings are polite without antagonism or namecalling.
I assume somebody has hit the complaint button ?
Does anyone have an explanation ? Has anyone else been removed from
this thread?
thankyou
Gerry

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Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and tax it out of business?

Smudger79 Contributing Member • Posts: 933
Re: Thread closed or what ?? Maybe to me only ?

I couldn't open it either a few minutes ago, and I can't see it now at all either.
Must have been removed.

G. Gray wrote:
It seems now that the entire thread "Brits get even ...." has been
removed and this post about a closed thread has been moved from news
discussion to the open talk forum.
Man, I am confused.
Gerry

G. Gray wrote:

I tried to open the thread in the news discussion forum.
"Brits get even more state-controlled cameras poin... NEW Jim Carney"
But, can't open it. I can open a thread on either side.
Also if I click on the name Jim Carney as listed in the news
discussion forum, all I get is my thread listings, but not all. It
seems that my last postings to the thread I tried to open have been
removed. My postings are polite without antagonism or namecalling.
I assume somebody has hit the complaint button ?
Does anyone have an explanation ? Has anyone else been removed from
this thread?
thankyou
Gerry

bobn2
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Re: Thread closed or what ?? Maybe to me only ?

G. Gray wrote:

I tried to open the thread in the news discussion forum.
"Brits get even more state-controlled cameras poin... NEW Jim Carney"
But, can't open it. I can open a thread on either side.
Also if I click on the name Jim Carney as listed in the news
discussion forum, all I get is my thread listings, but not all. It
seems that my last postings to the thread I tried to open have been
removed. My postings are polite without antagonism or namecalling.
I assume somebody has hit the complaint button ?
Does anyone have an explanation ? Has anyone else been removed from
this thread?
thankyou
Gerry

There is a lot of thread locking/pulling going on. It is very difficult to fathom out the motivation behind the DPR editorial policy. Certainly, very abusive content seems to be fine, and can go without removal or locking. Threads and sub-threads on DPR's editorial policy have I high probability of getting pulled or locked. If this has already been moved, my guess is that it's only a matter of time before it's pulled. As for the original thread, there seems to be a level of political discussion that is not tolerated. I engaged in a series of threads on the ethics of erotic photography, that ended up with threads being pulled and me being banned, even though it was hard to find anything objectionable in the content of the threads themselves. British security policy would seem to be another touchy area. I have a theory that there's some intersection between Phil Askey's belief set and the requirements of the Singapore government (where I believe DPR is hosted: http://www.beesker.com/digital-cameras.asp ) which is not known for its liberal attitude on many issues.
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Barrie Davis
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Re: Thread closed or what ?? Maybe to me only ?

bobn2 wrote:

I have a theory that there's some intersection
between Phil Askey's belief set and the requirements of the Singapore
government (where I believe DPR is hosted:
http://www.beesker.com/digital-cameras.asp ) which is not known for
its liberal attitude on many issues.

I thought DPR review was operated from London and hosted in NY State. If you are right about Singapore, then that would explain quite a lot!!
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Joseph S Wisniewski Forum Pro • Posts: 34,169
The troll Michael Anderson....

G. Gray wrote:

I tried to open the thread in the news discussion forum.
"Brits get even more state-controlled cameras poin... NEW Jim Carney"
But, can't open it. I can open a thread on either side.
Also if I click on the name Jim Carney as listed in the news
discussion forum, all I get is my thread listings, but not all. It
seems that my last postings to the thread I tried to open have been
removed. My postings are polite without antagonism or namecalling.
I assume somebody has hit the complaint button ?

It doesn't matter how polite your posts to that thread were. If a particular post is removed, all replies to that post are removed, and all replies to the replies, etc...

If the first post in the thread is removed, the thread is gone. In this particular case, it looks like a lot of posts by Michael Anderson (aka "Jim Carney") are gone.

I'm glad dpReview removed one where he took a thread about another forum member's wife's fight against cancer, and tried to use it as a soapbox about nuclear power plants.

On a personal note, I don't mind the loss of some of his "name calling" posts, either.

Does anyone have an explanation ? Has anyone else been removed from
this thread?

Yes, one of mine was removed from that thread. But I don't mind. As long as the whole thread is gone, it's a net gain for the dpReview community.

Michael has been on a whirlwind tour the last few days. He's hit most of the forums on dpReview, trying to start flame wars on every topic under the sun, from brand wars in the Oly, Nikon, and Canon forums, to politics of several countries, to the classic "film is dead".

Mr. Anderson gets banned a lot. Previous accounts have included "rander3127", "Jonathan Demarais", and "Apochromatic".

He also trolls heavily on other forums, most often under the rander3127 name. Aside from many other photography forums, you'll find he tried his tricks on DVD forums, astronomy forums, and political forums.

