New D60, what lens (and other equip.) to get?

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emk35 New Member • Posts: 13
New D60, what lens (and other equip.) to get?

Hi there, I am new to this forum and also new to the world of DSLR. I had a Nikon SLR years ago that was sadly stolen before I was able to get too far along in the learning process. I was mostly using it to get action shots at equestrian events with limited knowledge of how to take a really good photo. I was just starting to try to learn more about photography when the camera was stolen. Being 20 at the time, going out and getting another one was just not an option. I have not had an SLR since. I would definitely consider myself a newbie to not only digital, but to photography in general, but I am looking forward to the learning process!

I have been wanting a digital SLR for a while now and am finally getting one! My husband is getting me a D60 for Christmas and I can't wait. I have read many posts all over the place, and was originally going to go with the D40. But then Ritz dropped the D60 price another $50 making it only $100 more. My husband decided with that small of an increase to just get me the D60 instead. So its been bought, I just have to wait a couple more weeks to use it.....

Now, my father has decided to get me an additional lens to go with it for my Christmas gift. I have been told by Ritz that if I bring my receipt in, they will discount the 55-200 VR lens that I could have gotten as a kit as if I did, which I believe is about $100 off the lens price. I am not sure if they would apply this if we chose a different lens. Originally I was just going to go with that 55-200 lens, but then my dad mentioned the 70-300 lens. I am looking for some feedback on the two. Any thoughts as to which is the better to go with?

Also, any other equipment I should be thinking about? Remote, flash, special filters, specific memory cards, etc.....

Thanks!

talmy
talmy Veteran Member • Posts: 3,320
Re: New D60, what lens (and other equip.) to get?

I've got the 70-300 VR and have tried out the 55-200 VR. The 70-300 VR is a much better lens. However...

In general it is better to wait and see what you need for your style of photography and then buy. You might find that for equestrian events you might really want the 70-200 F/2.8. Start saving now.

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gerryd04 Veteran Member • Posts: 8,123
Re: New D60, what lens (and other equip.) to get?

emk35 wrote:

Now, my father has decided to get me an additional lens to go with it
for my Christmas gift. I have been told by Ritz that if I bring my
receipt in, they will discount the 55-200 VR lens that I could have
gotten as a kit as if I did, which I believe is about $100 off the
lens price. I am not sure if they would apply this if we chose a
different lens. Originally I was just going to go with that 55-200
lens, but then my dad mentioned the 70-300 lens. I am looking for
some feedback on the two. Any thoughts as to which is the better to
go with?

Hey if dad wants to buy it the extra reach will be great for your equestrian shots, make sure he is talking about the VR AFS version

Also, any other equipment I should be thinking about? Remote, flash,
special filters, specific memory cards, etc.....

Just get a few memory cards, 2 gig at least, and rotate use. A memory card reader if you do not have one and a bag.

The rest can wait till you see what you need, plenty of choice in flash so take the time to get the one you want. Remote is cheap but will you use it often ? kind of thing you use on a tripod, the self timer will do for the odd family shot.

Also think about the software side of the equation, post processing is half the job to a finished product.

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Humito Regular Member • Posts: 176
Re: New D60, what lens (and other equip.) to get?

I think that your other reply makes sense. I've had a D60 for about 3 months now and was thinking of the 55-200 VR but find that the 18-55VR does a lot of what I want and that I'm becoming increasingly interested in landscapes, shorelines and nautical bric-a-brac so, far from what I thought I'd want I will probably be best off with something like the Sigma 10-20.

Take the plunge to shoot in RAW, you wont regret it - far more control over exposure, white balance, dynamic range (Nikon's 'D-Lighting') etc. The only thing is that RAW files are big so buy a decent fast card - Sandisk 'Extreme III' 2Gb can be had very cheap now and would be plenty to get you going.

