The end of the DA line?

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ngap Senior Member • Posts: 1,860
The end of the DA line?

Looking at the new lens roadmap, there has been no new lenses added and it ends in Spring 2009

DLBlack Forum Pro • Posts: 14,817
Re: The end of the DA line?

Either the end of the DA line or Hoya doesn't release information too far ahead any longer.

The DA*30 has and TC has both been removed.

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janneman02 Forum Pro • Posts: 15,733
Not good

ngap wrote:

Looking at the new lens roadmap, there has been no new lenses added
and it ends in Spring 2009

There is currently no roadmap on the Pentax.jp website...
Unfortunately there is no wide fast DA* lens on the roadmap you show here....
Not even a wide fast DA...
And the converter is gone...
This is not good news

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janneman02 Forum Pro • Posts: 15,733
Re: The end of the DA line?

DLBlack wrote:

Either the end of the DA line or Hoya doesn't release information too
far ahead any longer.

The DA*30 has and TC has both been removed.

and very few, too few, new developments. this is dissapointing

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OP ngap Senior Member • Posts: 1,860
Re: Not good

janneman02 wrote:

ngap wrote:

Looking at the new lens roadmap, there has been no new lenses added
and it ends in Spring 2009

There is currently no roadmap on the Pentax.jp website...
Unfortunately there is no wide fast DA* lens on the roadmap you show
here....
Not even a wide fast DA...
And the converter is gone...
This is not good news

I can see it be for three reasons:
Hoya doesn't want to release too much detail too far ahead
OR

Hoya has said the range is big enough and we are taking money away from lens development
OR
A new range is going to be anounced, that will fit a smaller or larger format

steephill Veteran Member • Posts: 9,861
DA15

At least the DA15 is still there in spite of threads which said it was to be dropped. Although I doubt we will see it by the end of March 2009!

Pity about the teleconverter dropping out.

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janneman02 Forum Pro • Posts: 15,733
three things

ngap wrote:

janneman02 wrote:

ngap wrote:

Looking at the new lens roadmap, there has been no new lenses added
and it ends in Spring 2009

There is currently no roadmap on the Pentax.jp website...
Unfortunately there is no wide fast DA* lens on the roadmap you show
here....
Not even a wide fast DA...
And the converter is gone...
This is not good news

I can see it be for three reasons:
Hoya doesn't want to release too much detail too far ahead

True, but it causes some douibts on the future. And what is worse, I might now be tempted to buy one of the fast wide primes made by Sigma, even though they are not sealed...

OR
Hoya has said the range is big enough and we are taking money away
from lens development

Bad idea.... While the range is rather big, a few relative heap primes like the FA series, are needed (unless they continue with them), a fairly wide fast prime, maybe also longer fast -prime and a medium range (17-70 like) sealed zoom.

OR
A new range is going to be anounced, that will fit a smaller or
larger format

Interesting

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Roland Mabo Forum Pro • Posts: 12,462
Re: The end of the DA line?

Nothing to worry about.

Pentax always gets criticized in this forum about not delivering. Remember the fiasco with the 200, 300 and 60-250 in the roadmaps? We have had many postings about those. So therefore they have shortened the roadmap, in an answer to the criticism about telling too much about future products that are to long ahead.

And of course Pentax is getting critic for this. Pentax always gets bashed in this forum, regardless of what they do.

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OP ngap Senior Member • Posts: 1,860
Re: The end of the DA line?

Roland did you look at the date on the roadmap?

It is the new one being issued now March 3 2009. It was taken from the Pentax site but has now been pull down until the official start of PMA.

The old roadmaps have all gone for more than half a year. Take off your Pentax colored glasses

Roland Mabo wrote:

You may not be aware of the fact that Pentax releases new lens
roadmaps twice a year, in spring and fall. The roadmaps doesn't go
longer than half a year, it is normal.

It is now time to replace the old roadmap with the new roadmap, I
expect this new roadmap to be released at the PMA-showin a few days.

Roland Mabo Forum Pro • Posts: 12,462
Re: Not good

TC will come but it is still in development, and without a firm release date. That is why it isn't part of the roadmap. This shows a change in policy. Now Pentax can't get criticism about telling things too long ahead.

Instead they get criticism about not telling things too long ahead.
Oh, I'm getting really tired of this forum...

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janneman02 Forum Pro • Posts: 15,733
Re: The end of the DA line?

ngap wrote:

Roland did you look at the date on the roadmap?

It is the new one being issued now March 3 2009. It was taken from
the Pentax site but has now been pull down until the official start
of PMA.

Maybe too early, maybe this is a worng one!!!!

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Roland Mabo Forum Pro • Posts: 12,462
Re: The end of the DA line?

Nothing to worry about.