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Joseph S Wisniewski Forum Pro • Posts: 34,169
Bob, in this case...

bobn2 wrote:

There is a lot of thread locking/pulling going on. It is very
difficult to fathom out the motivation behind the DPR editorial
policy.

In this case, it's not so difficult. Michael Anderson ("Jim Carney", "rander3127", "Jonathan Demarais", and "Apochromatic") has been on a major trolling spree since Friday.

A bit more, here.

Certainly, very abusive content seems to be fine, and can go
without removal or locking.

Did you ever complain about any of the threads that you consider abusive? dpReview removal policy seems based mostly on the number and type of complaints.

Threads and sub-threads on DPR's
editorial policy have I high probability of getting pulled or locked.

I've not noticed that they do in any higher percentage than other threads.

If this has already been moved, my guess is that it's only a matter
of time before it's pulled. As for the original thread, there seems
to be a level of political discussion that is not tolerated. I
engaged in a series of threads on the ethics of erotic photography,
that ended up with threads being pulled and me being banned, even
though it was hard to find anything objectionable in the content of
the threads themselves. British security policy would seem to be
another touchy area. I have a theory that there's some intersection
between Phil Askey's belief set and the requirements of the Singapore
government (where I believe DPR is hosted:
http://www.beesker.com/digital-cameras.asp ) which is not known for
its liberal attitude on many issues.

But they are known for hosting dang near anything, no questions asked

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bobn2
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Re: Thread closed or what ?? Maybe to me only ?

Barrie Davis wrote:

bobn2 wrote:

I have a theory that there's some intersection
between Phil Askey's belief set and the requirements of the Singapore
government (where I believe DPR is hosted:
http://www.beesker.com/digital-cameras.asp ) which is not known for
its liberal attitude on many issues.

I thought DPR review was operated from London and hosted in NY State.
If you are right about Singapore, then that would explain quite a
lot!!

The evidence I have is the thing I linked to, it could be out of date, or just wrong.

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G. Gray
OP G. Gray Veteran Member • Posts: 4,535
Re: The troll Michael Anderson....

Thanks for the heads up.
I hope that you are feeling better.
Gerry
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Simon Joinson
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Re: Thread closed or what ?? Maybe to me only ?

bobn2 wrote:

I have a theory that there's some intersection
between Phil Askey's belief set and the requirements of the Singapore
government (where I believe DPR is hosted:
http://www.beesker.com/digital-cameras.asp ) which is not known for
its liberal attitude on many issues.
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Bob

Wrong.
Sj

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bobn2
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Re: Bob, in this case...

Joseph S Wisniewski wrote:

bobn2 wrote:

There is a lot of thread locking/pulling going on. It is very
difficult to fathom out the motivation behind the DPR editorial
policy.

In this case, it's not so difficult. Michael Anderson ("Jim Carney",
"rander3127", "Jonathan Demarais", and "Apochromatic") has been on a
major trolling spree since Friday.

A bit more, here.

There are a lot of people around who've come back after being banned for one reason or another. I don't know this Michale Anderson (incidentally, I'd be interested to know the techniques you use for troll recognition, you seem very sure these people are who you say they are) or why he was banned, but the fact he's been banned says nothing. I'm sure you've followed the case of joe mama, who's been banned and back multiple times, if not its in http://www.josephjamesphotography.com/drpban . Joe's a good 'un, like several I now know, once you've seen the rudeness and ignorance of the DPR disciplinary machine for yourself, you get a bit obsessive about it. Joe's got a good catalogue of highly offensive posts which have been complained and gone without action.

Certainly, very abusive content seems to be fine, and can go
without removal or locking.

Did you ever complain about any of the threads that you consider
abusive? dpReview removal policy seems based mostly on the number and
type of complaints.

I'm not sure where you get that information from. So far as I'm aware, DPR doesn't either inform people when a complaint has been made against them or give precise reasons for a ban. In the absence of such information, it is impossible to fathom how their policy operates. I can only speak from personal experience, but neither of my bans followed abusive behaviour (I know, I can be driven to it, but in nether of these cases). In your own case, you can be really obnoxious to people you consider to be trolls, and I'm sure have many complaints against your name, but you've not been banned (or maybe you have?).

Threads and sub-threads on DPR's
editorial policy have I high probability of getting pulled or locked.

I've not noticed that they do in any higher percentage than other
threads.

Maybe you've not been looking.

If this has already been moved, my guess is that it's only a matter
of time before it's pulled. As for the original thread, there seems
to be a level of political discussion that is not tolerated. I
engaged in a series of threads on the ethics of erotic photography,
that ended up with threads being pulled and me being banned, even
though it was hard to find anything objectionable in the content of
the threads themselves. British security policy would seem to be
another touchy area. I have a theory that there's some intersection
between Phil Askey's belief set and the requirements of the Singapore
government (where I believe DPR is hosted:
http://www.beesker.com/digital-cameras.asp ) which is not known for
its liberal attitude on many issues.