Perhaps rather than plumb for a lens when you might not know quite what you want you should go for some decent software which you certainly will need. I personally wouldn't muck about with 'Lightroom' etc - it's all too 'snapshot'. You can probably buy Nikon's 'CaptureNX' cheap now that it's been superceeded by Capture....whatever.

If you have the simoleons, then get Adobe's Crative Suite 3 (CS3) but it's a bit of a learnng curve and I find that Capture is quick and easy and does most of the time. CS3 for special projects and studio stuff for me. I bought Capture 2nd hand via ebay for about $100.

Can't help you on the flash - always found the camera's does all I want.

You might give thought to a good quality (B+W, Hoya pro) protective filter. Don't buy cheap - it's not worth it and you'll end up taking the filter of anyway (voice of experience!)

Hope that Helps

Best, Kevin

jp34med3 Contributing Member • Posts: 884
Re: New D60, what lens (and other equip.) to get?

I got the D60 as a second camera to my D300 and couldn't be more pleased. Love the size and features and most of the time can't tell the photos from the two apart. I use the 70-300vr from my D300 with it and have found that a great lens. I haven't used the 55-200 but from reviews have found people prefer/find better results with the longer lens. I got some 4gb cards from BestBuy when they had a special on a 2 pack - gives over 300 pics per card and got a second larger capacity battery off ebay for 10 bucks which works great. Also a card reader is much better than connecting the D60 to your PC/Mac.

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Re: New D60, what lens (and other equip.) to get?

emk35 wrote:

Hi there, I am new to this forum and also new to the world of DSLR.
I had a Nikon SLR years ago that was sadly stolen before I was able
to get too far along in the learning process. I was mostly using it
to get action shots at equestrian events with limited knowledge of
how to take a really good photo. I was just starting to try to learn
more about photography when the camera was stolen. Being 20 at the
time, going out and getting another one was just not an option. I
have not had an SLR since. I would definitely consider myself a
newbie to not only digital, but to photography in general, but I am
looking forward to the learning process!

I have been wanting a digital SLR for a while now and am finally
getting one! My husband is getting me a D60 for Christmas and I
can't wait. I have read many posts all over the place, and was
originally going to go with the D40. But then Ritz dropped the D60
price another $50 making it only $100 more. My husband decided with
that small of an increase to just get me the D60 instead. So its
been bought, I just have to wait a couple more weeks to use it.....

Now, my father has decided to get me an additional lens to go with it
for my Christmas gift. I have been told by Ritz that if I bring my
receipt in, they will discount the 55-200 VR lens that I could have
gotten as a kit as if I did, which I believe is about $100 off the
lens price. I am not sure if they would apply this if we chose a
different lens. Originally I was just going to go with that 55-200
lens, but then my dad mentioned the 70-300 lens. I am looking for
some feedback on the two. Any thoughts as to which is the better to
go with?

The 70-300VR is better built, larger and heavier. The 55-200VR is smaller and lighter. Both have very good image quality.

Also, any other equipment I should be thinking about? Remote, flash,
special filters, specific memory cards, etc.....

Thanks!

tmozer Regular Member • Posts: 172
Re: New D60, what lens (and other equip.) to get?

emk35 wrote:

Hi there, I am new to this forum and also new to the world of DSLR.
I had a Nikon SLR years ago that was sadly stolen before I was able
to get too far along in the learning process. I was mostly using it
to get action shots at equestrian events with limited knowledge of
how to take a really good photo. I was just starting to try to learn
more about photography when the camera was stolen. Being 20 at the
time, going out and getting another one was just not an option. I
have not had an SLR since. I would definitely consider myself a
newbie to not only digital, but to photography in general, but I am
looking forward to the learning process!

I have been wanting a digital SLR for a while now and am finally
getting one! My husband is getting me a D60 for Christmas and I
can't wait. I have read many posts all over the place, and was
originally going to go with the D40. But then Ritz dropped the D60
price another $50 making it only $100 more. My husband decided with
that small of an increase to just get me the D60 instead. So its
been bought, I just have to wait a couple more weeks to use it.....

