Thom Hogan D3X review

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colofital New Member • Posts: 6
Thom Hogan D3X review
Patrick Love Senior Member • Posts: 1,692
Re: Thom Hogan D3X review

Solid review!

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OP colofital New Member • Posts: 6
Re: Thom Hogan D3X review
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Thom is an extremely knowledgeable reviewer of Nikon, but sometimes comes off as a little harsh in his criticisms. I kind of feel for their marketing and sales departments who have to run with whatever Japan decides to bring out.

There is a lot of pride (arrogance) in the Japanese engineering departments about their "babies", i.e. how well they will be received, and how much they're worth.

rhlpetrus Forum Pro • Posts: 25,859
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Good review, but the price issue colors the whole piece. And I think I miss 100% crops of landscape scenes with foliage and good DR, preferably with similar shots by A900 and 1DsIII (or 5DII), which is the bread and butter for this camera. The comparison with D3 is, well, not so interesting, the D3x at base ISO is much better in all aspects of IQ (except, possibly, DR, but that we have to wait, since Thom hasn't tested it carefully).

Anotehr interesting comparison would be with a P25 back or the 31MP Hassy. That's what everybody is waiting for. I saw a 1DsIII x P25 compariosn where the 1DsIII did a very good job (Luminous Landscape), and the D3x seems to have better IQ than 1DsIII.

So, good, but, IMO, not very useful for the crowd interested in this camera.
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Re: Thom Hogan D3X review

rhlpetrus wrote:

And I think
I miss 100% crops of landscape scenes with foliage and good DR,
preferably with similar shots by A900 and 1DsIII (or 5DII),

Have to wait until my camera is back from repair.

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rhlpetrus Forum Pro • Posts: 25,859
Re: Thom Hogan D3X review

Thom Hogan wrote:

rhlpetrus wrote:

And I think
I miss 100% crops of landscape scenes with foliage and good DR,
preferably with similar shots by A900 and 1DsIII (or 5DII),

Have to wait until my camera is back from repair.

I will, and if you can get hold of a 25-31MP MF camera to compare the D3x to, that would be wonderful!!
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Rumpis Veteran Member • Posts: 3,089
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Thanks for hint

colofital wrote:

http://www.bythom.com/nikond3xreview.htm

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OldMaster Senior Member • Posts: 1,813
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I think that says everything most thought..and I am pleased to see he has re-affirmed the laws of physics are still relevant and the D3x does not have "Better Noise" than the D3!!!

It was good to see the lens issues raised too! Interesting comments on resolution reduction for those landscapers that eschew PC lenses and just "stop it down more"!

I have also seen reviews where the D700 was clearly out-resolving the Sony 900 at 1600 asa. Much improved though the D3x is at this iso over the Sony..anything above and in real world resolution of detail, probably the D700/D3 is doing better!!

Work out how many superb lenses you could afford with the change?

photonut2008 Veteran Member • Posts: 4,547
Re: Thom Hogan D3X review

Thom Hogan wrote:

Have to wait until my camera is back from repair.

That doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the camera. What needed repairing?

Edit: Never mind, I see that it's a viewfinder alignment issue.

maljo@inreach.com Veteran Member • Posts: 7,676
I think he is right on the 'money' this tme...

For serious amateurs...

the D3X is too expensive for not quite enough.

I have the money set aside for a D3X and
the spousal green light, but,
its just not quite worth it to me.
I'll wait for the D700x also.

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Hans Giersberg Veteran Member • Posts: 3,938
Emphasis On Price Seems Appropriate

Good review, but the price issue colors the whole piece.

Price is coloring most people's perceptions of this camera - for better or worse - so an emphasis on price, or value, seems appropriate. Fantastic camera, but I can't count anymore how many people I've heard say they're going to sit this one out and wait for the D700X. I canceled my order with Robert's Imaging once I saw the price. And when I talked to the Robert's sale person, he indicated that a lot of their back order list had canceled on them. And finally, where I live (St. Louis), the local pro-oriented camera store has had a D3X on the shelf for several weeks with no takers. So it goes.

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rlopes Contributing Member • Posts: 892
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Thom,

As a D2Xs user, I find this comment very interesting:

"The D3x reminds me a lot of the D2x."

I know that you are referring to where the camera is at it's best, not the the cameras are of equal performance...But because I shoot mainly at ISO 100 with the D2X, I know exactly what you mean...

