S100fs blurred photo's help

Started Oct 27, 2008 | Discussions
Lloydy
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Logic ? ...

... Only when it suits you to profess so.
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Lloydy
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Ted ...

... I have written a response to the OP asking for full size images.

Do I understand his particular problem ? No.

Does muck raking help the issue ? No.

I shall await his response.

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Kim Letkeman
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Re: Ted ...

Lloydy wrote:

... Common ground ? I would not call it that.

I will state the S100fs delivers. Is it perfect ? No.

Is it better than a whole lot of other proffered solutions ? Yes.

No. Not for weddings. Which was the subject that got your knickers twisted.

You use Malinda's example as the poster images on which you take your stand (I admit that they are far better than the samples prime posted) ...

But I'm sure even Malinda would be quite clear that the camera did an "acceptable" job under much less trying circumstances than a wedding for pay.

You can't stretch the meaning of Malinda's success any further than that ... it does not automatically make the camera appropriate to shoot weddings. And certainly cannot make it "better" than the other options.

Am I happy with it ? Yes.

Duh.

Are the vast majority of users happy with it ? Yes.

No ... some of the people who post here are not happy with it. That's why they ask about issues like CA and blur. Some of the users have quite publicly gotten rid of it.

You would be more accurate to say "Are the people who regularly post positive things about the camera happy with it?"

Does it have detractors ? Yes.

No. There are people on this site who are not blinded by carnal love for the camera. And if you will be honest with yourself for even a moment ... we only point out flaws when they are posted. Either as technically poor images or as hyperbole that demands an answer.

No one randomly posts bad things about the camera.

Who are the detractors ? Those who do not use it, or have not figured
out how to use it.

This is just baloney.

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Re: Logic ? ...

Lloydy wrote:

... Only when it suits you to profess so.

This is what I mean. Your response is utterly illogical. A lot of the time you post on pure emotion with nothing sensible to say.

That's why Ted and I find it easy to agree with each other. And we rarely do this explicitly, we just make the same arguments a lot of the time.

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Re: Bold ? ...

Lloydy wrote:

... I own the camera. I use the camera. I have stated I do not know
what the OP's issue really is as I cannot see original images.

Lie ? What is lying about that ?

Respond to the points I made ... you are like a slimy politician in here most of the time ... you post an entirely different statement and then ask "what's wrong with that?"

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tdkd13 Veteran Member • Posts: 9,410
Re: Ted ...

one note ....

Lloydy wrote:

... Common ground ? I would not call it that.

I will state the S100fs delivers. Is it perfect ? No.

Agreed

Is it better than a whole lot of other proffered solutions ? Yes.

Agreed

Am I happy with it ? Yes.

Goes without saying.

Are the vast majority of users happy with it ? Yes.

Agreed, but then the same can be said of almost every single camera on every single forum.

Does it have detractors ? Yes.

Nice choice of words as detractors has that ring of maiciousness to it, it helps further you and Greg's conspiracy theory.

Who are the detractors ? Those who do not use it, or have not figured
out how to use it.

For the sake of completeness you should add in the 113 review sites that said at least one "detractive" statement.

Are you so naive as to assume that the only people who say bad things about this camera have not used it or are not using it right? A rather oversimplified approach to things dont you think? I know it helps your world view to simply lump anyone who has said anything bad about the S100 into a group as its easier to discredit a group than to actually speak to any real facts, but it really does give the impression that you have a rather tenuous hold on reality.
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Lloydy
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Cut out the salient parts, Hey ...

... Kim you are always entertaining. Your headlines would sell papers, but the next day folk would feel extremely cheated.

You 'nip and tuck' to suit.

What I said was :

"... When so much 'flak' is in the air, it can be very difficult to decide what is worth - Or no.

I note, the flak comes from those who are non-users and the 'how do you fix' comes from those who use the camera regularly. Surprising ??

Ultimately, the OP has to decide 'how' to listen. Difficult choice. Comes down to two choices really.

1. I don't use the camera but I am an expert - Believe me, I know this camera's failings inside out.

2. I have the camera and have found this is the way to fix it's shortcomings. It's not perfect, but there are workarounds. I don't consider that it has failngs. Rather, I look at it's strengths.

Shame really, no-one seems particularly interested in what the OP's issue is, rather in how 'big' their answer is.

As they say in Thai - Khun Ham Chak Wao ! "

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Lloydy
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Carnal Love ?

... Kim, it is a tool.

Are you now saying that Malinda's images were - 'Just acceptable ?'

Not what I read before.

Anyway, all beside the point.

Just checked my knickers - They are surely not twisted.