Now, my father has decided to get me an additional lens to go with it
for my Christmas gift. I have been told by Ritz that if I bring my
receipt in, they will discount the 55-200 VR lens that I could have
gotten as a kit as if I did, which I believe is about $100 off the
lens price. I am not sure if they would apply this if we chose a
different lens. Originally I was just going to go with that 55-200
lens, but then my dad mentioned the 70-300 lens. I am looking for
some feedback on the two. Any thoughts as to which is the better to
go with?

Also, any other equipment I should be thinking about? Remote, flash,
special filters, specific memory cards, etc.....

Thanks!

I just purchased the D60 Kit from Ritz for $649. While I am (still) happy with the package/purchase, I was disappointed that the 55-200 Nikor lens included is not the VR model. Only the 18-55 lens was.
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OP emk35 New Member • Posts: 13
Re: New D60, what lens (and other equip.) to get?

Thanks to everyone for their replies, this is all very helpful.

I won't be taking too many equestrian shots at the moment as I am unable to ride these days. Hopefully some day in the future again, but I won't worry about that right now. So, a few questions.....

Do you think I would miss the gap between 55 and 70 if I were to bump up to the 70-300, or is this something I wouldn't really notice?

For post processing, I have Photoshop Elements and Picasa on my current computer already, I have used both for minor touch ups on images from my P&S. I do enjoy that aspect of photography, but have never used CS3 (or other version) so I have no idea of what it is capable of, nor how to use it! It is a rather expensive investment, one I cannot make right now, but is this something that I am going to need in the future?

A few mentioned a memory card reader. This is something you just plug into the computer to eliminate the step of connecting the camera itself? Is that really necessary? I am assuming it offers an advantage or it wouldn't have been suggested.

Also, I was planning on buying a couple of books to help me get started. Right now I was thinking about getting Scott Kelby's Digital Photography books and Understand Exposure (Bryan Peterson). Would anyone change those selections or add to them?

Thanks so much!

talmy
talmy Veteran Member • Posts: 3,320
Re: New D60, what lens (and other equip.) to get?

emk35 wrote:

Do you think I would miss the gap between 55 and 70 if I were to bump
up to the 70-300, or is this something I wouldn't really notice?

As one who used film SLRs with only prime lenses for over 30 years, my answer would be "no". You can often just "zoom with your feet" or crop afterward (which was an option not available with the slide film I used!).

For post processing, I have Photoshop Elements and Picasa on my
current computer already, I have used both for minor touch ups on
images from my P&S. I do enjoy that aspect of photography, but have
never used CS3 (or other version) so I have no idea of what it is
capable of, nor how to use it! It is a rather expensive investment,
one I cannot make right now, but is this something that I am going to
need in the future?

IMHO Elements does just fine. I've got CS3, though, because I got the educational discount, but I used Elements for years before that.

A few mentioned a memory card reader. This is something you just
plug into the computer to eliminate the step of connecting the camera
itself? Is that really necessary? I am assuming it offers an
advantage or it wouldn't have been suggested.

It's faster and doesn't drain the camera battery. If you get to the point where you are using multiple cards (lots of shots) it's also more convenient.

Also, I was planning on buying a couple of books to help me get
started. Right now I was thinking about getting Scott Kelby's
Digital Photography books and Understand Exposure (Bryan Peterson).
Would anyone change those selections or add to them?

I'm not familiar with those Scott Kelby books, but I have one of his on Photoshop. His style irritates alot of people, so just buy one and see how you feel.

OTOH, I can highly recommend Understanding Exposure. Excellent book.

If you have trouble figuring out your camera features, try the D60 version of the "Magic Lantern Guide". I prefer Thom Hogan's CD-based guides for thoroughness, but he hasn't completed his D60 guidebook yet.