But they are known for hosting dang near anything, no questions asked

Really?

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bobn2
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Re: Thread closed or what ?? Maybe to me only ?

Simon Joinson wrote:

bobn2 wrote:

I have a theory that there's some intersection
between Phil Askey's belief set and the requirements of the Singapore
government (where I believe DPR is hosted:
http://www.beesker.com/digital-cameras.asp ) which is not known for
its liberal attitude on many issues.
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Bob

Wrong.
Sj

I'm quite willing to believe my theory is wrong, it's based on pure speculation and circumstantial evidence. However, when DPR's policy appears so haphazard, and based on little logic, one has to speculate.
BTW, which is wrong, PA's belief set or being hosted in Singapore?

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Phil Askey
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Re: Thread closed or what ?? Maybe to me only ?

It's a conspiracy I tells yah

bobn2 wrote:

G. Gray wrote:

I tried to open the thread in the news discussion forum.
"Brits get even more state-controlled cameras poin... NEW Jim Carney"
But, can't open it. I can open a thread on either side.
Also if I click on the name Jim Carney as listed in the news
discussion forum, all I get is my thread listings, but not all. It
seems that my last postings to the thread I tried to open have been
removed. My postings are polite without antagonism or namecalling.
I assume somebody has hit the complaint button ?
Does anyone have an explanation ? Has anyone else been removed from
this thread?
thankyou
Gerry

There is a lot of thread locking/pulling going on. It is very
difficult to fathom out the motivation behind the DPR editorial
policy. Certainly, very abusive content seems to be fine, and can go
without removal or locking. Threads and sub-threads on DPR's
editorial policy have I high probability of getting pulled or locked.
If this has already been moved, my guess is that it's only a matter
of time before it's pulled. As for the original thread, there seems
to be a level of political discussion that is not tolerated. I
engaged in a series of threads on the ethics of erotic photography,
that ended up with threads being pulled and me being banned, even
though it was hard to find anything objectionable in the content of
the threads themselves. British security policy would seem to be
another touchy area. I have a theory that there's some intersection
between Phil Askey's belief set and the requirements of the Singapore
government (where I believe DPR is hosted:
http://www.beesker.com/digital-cameras.asp ) which is not known for
its liberal attitude on many issues.
--
Bob

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DPR staff responses not very enlightening

Phil Askey wrote:

It's a conspiracy I tells yah

Rather, they are mocking. I would expect better.

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Re: DPR staff responses not very enlightening

mamallama wrote:

Phil Askey wrote:

It's a conspiracy I tells yah

Rather, they are mocking. I would expect better.

Anytime and anyplace where people do not have to account for their actions - there will be abuse.

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G. Gray
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Re: Thread closed or what ?? Maybe to me only ?

Hey Phil, you gave me a laugh.
I found your answer amusing.
Gerry

Phil Askey wrote:
It's a conspiracy I tells yah

bobn2 wrote:

G. Gray wrote:

I tried to open the thread in the news discussion forum.
"Brits get even more state-controlled cameras poin... NEW Jim Carney"
But, can't open it. I can open a thread on either side.
Also if I click on the name Jim Carney as listed in the news
discussion forum, all I get is my thread listings, but not all. It
seems that my last postings to the thread I tried to open have been
removed. My postings are polite without antagonism or namecalling.
I assume somebody has hit the complaint button ?
Does anyone have an explanation ? Has anyone else been removed from
this thread?
thankyou
Gerry

There is a lot of thread locking/pulling going on. It is very
difficult to fathom out the motivation behind the DPR editorial
policy. Certainly, very abusive content seems to be fine, and can go
without removal or locking. Threads and sub-threads on DPR's
editorial policy have I high probability of getting pulled or locked.
If this has already been moved, my guess is that it's only a matter
of time before it's pulled. As for the original thread, there seems
to be a level of political discussion that is not tolerated. I
engaged in a series of threads on the ethics of erotic photography,
that ended up with threads being pulled and me being banned, even
though it was hard to find anything objectionable in the content of
the threads themselves. British security policy would seem to be
another touchy area. I have a theory that there's some intersection
between Phil Askey's belief set and the requirements of the Singapore
government (where I believe DPR is hosted:
http://www.beesker.com/digital-cameras.asp ) which is not known for
its liberal attitude on many issues.
--
Bob

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Re: DPR staff responses not very enlightening

Bill Randall wrote:

WSSA Member #281 on 04-23-09

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Re: Thread closed or what ?? Maybe to me only ?

Simon Joinson wrote:

bobn2 wrote:

BTW, which is wrong, PA's belief set or being hosted in Singapore?

Both
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Re: DPR staff responses not very enlightening

Phil Askey wrote:

Ditto
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