Canon interview: 5D MkII AF

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Barnett Contributing Member • Posts: 929
Canon interview: 5D MkII AF

From the interview:

"And also there's some limitation with size; the AF sensor in the
50D is very big; the one in the 5D is much smaller. If we wanted
to have all cross-sensors in the 5D Mark II, it would mean we
might have to sacrifice the compactness of the body." - Masaya Maeda
(Canon Inc's Director and Chief Executive of Image Communication
Products Operations)

So there you have it. They gave us a lame AF sensor to keep the size down. I wonder how Nikon managed to get a 51-point, 15 cross-type AF sensor into the D700...

Barnett

PN Regular Member • Posts: 234
Re: Canon interview: 5D MkII AF

Barnett wrote:
From the interview:

"And also there's some limitation with size; the AF sensor in the
50D is very big; the one in the 5D is much smaller. If we wanted
to have all cross-sensors in the 5D Mark II, it would mean we
might have to sacrifice the compactness of the body." - Masaya Maeda
(Canon Inc's Director and Chief Executive of Image Communication
Products Operations)

So there you have it. They gave us a lame AF sensor to keep the size
down. I wonder how Nikon managed to get a 51-point, 15 cross-type AF
sensor into the D700...

It's a lie, of course. The true reason is to be searched in marketing strategies.

MM1 Senior Member • Posts: 1,504
Re: Canon interview: 5D MkII AF

PN wrote:

Barnett wrote:
From the interview:

"And also there's some limitation with size; the AF sensor in the
50D is very big; the one in the 5D is much smaller. If we wanted
to have all cross-sensors in the 5D Mark II, it would mean we
might have to sacrifice the compactness of the body." - Masaya Maeda
(Canon Inc's Director and Chief Executive of Image Communication
Products Operations)

So there you have it. They gave us a lame AF sensor to keep the size
down. I wonder how Nikon managed to get a 51-point, 15 cross-type AF
sensor into the D700...

It's a lie, of course. The true reason is to be searched in marketing
strategies.

My thoughts exactly. Unless, of course, the guy uncovered the biggest Canon AF secret - the brick like dimensions of 1D series are required by the huuuuuge 45 sensor AF array, and that would be the reason why it can't be fit into nongrip bodies!

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Skip M Veteran Member • Posts: 7,174
Mr. Maeda should be on Dancing With the Stars...

He showed so much skill in dancing around the questions posed to him. "No complaints" about the AF in the 5D? No room in the body of a 5D mkII, which is larger than the 50D, for the 50D's AF sensor? His answers on the G10's subsequent sensor development path took a limberness that is unexpected, even in an executive of his position. Sheesh.
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kgirls Regular Member • Posts: 390
Remember...

according to Canon "there have been NO complaints about the AF in the 5D."

I am sure no one on this forum has not heard any complaints either.

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MM1 Senior Member • Posts: 1,504
Re: Remember...

kgirls wrote:

according to Canon "there have been NO complaints about the AF in the
5D."

I am sure no one on this forum has not heard any complaints either.

He also said "with everyone saying it's very good." - perhaps every guy out of those five or twenty managers that report to him liked the AF, so in his ivory tower no one complained at all...

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OP Barnett Contributing Member • Posts: 929
NO complaints

kgirls wrote:

according to Canon "there have been NO complaints about the AF in the
5D."

I am sure no one on this forum has not heard any complaints either.

So Canon only improve things if they get lots of complaints? Considering the huge improvement in the imaging sensor (12MP to 21MP and even higher ISO) they must have had lots of complaints about the old 5D imaging sensor...

Barnett

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thx1138 Veteran Member • Posts: 7,162
Who exactly did they ask about the AF

Barnett wrote:
From the interview:

"And also there's some limitation with size; the AF sensor in the
50D is very big; the one in the 5D is much smaller. If we wanted
to have all cross-sensors in the 5D Mark II, it would mean we
might have to sacrifice the compactness of the body." - Masaya Maeda
(Canon Inc's Director and Chief Executive of Image Communication
Products Operations)

So there you have it. They gave us a lame AF sensor to keep the size
down. I wonder how Nikon managed to get a 51-point, 15 cross-type AF
sensor into the D700...

Barnett

People who never use AI servo I'm sure. Yes one shot is fine, but's all I can say.

OP Barnett Contributing Member • Posts: 929
Re: Who exactly did they ask about the AF

thx1138 wrote:

People who never use AI servo I'm sure. Yes one shot is fine, but's
all I can say.

They certainly did not ask me. One shot AF is fine as long as you do not try to use one of the outer AF points with fast primes.

Barnett

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Re: Canon interview: 5D MkII AF

Barnett wrote:
From the interview:

"And also there's some limitation with size; the AF sensor in the
50D is very big; the one in the 5D is much smaller. If we wanted
to have all cross-sensors in the 5D Mark II, it would mean we
might have to sacrifice the compactness of the body." - Masaya Maeda
(Canon Inc's Director and Chief Executive of Image Communication
Products Operations)

So there you have it. They gave us a lame AF sensor to keep the size
down. I wonder how Nikon managed to get a 51-point, 15 cross-type AF
sensor into the D700...

Barnett

Good point. The 50D body is smaller than the 5D MKII body, but it can house the 50D AF unit. Go figure.