A book that is good for the pure artistic aspects of photography is "Photography and the Art of Seeing: A Visual Perception Workshop for Film and Digital Photography" by Freeman Patterson.

Thanks so much!

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NowHearThis Veteran Member • Posts: 3,149
Answers.

emk35 wrote:

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Now, my father has decided to get me an additional lens to go with it
for my Christmas gift. I have been told by Ritz that if I bring my
receipt in, they will discount the 55-200 VR lens that I could have
gotten as a kit as if I did, which I believe is about $100 off the
lens price. I am not sure if they would apply this if we chose a
different lens. Originally I was just going to go with that 55-200
lens, but then my dad mentioned the 70-300 lens. I am looking for
some feedback on the two. Any thoughts as to which is the better to
go with?

Working for one of these Ritz affiliate stores, I know this: The 55-200mm VR can be discounted with the D40/D60, but the 70-300mm VR is only discounted with a D80/D90 purchase. And that (the 70-300mm VR) discount only runs through Dec 31st (At least that's what our promo signs say).

Now on the next part of your post: 55-200mm VR vs the 70-300mm VR.

Here's the pros/cons as I see them (which means you can take this with a grain of salt):
Nikon 55-200mm VR
Pros:
• Impressive image quality, even at the maximum apertures.
• Light-weight.
• Excellent value.
• Good, effective VR.
• Front lens element does not rotate. making special filters easy to use.
• AF-S, while not the "Pro" version, is silent and extremely accurate.

Cons:
• Plastic lens mount (I have had mine for ~ 18 months and it hasn't broken.)
• AF is fast but not as fast at the 70-300mm VR.
• Can't manually override focus w/o flipping switch on the lens to MF.

• No panning VR detection (Although I've done panning with my 55-200mm VR just fine) or Active VR Mode.
• DX lens. (Not a drawback for me, but worth mentioning.)

Nikon 70-300mm VR:
Pros:
• Impressive image quality through 200mm, still very good at 300mm.
• VR II is also impressive.
• Front lens element does not rotate. making special filters easy to use.
• Great value. USD$550 @ ritz, but bhphoto has it for $450 right now!!
• AF is quick, quiet, and accurate.
• FX lens, If I can call it that.
• Metal lens mount.
• Manual override of AF w/o having to flip a switch.

Cons:
• Nose heavy on a D60 (balances better on a D80/D90/D300 IMO).

• After shutter button push, VR seems to "jump" making your next shot framing off slightly. It's not by much, and it's not a deal breaker, just something that happens occassionally.

• Need to stop lens down to f/8 at 300mm for best image qualiyt results (sharpness, anyway).
• 67mm filters will cost you more. (not a "con" really, more of an FYI)

Now which would I buy? I've had the 55-200mm for a while, and optically it's the equal to the 70-300mm in it's range (except at 70mm, where the 70-300 beats mine hand down.) I think I'm now ready to upgrade though, but it's taken me while, because I've been so satisfied overall with the cheaper lens.

Here's a few shots with the 55-200mm VR, minimal PP on all the shots:

Also, any other equipment I should be thinking about? Remote, flash,
special filters, specific memory cards, etc.....

My list of other basic necessities include:

Flash (SB400 at least), with Eneloop batteries to power it, 1 or 2 extra EN-EL9 batteries for your D60, remotes are cheap so yes get one of those, good UV filters for each lens, fast SD memory cards (4 GB Sandisk Ultra III or 4 GB Lexar Pro 133x), get a lens pen, a microfiber cloth, a hurricane blower to blow dust/dirt out of the camera body..... I could go on and on for sure.

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NowHearThis Veteran Member • Posts: 3,149
Answers, part 2.

emk35 wrote:

Thanks to everyone for their replies, this is all very helpful.

I won't be taking too many equestrian shots at the moment as I am
unable to ride these days. Hopefully some day in the future again,
but I won't worry about that right now. So, a few questions.....

