F200EXR 1600 ISO blog post with crops etc ...

Kim Letkeman wrote:

I've downloaded the 12mp and 6mp images from DC Impress and produced
crops and processed versions (with and without Neat Image) to compare
them and see how good they can look.

Bottom line ... probably the best social snapshooter in years.

http://kimletkeman.blogspot.com/2009/02/fuji-f200exr-at-1600-iso.html

Here's the album from which the images come ...

http://letkeman.net/Photos/f200exr1600iso

Kim,

I have an F31fd, and it's quite amazing - with one reservation:

Even in bright light at 100 ISO too much noise reduction damage is done - can't get definition in fine detail areas such as dill spikes, tree clumps, grass, etc. resulting in fuzzy cotton ball appearance. It would be very nice if Fuji could allow the user to select less aggressive NR in such subjects. If that results in some grain, so be it.
Do you think they might be influenced by users to do this?

Harry Linssen

PS I am spoiled by the detail an non rubbed-out looking images from my Sigmas.

Of course they'll be influenced by us...when monkeys fly outta my a_s.

The NR is for sure influenced by user. Normal users choose smooth with less details (it is hard to find out as they seldom look at details at 100%) than more grains (it is more easy to be seen if there are noises).

Normal users don't care the details of something like hairs. Therefore, they may not look at those areas even they enlarge the photo to 100%.

Harry Linssen wrote:

Kim Letkeman wrote:

I've downloaded the 12mp and 6mp images from DC Impress and produced
crops and processed versions (with and without Neat Image) to compare
them and see how good they can look.

Bottom line ... probably the best social snapshooter in years.

http://kimletkeman.blogspot.com/2009/02/fuji-f200exr-at-1600-iso.html

Here's the album from which the images come ...

http://letkeman.net/Photos/f200exr1600iso

Kim,

I have an F31fd, and it's quite amazing - with one reservation:

Even in bright light at 100 ISO too much noise reduction damage is
done - can't get definition in fine detail areas such as dill spikes,
tree clumps, grass, etc. resulting in fuzzy cotton ball appearance.
It would be very nice if Fuji could allow the user to select less
aggressive NR in such subjects. If that results in some grain, so be
it.
Do you think they might be influenced by users to do this?

Harry Linssen

PS I am spoiled by the detail an non rubbed-out looking images from
my Sigmas.

Rockchan wrote:

The NR is for sure influenced by user. Normal users choose smooth
with less details (it is hard to find out as they seldom look at
details at 100%) than more grains (it is more easy to be seen if
there are noises).

Normal users don't care the details of something like hairs.
Therefore, they may not look at those areas even they enlarge the
photo to 100%.

Absolutely! You nailed it 100% with your comments.

But I think Fujifilm should quickly launch this sensor in as many other camera bodies as fast as they can. The competition will soon catch up. Every month counts. This is why those who have been tracking companies for a long time know that companies who are slow in their offerings eventually get trodden upon by the more nimble footed companies who can quickly fill up the vacuum created by others.

Much of it depends on what you want or expect the camera to do. It will never be an SLR, not even a bad one. It isn't a premium resolution daylight shooter like the G10, but what it can be is a better indoor no flash shooter than the F30/31.

Remember, the F30/31 are the best compact high ISO cameras ever put together and with today's IS, fast glass and "only" going to ISO 6400 a top Canon or Nikon dSLR is eight or maybe nine stops better......., so keep it in perspective.
--
Just Marty F31fd G10 5DMkII

http://picasaweb.google.com/midareff/PhotographsAndMemories#

MartyG9 wrote:

Much of it depends on what you want or expect the camera to do. It
will never be an SLR, not even a bad one. It isn't a premium
resolution daylight shooter like the G10, but what it can be is a
better indoor no flash shooter than the F30/31.

Remember, the F30/31 are the best compact high ISO cameras ever put
together and with today's IS, fast glass and "only" going to ISO 6400
a top Canon or Nikon dSLR is eight or maybe nine stops better.......,
so keep it in perspective.
--

I think the point Kim is making..

Is that fuji are not really "listening" to their users/potential buyers. I will reserve judgement until more stuff shows up, it's not looking bad, but it's not blowing any socks off either..not yet.

Marketing is one thing, reality is another, lets see what it can do, if it has really good DR, that's a pretty big appeal.

But why do fuji put their earplugs in? We still have no histogram (which is criminal in this price range, heck it should be in all compacts), no raw (so you either like or lump the fuji jpeg processing), they have not gone back the the damn good battery of the F31..

Why??

It's as if they have mildly warmed over the F series for a good bit now, doing not very much at all with it..the asks are still there, not addressed at all.

If it were not for this so called new swanky sensor (we will see if it's any good), there would be next to no interest at all.

MrClick wrote:

But I think Fujifilm should quickly launch this sensor in as many
other camera bodies as fast as they can. The competition will soon
catch up. Every month counts. This is why those who have been
tracking companies for a long time know that companies who are slow
in their offerings eventually get trodden upon by the more nimble
footed companies who can quickly fill up the vacuum created by others.

Well I hope you are right about that because many of us said exactly this when the breakthrough F10 arrived. All Fuji did then was to squander a 2 year lead by trickling out clone versions of the F10. Even the E900 failed to capitalize on the that special 6mp sensor.

I hope the enthusiasts here get their wish with a G10/LX3/GX200 cruncher from Fuji, but don't hold your breath.

Nick

This is the first compact incorparating the new EXR sensor, so maybe we'll see some missing features in upcoming models?
May be they're going to resurrect E-series, that would be nice

Fuji will not offer a "The One" camera any more than any other manufacturer will. Ya gotta "keep 'em wanting more", or else no more sales. They'll always add two desirable features, and then take a different one away. Always has been. Always will be. Fuji's gig is "the sensor!", while the other manufacturers have "the features!".