The OP's issue is that the S100fs delivers blurred images. How does this relate to weddings ?

Do you have any realistic solution for the OP ?
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tdkd13 Veteran Member • Posts: 9,410
Re: Mick ...

http://public.fotki.com/snowwolf115/fuji-s100fs-v-casio/

Try and keep up Dave.

Ted

Lloydy wrote:

... Maybe I have missed something. I have yet to see a full-size
image. Can you post one, or direct me to where you have posted one ?
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Kim Letkeman
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Re: Carnal Love ?

Lloydy wrote:

... Kim, it is a tool.

Are you now saying that Malinda's images were - 'Just acceptable ?'

They were very nice. A few were truly excellent. But some were not. She mentioned she had some difficulty, which is to be expected when trying to use a knife in a gun fight. And it would have been worse under the pressure of pay.

Not what I read before.

You don't interpret anything you read through neutral glasses, so I don't think it matters what you "remember" ...

Anyway, all beside the point.

Just checked my knickers - They are surely not twisted.

If that were true, you would not be in a frenzy. They are most definitely twisted.

The OP's issue is that the S100fs delivers blurred images. How does
this relate to weddings ?

The wedding topic came up ... cjeck prime's messages to see that started. You can't change the point of a 40 message sub-thread just because you are taking a pounding.

Do you have any realistic solution for the OP ?

I am pretty sure I posted my opinions on what should be tried elsewhere in the thread.

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proof by repeated assertion?

No need to repost your text. And I saw nothing that was more "salient" the second time around.

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Lloydy
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Ted ...

tdkd13 wrote:

Who are the detractors ? Those who do not use it, or have not figured
out how to use it.

For the sake of completeness you should add in the 113 review sites
that said at least one "detractive" statement.
Are you so naive as to assume that the only people who say bad things
about this camera have not used it or are not using it right? A
rather oversimplified approach to things dont you think? I know it
helps your world view to simply lump anyone who has said anything bad
about the S100 into a group as its easier to discredit a group than
to actually speak to any real facts, but it really does give the
impression that you have a rather tenuous hold on reality.
Ted

... I admit I have not read all reviews. Rather, I am using and exploring the S100fs strengths.

Tenuous hold on reality ? I know it delivers and extremely well.

So, at the end of the day (throwaway statement) is that statement above, or below, the belt ? Is it slandering, demeaning, belittling, or a statement of fact ?

Sound bullying to me and certainly does you no favours.

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Kim Letkeman
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Re: Ted ...

Lloydy wrote:

CA/PF - Been done to death.

And still a major problem. Look at the ISO series of the mannequin on imaging resource ... the only cam I have found to show any CA is the S100fs. And it shows a lot of it ...

Soft - Never experienced it. I guess this is where I cannot help.

Sure you have. The whole velvia series is terribly soft. Saved only by posting at such small sizes.

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Lloydy
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So ...

... Are you agreeing with me ? Or, are you saying I should change my brand of knickers ?

Taking a pounding ? Kim, simply, do you have an answer for the OP's problem, other than - The S100fs is inadequate for weddings ?

I do not have an answer.
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Lloydy
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Kim ...

... In one breath you state the 'S100fs is probably the best out there'.

In another, you wish to (re), (re) hash an issue which is now a non-event for most users.

Your 'shrink' bills must be huge.
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Kim Letkeman
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Re: Kim ...

Lloydy wrote:

... Suffice to say, that Malindas images were good for an S100fs ?

They were ...

Malinda did her research and added light, which is the only way to shoot a wedding with a camera with such limited abilities as the light gets dim. She got some pretty good results. And some not so good ones.

The caveat "for an S100fs" says everything about the difference between a bridge cam and the camera type that is properly used to shoot a wedding ...

And note: this does not detract from the fact that the S100fs has the best high ISO in its class. So don't bother getting all emotional again ...

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Lloydy
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Thank you ...

... Until now, the logic of having a non-logical mind had illogically escaped me :
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Lloydy
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Ahem ...

... Please stick to the script. I stated :

"... I own the camera. I use the camera. I have stated I do not know what the OP's issue really is as I cannot see original images.

Lie ? What is lying about that ?"
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Lloydy
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Agree ...

... However, took you a long time to state it.
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Lloydy
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Maybe this will help ...

... Quote :

" ... Ultimately, the OP has to decide 'how' to listen. Difficult choice. Comes down to two choices really.

1. I don't use the camera but I am an expert - Believe me, I know this camera's failings inside out.

2. I have the camera and have found this is the way to fix it's shortcomings. It's not perfect, but there are workarounds. I don't consider that it has failings. Rather, I look at it's strengths ... "

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