Do you think I would miss the gap between 55 and 70 if I were to bump
up to the 70-300, or is this something I wouldn't really notice?

IMO, no.

For post processing, I have Photoshop Elements and Picasa on my
current computer already, I have used both for minor touch ups on
images from my P&S. I do enjoy that aspect of photography, but have
never used CS3 (or other version) so I have no idea of what it is
capable of, nor how to use it! It is a rather expensive investment,
one I cannot make right now, but is this something that I am going to
need in the future?

The obvious answer is "yes, of course". However, define "the future". 5yrs, 10 yrs? I have Photoshop Elements 2.0, 6.0, Photoshop CS2, Lightroom, Picasa, Faststone's Image Viewer/Editor, Gimp,..... anyway, I use Elements 6.0 98% of the time, If I get feeling like I just want to play, I'll open up CS2 and mess around with Curves, but for what I do now, and what I'll be doing 5 yrs from now, Elements will work fine for me. I am planning on picking up Capture NX sometime next year though.

A few mentioned a memory card reader. This is something you just
plug into the computer to eliminate the step of connecting the camera
itself?

Yes, unfortunately the cheapest part of any camera is that stupid cover over the USB ports, so I don't recommend using the camera to download, personal preference.

Is that really necessary?
I am assuming it offers an advantage or it wouldn't have been suggested.

In general, pluging in a fast card into a memory card reader that is plugged into the USB 2.0 connection on you computer can decrease the time it takes for you to download the images off of your memory card; Which is a good thing.

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OP emk35 New Member • Posts: 13
Re: Answers.

Wow, thanks. I'm amazed at the time people on here have taken to help out, it's really great. I guess some of the decision on the lens will end up coming down to price, seeing as it's not totally my call. Sounds like I will enjoy either one though, and I'm sure I will be getting more lenses in the future!

I will plan on getting a memory card reader, a remote, a memory card (I think the Sandisk Extreme III?), and then look into getting a flash sometime soon (SB-400 or SB-600?). I will stick to my photoshop elements. Maybe if I actually get decent at this I can deal with upgrading that in the future.

The picture links don't seem to be working. Not sure if it's a setting on my end, but I'm not able to see them.

Ritz offers free photography classes with a camera purchase. Anyone have any thoughts on how good these are?

Now, if only the next 12 days would pass by so I can start learning and practicing!

MikeBeaty New Member • Posts: 13
Check out Costco

A friend of mine was looking at costco, and found the D60 kit with Both the 18-55 VR and the 55-200 VR for $699 at their online site. They also include a 1GB memory card and a Nikon camera bag for that price.

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NowHearThis Veteran Member • Posts: 3,149
Re: Answers.

emk35 wrote:

Wow, thanks. I'm amazed at the time people on here have taken to
help out, it's really great. I guess some of the decision on the
lens will end up coming down to price, seeing as it's not totally my
call. Sounds like I will enjoy either one though, and I'm sure I
will be getting more lenses in the future!

I will plan on getting a memory card reader, a remote, a memory card
(I think the Sandisk Extreme III?), and then look into getting a
flash sometime soon (SB-400 or SB-600?). I will stick to my
photoshop elements. Maybe if I actually get decent at this I can
deal with upgrading that in the future.

The picture links don't seem to be working. Not sure if it's a
setting on my end, but I'm not able to see them.

odd, but try these links instead.
http://picasaweb.google.com/NowHearThis.1/SmallTownRodeo#
http://picasaweb.google.com/NowHearThis.1/InCaptivity#

Ritz offers free photography classes with a camera purchase. Anyone
have any thoughts on how good these are?

I'm the instructor at one of them, in general, and depending on the instructor, yeah they're very good.

Now, if only the next 12 days would pass by so I can start learning
and practicing!