Your reference to some of the lenses performance on the D3X is also interesting...But as a user of the 70-200mm VR and in the context of landscape photography, what is Nikon doing about this with regards to it's performance of the D3X? Not much, it appears...

Really Right Stuff and Autopano Pro, just made themselves another customer...

Regards

Hans Giersberg Veteran Member • Posts: 3,938
D3X Isn't Targeting High ISO Shooters (nt)
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rhlpetrus Forum Pro • Posts: 25,859
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OldMaster wrote:

I think that says everything most thought..and I am pleased to see he
has re-affirmed the laws of physics are still relevant and the D3x
does not have "Better Noise" than the D3!!!

Sorry, but there were at least two RAW comparisons showing, at worse, D3x about same as D3 in high ISO noise.

Observe that Thom has mentioned he hasn't done RAW testing of DR, of course also not RAW testing of noise.

It was good to see the lens issues raised too! Interesting comments
on resolution reduction for those landscapers that eschew PC lenses
and just "stop it down more"!

I have also seen reviews where the D700 was clearly out-resolving the
Sony 900 at 1600 asa. Much improved though the D3x is at this iso
over the Sony..anything above and in real world resolution of detail,
probably the D700/D3 is doing better!!

A900 is in anopther (lower) league re noise in high ISO, both jpegs and RAW, as already showed here.

Thom says more than once that D3x has the best IQ of any dslr at present moment, and he says up to 1600ISO, not a small feat. Others have said up to 6400ISO, but of course the debate will go for ever on that.

The point is: if you need the best IQ for high quality images, landscape or studio, the D3x is the camea to have now, short of 20,000+ MF systems.

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dstefan Contributing Member • Posts: 934
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Thom says:

"But the D3x doesn't have the very expensive ADC components that the D3 does, so the non-sensor parts costs are probably pretty close to a wash."

What does this mean? I know what the ADC is, but can anyone explain the reasoning for using a (presumeably) lesser ADC? Or does less expensive not mean what it sounds like. What' lost over the D3 conversion?

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attaway2 Regular Member • Posts: 111
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Excellent review, especially concerning the trade-offs with the 24 mp sensor (diffraction above f8, shadow noise above base iso). Seems like a good camera for the sort of pros who used to shoot wildlife with mf gear.

I really wish Nikon would come out with an 18 mp full frame sensor in the D700x instead of this one.
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rhlpetrus Forum Pro • Posts: 25,859
Re: Emphasis On Price Seems Appropriate

Hans Giersberg wrote:

Good review, but the price issue colors the whole piece.

Price is coloring most people's perceptions of this camera - for
better or worse - so an emphasis on the price, or value, seems
appropriate. Fantastic camera, but I can't count anymore how many
people I've heard say they're going to sit this one out and wait for
the D700X. I canceled my order with Robert's Imaging once I saw the
price. And where I live (St. Louis), the local pro-oriented camera
store has had a D3X on the shelf for several weeks with no takers. So
it goes.

What would be the price you'd have kept your order? 5,500, 6,000, ... ?

I'm curious. I for one wouldn't get a large body like D3/D3x, for any price, not my type of shooting, so, to me, price is not an issue, actually. But I understand that, if camera price is an issue, the 8,000USD price is a salty one.

Re the review, I think Thom spent too much on the price issue. It's beaten to death now. Get the facts, report of IQ issues, compare to a 25MP P25 back to see if Nikon claims to MF ability are true.

The price issue is not the main thing on a review like that, IMO, as Thom has made it. It takes from the review any pleasure of reading it. A final remark on value and competition would be enough.

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Hans Giersberg Veteran Member • Posts: 3,938
ADCs Are Built Into The Sony Sensor

The ADCs are part of the D3X sensor, not separate components as they are in the D3.

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Meggy Regular Member • Posts: 385
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Thom Hogan wrote:

Have to wait until my camera is back from repair.

Did you drop it whilst reading the instruction book?

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rhlpetrus Forum Pro • Posts: 25,859
Re: Thom Hogan D3X review

attaway2 wrote:

Excellent review, especially concerning the trade-offs with the 24 mp
sensor (diffraction above f8, shadow noise above base iso). Seems
like a good camera for the sort of pros who used to shoot wildlife
with mf gear.

I really wish Nikon would come out with an 18 mp full frame sensor in
the D700x instead of this one.
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LIkely we'll se a 16-18MP sensor first in a D4, then in the D800 (successor to D700), fast 14bit cameras like the D3/D700.

D700x will be like D3x, or not at all, Nikon won't produce/use too many sensors.

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