The real reason is that Canon's marketing department tries to protect both the 50D and the 1DSMKIII sales from the 5DMKII by making it less wonderful a camera than it could have been. As it is, it will probably cause 1DSMKIII sales to fall off the cliff, despite the 5DMII being artificially slowed to 3.9 fps. Most 50D buyers cannot afford a 5DMKII anyway or they just wanted the longer reach with telephotos, so they are probably not in the market for a full frame. So Canon basically is just shooting itself in the foot by making the 5DMKII inferior to the Nikon D700 in AF performance and inferior to both the D700 and Sony A900 in frame rate, without accomplishing what it set out to do.

rc53 Contributing Member • Posts: 569
Very impressive interview

talks to dpr, says nothing at all for public consumption...all's well then...
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Re: Mr. Maeda should be on Dancing With the Stars...

He is obviously dancing, but not very skillfully. It looks like he is constantly stepping on his own toes.

Skip M wrote:

He showed so much skill in dancing around the questions posed to him.
"No complaints" about the AF in the 5D? No room in the body of a 5D
mkII, which is larger than the 50D, for the 50D's AF sensor? His
answers on the G10's subsequent sensor development path took a
limberness that is unexpected, even in an executive of his position.
Sheesh.
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mdg Regular Member • Posts: 355
Re: Canon interview: 5D MkII AF

So Canon
basically is just shooting itself in the foot by making the 5DMKII
inferior to the Nikon D700 in AF performance and inferior to both the
D700 and Sony A900 in frame rate.

Maybe not, with high performance AF in the 5DmkII there wouldn't be much incentive to pay double the price for a 1Ds mkIII to get a built in grip, 2% better viewfinder coverage 1.1 extra ftps etc. etc.

Considering the huge profit margins on the 1D line, a single 1Ds mkIII sale makes up for many lost 5D sales.

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Re: Canon interview: 5D MkII AF

mdg wrote:

So Canon
basically is just shooting itself in the foot by making the 5DMKII
inferior to the Nikon D700 in AF performance and inferior to both the
D700 and Sony A900 in frame rate.

Maybe not, with high performance AF in the 5DmkII there wouldn't be
much incentive to pay double the price for a 1Ds mkIII to get a built
in grip, 2% better viewfinder coverage 1.1 extra ftps etc. etc.

Considering the huge profit margins on the 1D line, a single 1Ds
mkIII sale makes up for many lost 5D sales.

However, what makes up for the completely lost sale? When the one who can't afford 1D or 1Ds anyway won't buy the 5D2 because of "ye olde autofocusse" it features?

I think sale of 5D2 with proAF is welcomed more than no sale at all.

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OP Barnett Contributing Member • Posts: 929
Why can't Canon just say that?

mdg wrote:

Maybe not, with high performance AF in the 5DmkII there wouldn't be
much incentive to pay double the price for a 1Ds mkIII to get a built
in grip, 2% better viewfinder coverage 1.1 extra ftps etc. etc.

Considering the huge profit margins on the 1D line, a single 1Ds
mkIII sale makes up for many lost 5D sales.

You know, if Mr Masaya Maeda would just give me an honest answer and say "we had to cripple the 5D a little to protect the 1Ds market" then I would stop complaining and probably just go buy either a 5D MkII or 1Ds MkIII. But it is all these lies and deception that is what makes me want to sell all my Canon stuff and switch.

Barnett

Nilo Here Regular Member • Posts: 391
Crippling the AF

only makes sense when the consumer has no where else to go. With the Nikon d700, there is a viable route. So instead of keeping Canon users in the family, they will lose them to the d700 because not everyone who wants pro AF wants a brick of a camera.

DotCom Editor Veteran Member • Posts: 7,315
Journalistic wimps

This interview was a puff piece. Something that us actual technology journalists would call a job.

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Not a single question about the disaster of the 1D III. (I can think of eight.)
--Not a single question about how Canon will prevent another disaster.
--Not a single question about Canon's loss of reputation.
--Not a single question about gains by Nikon leapfrogging Canon.

Need I go on? Really quite astonishing.

When journalists interview Microsoft's Bill Gates, Oracle's Larry Ellison, or Apple's Steve Jobs, you can bet we're asking the absolute toughest questions possible. The idea is to challenge them. The questions in this interview with Canon could have been written by Canon's own PR department.

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thw Veteran Member • Posts: 8,089
Precisely. Who is Canon trying to fool? I suspect...

So there you have it. They gave us a lame AF sensor to keep the size
down. I wonder how Nikon managed to get a 51-point, 15 cross-type AF
sensor into the D700...

Canon does not have the technology to scale down their multi-point AF sensors. Even their Digic IV processors are SLOWER than the one year old EXPEED counterpart.

It's funny how a large company can be stumped by small electronics problems.

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Re: Journalistic wimps

DotCom Editor wrote:

This interview was a puff piece. Something that us actual technology
journalists would call a job.

Ever heard the phrase 'no comment?'

This was a meeting - we just pulled as much out of it as they would agree to us publishing. I thought that was clear. In future we'll schedule proper interviews that are officially 'on the record'. Since you're an 'actual' technology journalist may I suggest you do it properly yourself since we've failed so badly.
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