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Re: Check out Costco

MikeBeaty wrote:

A friend of mine was looking at costco, and found the D60 kit with
Both the 18-55 VR and the 55-200 VR for $699 at their online site.
They also include a 1GB memory card and a Nikon camera bag for that
price.

Sound like what we offer at my store, minus the memory card:

D60, 18-55 VR, 55-200mm VR, bag, 2 DVDs, same price or maybe we're less, I'll check today when I get in.
Plus they get a 12pg photo book, 2 sets of 9 photo classes, some free prints....

Check with Ritz.... odds are the D60 has come down a bit in price, either way, since you've bought it, they will price match for 30 days. The memory card that costco is offering is worth $10.75 on newegg. There's a Transcend 1 GB for $2.75. Memory cards are so cheap that throwing in a low speed memory card amounts to very little IMO. Not worth it in my opinion, you could get the 1GB 133x Pro card on newegg.com for $24. Stay with what you have, have Ritz, price match, and enjoy the classes they offer. BTW, you'll be much happier if you get a faster card, you'll probably save 10-15minutes each time you download.

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OP emk35 New Member • Posts: 13
Re: Check out Costco

I believe that is right. They told me if I wanted to come back in and get the lens at the same discount as if I had bought them all together it would equate to $100 off the lens. That should put the lens (55-200 VR) at $150, and I would get the camera bag, dvds etc. You can also get a free printer with rebate which I might do, not so much for photos but because my home printer broke recently and a free replacement sounds pretty nice....

If there's no discount on the 70-300 then that is quite a price difference considering I am just starting out. It might make more sense to stick to the 55-200 and then if down the road I find myself wanting more, I could deal with that then? I am supposed to go to ritz tomorrow morning again so I will look into it some more then I guess.

talmy
talmy Veteran Member • Posts: 3,320
Re: Check out Costco

Considering the circumstances, I think you are right to get the 55-200 and consider the 70-300, or maybe something else, later on.

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Parisis Senior Member • Posts: 2,277
Re: Check out Costco

Get the 55-200 lens .It is a better fit for the D60 size Wise and will be fine for shooting horses outdoors. See if Dad will let you use the savings for an Sb400 flash. You would have a nice setup that will last you a long time.

One thng , if I am reading your intentions wrong and you want to get into this hobby in a big way, I would take the D60 back and get the Nikon D80. they are blowing that ou for $579 at Ritz. It is a bigger camera so you might not like it as much but you might want to look at it.
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OP emk35 New Member • Posts: 13
Re: Check out Costco

Yeah, I hear ya on the D80. The thing is, this was a present that originally was supposed to be the D40, which was the camera I had picked within our budget and that I was completely happy with. The only reason it ended up the D60 was that ritz dropped the price again and my husband at that moment decided to just get that one instead. Upgrading to the next camera up is not an option, and I am happy with the camera I am getting. If down the road I end up wanting more functionality I can deal with that then, but for now, I am just starting out and am happy with the camera I am getting. Getting a second lens only came into the picture after this camera was already bought. My dad found out and thought I might enjoy an addition to what I am getting. I know a lot of people find the D40/60 limiting, but please remember that I am new to this. I am getting a nice present from my husband. If I continue to pursue this then any upgrades with the body can be dealt with in the future. I am pretty excited just to be getting the camera I am getting. From what I have read, there should be a lot that I can learn to do with it.....

Parisis Senior Member • Posts: 2,277
Re: Check out Costco

EMK,

Don't get me wrong , the D60 will not be limiting and is a great camera. You will have a ball with it. There are photos posted here from every Nikon DSLR that knock my socks off!

I had no intention of replacing my D50 until I saw how much the D80 had dropped and bought myself a 60th birthday present. This is a crazy market right now.

Enjoy your present and You can not go wrong with either lens. My Wife never lets me use my presents until Christmas morning. It kills me every year. She's got one of those ROKU boxes for watching Netflix movies hidden here some where and it's driving me crazy.
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