f30zoom vs f200exr (exr sn) on iso800 and above

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learning_photography Regular Member • Posts: 229
f30zoom vs f200exr (exr sn) on iso800 and above

1st of all, "exr sn" of f200exr produces 6mp and f30zoom is a 6mp camera, it is fair to compare them ;).

f200exr iso 800 exr sn (6mp):

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/F200EXR/FULLRES/F200EXRhSL_SN_I0800.HTM

f30zoom iso 800 (6mp):

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/F30/FULLRES/F30hSLI0800.HTM

take a look at the black cloth's patterns on the left, u will notice that f200exr blurred the patterns until virtually non existant but f30zoom retain it although a bit softer than its iso 100.

f200exr iso 1600 exr sn (6mp):

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/F200EXR/FULLRES/F200EXRhSL_SN_I1600.HTM

f30zoom iso 1600 (6mp):

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/F30/FULLRES/F30hSLI1600.HTM

this time u will notice that f200exr will "makes" the black cloth totally black without any patterns but f30zoom still retains a rather soft but visible patterns on the black cloth.

there are stronger noise reduction evidence on the f30zoom compared to its lower isos. but based on the above findings, it still produces better details compared to the f200exr which has less noise reduction and with "exr sn".

correct me if i'm wrong, my assumption is, the black cloth can be somehow "used" to represent dark areas. if one is to be picky about low light details, f30zoom is a better choice compared to f200exr.

well, of course, f200exr has much better features like dr 800%, etc, but i'm just pointing out that f30zoom still fares better at high isos fyi, i didn't own a f30zoom (i wish i did!) and was eager to buy f200exr but bumped into imaging-resource.com and hope to share with u all on my findings.

if anyone interested, shall take a look at lx3 samples at imaging-resource, lx3 does very well on the black cloth's patterns too:

iso800: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/LX3/FULLRES/LX3hSLI0800.HTM
iso1600: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/LX3/FULLRES/LX3hSLI1600.HTM

EXR Senior Member • Posts: 1,437
Re: f30zoom vs f200exr (exr sn) on iso800 and above
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Well I actually see more detail on the F200, especially on the filaments on the right side and more NR on the F30. Overal there is not much to choose between this 2.

Joel Stern
Joel Stern Forum Pro • Posts: 10,926
Re: f30zoom vs f200exr (exr sn) on iso800 and above

i though that the F 200 did show both more noise and more detail....it was more real (I have an F30)

zygh
zygh Senior Member • Posts: 1,798
Re: f30zoom vs f200exr (exr sn) on iso800 and above

I wouldn't exactly call the 200EXR output as "noisy", much more like "grainy" which is much more pleasing than the soft touch of the 30. There is definitely more detail in the EXR, though grainier. I have the 31fd, it's good and I like it. The 200EXR is, however, quite a piece of work.

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Anastasios Papatsoris
Anastasios Papatsoris New Member • Posts: 14
Re: f30zoom vs f200exr (exr sn) on iso800 and above

Well, your findings come to no surprise at all. The F30 performs better at higher ISOs, despite the F200's clever pixel grouping in its SN mode. To my opinion the F30/F31fd remains the low light champion and the perfect social camera. In a previous post I was making exactly this point when suggesting 'Why you should keep your F30/F31'.

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rax Regular Member • Posts: 413
Quite correct assessment, but...

don't forget, we're really pixel peeping here.
Step back 20-30% or print up to 8x10 and you won't be able see any difference.

However, having said that, if you already have a F3x, then the F200 is not for you... unless you really need to have 5x zoom with 28mm WA, wide DR capability, or IS.

Joel Stern
Joel Stern Forum Pro • Posts: 10,926
Re: Quite correct assessment, but...

rax wrote:

don't forget, we're really pixel peeping here.
Step back 20-30% or print up to 8x10 and you won't be able see any
difference.

However, having said that, if you already have a F3x, then the F200
is not for you... unless you really need to have 5x zoom with 28mm
WA, wide DR capability, or IS.

or consider a recoh cx1, i am.

Russ Yost Senior Member • Posts: 1,534
Re: f30zoom vs f200exr (exr sn) on iso800 and above

learning_photography wrote:

1st of all, "exr sn" of f200exr produces 6mp and f30zoom is a 6mp
camera, it is fair to compare them ;).

f200exr iso 800 exr sn (6mp):

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/F200EXR/FULLRES/F200EXRhSL_SN_I0800.HTM

f30zoom iso 800 (6mp):

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/F30/FULLRES/F30hSLI0800.HTM

take a look at the black cloth's patterns on the left, u will notice
that f200exr blurred the patterns until virtually non existant but
f30zoom retain it although a bit softer than its iso 100.

f200exr iso 1600 exr sn (6mp):

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/F200EXR/FULLRES/F200EXRhSL_SN_I1600.HTM

f30zoom iso 1600 (6mp):

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/F30/FULLRES/F30hSLI1600.HTM

this time u will notice that f200exr will "makes" the black cloth
totally black without any patterns but f30zoom still retains a rather
soft but visible patterns on the black cloth.

Pattern is clearly visible on my monitor.

But thiis scene doesn't seem suited for resolution testing since the objects are at varying distances from the camera - thus some objects will be out of focus!

there are stronger noise reduction evidence on the f30zoom compared
to its lower isos. but based on the above findings, it still produces
better details compared to the f200exr which has less noise reduction
and with "exr sn".

correct me if i'm wrong, my assumption is, the black cloth can be
somehow "used" to represent dark areas. if one is to be picky about
low light details, f30zoom is a better choice compared to f200exr.

I prefer to shoot in a dark closet with lens poked into sleeve of a black sweater to block light from the LCD. The result is the noise generated by the camera. Visit my galleries so see results for several Fuji cameras. But currently I have neither of the two cameras discussed here.

well, of course, f200exr has much better features like dr 800%, etc,
but i'm just pointing out that f30zoom still fares better at high
isos fyi, i didn't own a f30zoom (i wish i did!) and was eager to
buy f200exr but bumped into imaging-resource.com and hope to share
with u all on my findings.

if anyone interested, shall take a look at lx3 samples at
imaging-resource, lx3 does very well on the black cloth's patterns
too:

iso800:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/LX3/FULLRES/LX3hSLI0800.HTM
iso1600:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/LX3/FULLRES/LX3hSLI1600.HTM

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Galleries at http://www.pbase.com/russ

EXR Senior Member • Posts: 1,437
Re: f30zoom vs f200exr (exr sn) on iso800 and above

Russ Yost wrote:

I prefer to shoot in a dark closet with lens poked into sleeve of a
black sweater to block light from the LCD. The result is the noise
generated by the camera.

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That would only be valid without NR.

Russ Yost Senior Member • Posts: 1,534
Re: f30zoom vs f200exr (exr sn) on iso800 and above

EXR wrote:

Russ Yost wrote:

I prefer to shoot in a dark closet with lens poked into sleeve of a
black sweater to block light from the LCD. The result is the noise
generated by the camera.

Right! The result includes the effects of in-camera NR.

For resolution (acuity - fine detail) testing, the subject must be entirely within the DOF, such as a flat chart and attention paid to focussing.

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Russell
Galleries at http://www.pbase.com/russ

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