Pentax always gets criticized in this forum about not delivering. Remember the fiasco with the 200, 300 and 60-250 in the roadmaps? We have had many postings about those. So therefore they have shortened the roadmap, in an answer to the criticism about telling too much about future products that are to long ahead.

And of course Pentax is getting critic for this. Pentax always gets bashed in this forum, regardless of what they do.

I don't wear Pentax coloured glasses.
I have contact lenses. And they are made by Bausch-Lomb, not Hoya/Pentax at all.
So I don't understand what you mean.
Oh, and they are not tinted. Plain natural.

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janneman02 Forum Pro • Posts: 15,733
Re: Not good

Roland Mabo wrote:

TC will come but it is still in development, and without a firm
release date. That is why it isn't part of the roadmap. This shows a
change in policy. Now Pentax can't get criticism about telling things
too long ahead.

So what about the "long telezoom"...?

Instead they get criticism about not telling things too long ahead.
Oh, I'm getting really tired of this forum...

If this is what is to come in the next six months it will be too little too late.

They should have been further in development with converter and DA*30/fast. If it appears on the autumn roadmap I am quite sure I won't see the DA*30/fast before Feruary 14th 2010, when Carnaval starts!!!!!

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sfa1966 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,474
Re: Not good

Roland Mabo wrote:

This shows a
change in policy.

Does it really? How do you know? Why don't they tell us of the policy change? Nothing to lose after all, and it would serve to deflect the criticism which you allude to in your next sentence

Now Pentax can't get criticism about telling things
too long ahead.

Em ... but it can be remarked on if they've dropped a lens they were previously promising, surely; which (other than your unproven "policy change") we simply don't know, do we??

Instead they get criticism about not telling things too long ahead.

If that's what they are doing - which we don't know.

Oh, I'm getting really tired of this forum...

Me too. Far too much vaporware company "policy" being trotted out. Give us a link to the written policy.

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DLBlack Forum Pro • Posts: 14,817
Re: Not good

If there is a change in policy for information on the Lens Roadmap and releasing information too far ahead, why is the "super-telephoto" still on the Lens Roadmap.

Dave

sfa1966 wrote:

Roland Mabo wrote:

This shows a
change in policy.

Does it really? How do you know? Why don't they tell us of the policy
change? Nothing to lose after all, and it would serve to deflect the
criticism which you allude to in your next sentence

Now Pentax can't get criticism about telling things
too long ahead.

Em ... but it can be remarked on if they've dropped a lens they were
previously promising, surely; which (other than your unproven "policy
change") we simply don't know, do we??

Instead they get criticism about not telling things too long ahead.

If that's what they are doing - which we don't know.

Oh, I'm getting really tired of this forum...

Me too. Far too much vaporware company "policy" being trotted out.
Give us a link to the written policy.

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falsepositive Forum Member • Posts: 89
Re: The end of the DA line?

A business' communication to their customers and/or the potential market should not be taken lightly. Microsoft lost credibility in the marketplace when they make lame announcements about operating system release dates. Soon their customers began to ignore announcements altogether and brand excitement has diminished.

Roland says "Pentax always gets bashed in this forum, regardless of what they do." I believe that it's more accurate to say that:

  • Pentax should get bashed on this forum because of what they do.-

I am here because of loyalty to this brand since I was a kid. I feel I'm holding up my end of the bargain between the brand and myself. Pentax does not have to make me happy with every turn they take. Just do what they say they're going to do...I'm holding them to it and I'm making purchasing decisions based on this input. However, don't solve a problem living up to commitments by not communicating at all. I think that's at the heart of the issue here.

Dave

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We're only missing

A long optoon, say a 150-400 or something like that.

Then they casn go back and fix the problems with the current lenses

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lol101 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,855
Re: The end of the DA line?

No but maybe the end of the roadmap!!

Given how secretive Hoya is about new products (and hoping it is just not because there are no new products...), I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped the roadmap alltogether.

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Re: We're only missing

Alfisti wrote:

A long optoon, say a 150-400 or something like that.

Plus, a long macro (say 180mm);
Plus, an ultra-wide zoom (11-16);
Plus, a fixed but pocketable 'pancake' fisheye 17mm F4 (limited!?);
Plus, a tilt-shift for APS-C (assuming the physics allows)

Oh and the TC would be nice, if they are still thinking of it.

Then they casn go back and fix the problems with the current lenses

Maybe (sense of humor failure) I am misreading your winky at the end of your message, but I really think that they are mostly fixed.

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janneman02 Forum Pro • Posts: 15,733
Re: The end of the DA line?

lol101 wrote:

No but maybe the end of the roadmap!!

Given how secretive Hoya is about new products (and hoping it is just
not because there are no new products...), I wouldn't be surprised if
they dropped the roadmap alltogether.

That would make people like me opt for for example the fast and wide sigma primes, and then be annoyed if these DA8 lenses do come out.

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